A 'Python like' language

[Peter Hickman]

Well after all this discussion it would appear that a 'Python like'
language has appeared => Prothon. http://www.prothon.org/index.html

Very alpha, sort of like Python (if you consider the indenting is what
makes Python unique) and sort of Ruby in its use of prefixes to define
scoping etc (although there is no reference to this trait being borrowed
from Ruby). It also quotes Self as being an influence.

[David MacQuigg]

On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 16:42:54 +0000, Peter Hickman
<pe***@semantic o.com> wrote:

Well after all this discussion it would appear that a 'Python like'
language has appeared => Prothon. http://www.prothon.org/index.html

Very alpha, sort of like Python (if you consider the indenting is what
makes Python unique) and sort of Ruby in its use of prefixes to define
scoping etc (although there is no reference to this trait being borrowed
from Ruby). It also quotes Self as being an influence.

Very interesting ...

Quoting from Prothon's home page:
'''
Over time capabilities have been added to the core Python language,
.... and Python has became loaded with features, some quite complex.
'''

So all they need is an automatic translation from Python to Prothon,
then they can grab all of Python's libraries, and bypass ten years of
development. :>)

We really need in Python a clear separation of advanced features from
the basic syntax. No more lambda calculus in the basic part. :>)

-- Dave

[John Roth]

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On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 16:42:54 +0000, Peter Hickman
<pe***@semantic o.com> wrote:

Well after all this discussion it would appear that a 'Python like'
language has appeared => Prothon. http://www.prothon.org/index.html

Very alpha, sort of like Python (if you consider the indenting is what
makes Python unique) and sort of Ruby in its use of prefixes to define
scoping etc (although there is no reference to this trait being borrowed
from Ruby). It also quotes Self as being an influence.

Very interesting ...

Yes, especially since they didn't learn their lessons about
tab as an indentation character. That means that I can't send
a Prothon program (or snippet from one) using Outlook
Express, which automaticlly strips tabs from the front of
lines, thus destroying the indentation.

An interesting language that has just dropped off of
my radar screen as being unusable in my environment.

John Roth

[Roy Smith]

"John Roth" <ne********@jhr othjr.com> wrote:

Yes, especially since they didn't learn their lessons about
tab as an indentation character. That means that I can't send
a Prothon program (or snippet from one) using Outlook
Express, which automaticlly strips tabs from the front of
lines, thus destroying the indentation.

Are you objecting specifically to the use of the tab character for
indenting, or to the use of white space for statement grouping in
general?

[Valentino Volonghi aka Dialtone]

Il Fri, 26 Mar 2004 13:53:45 -0500, Roy Smith ha scritto:

"John Roth" <ne********@jhr othjr.com> wrote:

Yes, especially since they didn't learn their lessons about tab as an
indentation character. That means that I can't send a Prothon program
(or snippet from one) using Outlook Express, which automaticlly strips
tabs from the front of lines, thus destroying the indentation.

Are you objecting specifically to the use of the tab character for
indenting, or to the use of white space for statement grouping in general?

Just the tab, python coding style says that 4 spaces is the standard for
indentation and you should try to avoid tab (unless for very old projects).
A single space is always a single space while a tab is often managed in obscure
ways...

Anyway GvR just posted on the python-dev saying this:

==
No, I want to reserve the leading dot for attribute assignment to a
special object specified by a 'with' statement, e.g.

with self:
.foo = [1, 2, 3]
.bar(4, .foo)
==

So another feature of this prothon (and a major one) is going to be a python one
too.

--
Valentino Volonghi aka Dialtone
Linux User #310274, Gentoo Proud User
X Python Newsreader developer
http://sourceforge.net/projects/xpn/

[D Martin]

3 solutions:

1. Use spaces instead of tabs. Hit the space bar yourself, or an editor
that replaces tabs with spaces.
2. Include as a .py or text file instead of inline.
3. Get a different email program.

