indentation

[Gandalf]

every time I switch editor all the script indentation get mixed up,
and python start giving me indentation weird errors.
indentation also hard to follow because it invisible unlike brackets
{ }

is there any solution to this problems?

thank you!

[Bruno Desthuilliers]

Ross Ridge a écrit :

Bruno Desthuilliers <br************ ********@websit eburo.invalidwr ote:

>I can't remember having seen any other "standard" so far.

I've seen various indentation styles used in examples on this newsgroup.

I meant: in a real-life project.

[Ross Ridge]

Bruno Desthuilliers <br************ ********@websit eburo.invalidwr ote:

I can't remember having seen any other "standard" so far.

Ross Ridge a écrit :

I've seen various indentation styles used in examples on this newsgroup.

Bruno Desthuilliers <br************ ********@websit eburo.invalidwr ote:

>I meant: in a real-life project.

So? There's no reason to assume the styles people use on this newsgroup
don't reflect those they use in "real-life" projects.

Ross Ridge

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[Duncan Booth]

Bruno Desthuilliers <br************ ********@websit eburo.invalidwr ote:

Ross Ridge a écrit :

>Bruno Desthuilliers <br************ ********@websit eburo.invalidwr ote:

>>I can't remember having seen any other "standard" so far.

I've seen various indentation styles used in examples on this newsgroup.

I meant: in a real-life project.

When I asked a similar question back in 2006, Sybren Stuvel offered:

Duncan Booth enlightened us with:

Can you point at any significant body of publically visible Python
code which uses tabs exclusively ?

Everything Python at http://www.stuvel.eu/software

Peter Decker came up with:

Dabo. http://dabodev.com

Those were the only two suggestions given for Python projects with tabs as
a coding style. I don't know if the first of these has more than 1
developer, the second lists 7 people as contributors.

So it looks like real-life projects do exist, just not very many or very
large.

[Paul Boddie]

On 20 Okt, 14:24, Duncan Booth <duncan.bo...@i nvalid.invalidw rote:

>
Those were the only two suggestions given for Python projects with tabs as
a coding style. I don't know if the first of these has more than 1
developer, the second lists 7 people as contributors.

So it looks like real-life projects do exist, just not very many or very
large.

I think Webware uses (or used) tabs exclusively, and that was more
than a seven person project once upon a time.

Paul

[Steven D'Aprano]

On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:01:19 +0200, Bruno Desthuilliers wrote:

Steven D'Aprano a écrit :

>On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 19:03:29 +0200, Bruno Desthuilliers wrote:

>>Steven D'Aprano a écrit :

(snip)

You can use tabs, or spaces. If you use spaces, you can choose 4
spaces, or 8, or any number,
By all means, make it 4 spaces - that's the standard.

It's *a* standard. I believe it is the standard for the Python standard
library, but there are other standards.

I can't remember having seen any other "standard" so far.

How about PEP 8? It's not even hidden deep in the bowels of the PEP --
it's almost at the top.
http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/

"For really old code that you don't want to mess up, you can continue to
use 8-space tabs."
Then there's string.expandta bs():

expandtabs(...)
S.expandtabs([tabsize]) -string

Return a copy of S where all tab characters are expanded using spaces.
If tabsize is not given, a tab size of 8 characters is assumed.
Here's Jamie Zawinski:
http://www.jwz.org/doc/tabs-vs-spaces.html

"On defaultly-configured Unix systems, and on ancient dumb terminals and
teletypes, the tradition has been for the TAB character to mean ``move to
the right until the current column is a multiple of 8.'' (As it happens,
this is how Netscape interprets TAB inside <PREas well.) This is also
the default in the two most popular Unix editors, Emacs and vi."
This page is a little old (2002), but it states that the standards for
OpenBSD and Linux (presumably the kernels) are 8 space indents:

http://xarg.net/writing/tabs

Here's a style guide that recommends 2, 3 or 4 space indents:

http://www.cs.bris.ac.uk/Teaching/Re...MS12100/style/
And of course, whenever there's a difference of opinion, we can turn to
the ultimate source of all knowledge: Googlefight! *wink*

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php...GB&word1=tab+8
+spaces&word2=t ab+4+spaces

Nearly 50 million hits for "tab 8 spaces" versus a piddly 762 thousand
hits for "tab 4 spaces".

--
Steven

[Bruno Desthuilliers]

Ross Ridge a écrit :

Bruno Desthuilliers <br************ ********@websit eburo.invalidwr ote:

>I can't remember having seen any other "standard" so far.

Ross Ridge a écrit :

>I've seen various indentation styles used in examples on this newsgroup.

Bruno Desthuilliers <br************ ********@websit eburo.invalidwr ote:

>I meant: in a real-life project.

So? There's no reason to assume the styles people use on this newsgroup
don't reflect those they use in "real-life" projects.

Yes there are. I can give you two:
1/ code editor are usually configured to insert X spaces when hitting
'tab' - which is not necessarily the case for newsreaders. Guess what
happens when someone writes a code snippet directly in his newsreader ?

2/ I sometimes use 2-spaces when posting here to avoid linewraps

!-)

[Bruno Desthuilliers]

Duncan Booth a écrit :

Bruno Desthuilliers <br************ ********@websit eburo.invalidwr ote:

>Ross Ridge a écrit :

>>Bruno Desthuilliers <br************ ********@websit eburo.invalidwr ote:
I can't remember having seen any other "standard" so far.
I've seen various indentation styles used in examples on this newsgroup.

I meant: in a real-life project.

(snip two examples)

So it looks like real-life projects do exist,

Possibly. I just said that *I* didn't remember having seen such a thing.

[Lie Ryan]

On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 07:16:44 -0700, Gandalf wrote:

every time I switch editor all the script indentation get mixed up, and
python start giving me indentation weird errors. indentation also hard
to follow because it invisible unlike brackets { }

is there any solution to this problems?

thank you!

When in Rome, do like the Romans do.
When coding python in general, use four spaces as described in style
guideline (PEP8)
However, when the code you're editing doesn't follow the guideline,
follow the code's guideline.

If the code doesn't have a guideline (e.g. the code liberally mix up tabs
and spaces), make one and enforce it.

[GHUM]

I can't remember having seen any other "standard" so far.

there is this meme flowing around:

Thus spake the Lord: Thou shalt indent with four spaces. No more, no
less.
Four shall be the number of spaces thou shalt indent, and the number
of thy
indenting shall be four. Eight shalt thou not indent, nor either
indent thou
two, excepting that thou then proceed to four. Tabs are right out.
I Allways thought that was some of the interpretations of the ZEN of
Python, so, who can enlighten me of the origin?

Harald

[Terry Reedy]

Ross Ridge wrote:

Bruno Desthuilliers <br************ ********@websit eburo.invalidwr ote:

>I can't remember having seen any other "standard" so