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On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 16:42:54 +0000, Peter Hickman
<pe***@semantic o.com> wrote:

Well after all this discussion it would appear that a 'Python like'
language has appeared => Prothon. http://www.prothon.org/index.html

Very alpha, sort of like Python (if you consider the indenting is what
makes Python unique) and sort of Ruby in its use of prefixes to define
scoping etc (although there is no reference to this trait being borrowedfrom Ruby). It also quotes Self as being an influence.

Very interesting ...

Yes, especially since they didn't learn their lessons about
tab as an indentation character. That means that I can't send
a Prothon program (or snippet from one) using Outlook
Express, which automaticlly strips tabs from the front of
lines, thus destroying the indentation.

An interesting language that has just dropped off of
my radar screen as being unusable in my environment.

John Roth

[Karl A. Krueger]

begin John Roth <ne********@jhr othjr.com> quote:

Yes, especially since they didn't learn their lessons about
tab as an indentation character. That means that I can't send
a Prothon program (or snippet from one) using Outlook
Express, which automaticlly strips tabs from the front of
lines, thus destroying the indentation.

Lumberjack with dull saw should not blame tree.

--
Karl A. Krueger <kk******@examp le.edu>
Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution
Email address is spamtrapped. s/example/whoi/
"Outlook not so good." -- Magic 8-Ball Software Reviews

[DH]

> Anyway GvR just posted on the python-dev saying this:

==
No, I want to reserve the leading dot for attribute assignment to a
special object specified by a 'with' statement, e.g.

with self:
.foo = [1, 2, 3]
.bar(4, .foo)
brilliant!
this is in VB so neither of us can claim to have invented it. :-)
oh wait, this sucks :)
(And "with" was in Pascal 30+ years ago, without the leading dot.)

lemme ask my grandfather for his opinion

[John Roth]

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3 solutions:

1. Use spaces instead of tabs. Hit the space bar yourself, or an editor
that replaces tabs with spaces.
2. Include as a .py or text file instead of inline.
3. Get a different email program.
All of these fail for one simple reason. Let's hit
the chorus, guys:

"We're right, everybody else needs to change..."

The hard fact is, lots of utility programs treat
tabs in wild and wonderful ways, many of which
are not under the control of the user. There's
a reason why the Python standard is spaces, and
why tabs will be eliminated as an option in 3.0.

John Roth
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On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 16:42:54 +0000, Peter Hickman
<pe***@semantic o.com> wrote:

>Well after all this discussion it would appear that a 'Python like'
>language has appeared => Prothon. http://www.prothon.org/index.html
>
>Very alpha, sort of like Python (if you consider the indenting is what >makes Python unique) and sort of Ruby in its use of prefixes to define >scoping etc (although there is no reference to this trait being borrowed >from Ruby). It also quotes Self as being an influence.

Very interesting ...

Yes, especially since they didn't learn their lessons about
tab as an indentation character. That means that I can't send
a Prothon program (or snippet from one) using Outlook
Express, which automaticlly strips tabs from the front of
lines, thus destroying the indentation.

An interesting language that has just dropped off of
my radar screen as being unusable in my environment.

John Roth

[David MacQuigg]

On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 16:42:54 +0000, Peter Hickman
<pe***@semantic o.com> wrote:

Well after all this discussion it would appear that a 'Python like'
language has appeared => Prothon. http://www.prothon.org/index.html

Very alpha, sort of like Python (if you consider the indenting is what
makes Python unique) and sort of Ruby in its use of prefixes to define
scoping etc (although there is no reference to this trait being borrowed
from Ruby). It also quotes Self as being an influence.

What I found most interesting about this language is that it *doesn't
use classes* !! All objects are derived directly from other objects,
some of which are "prototypes ", that is, objects which were designed
to be just templates to produce other objects.

I downloaded the interpreter, and it installed flawlessly on my XP
machine! I ran through the examples from their webpage, and they
worked as shown! As I am generating objects from prototypes, I am
thinking - How can this be so simple? Surely we must need classes for
something. What about static methods? Is all of this just cruft in
Python?

The torture never stops. :>)

-- Dave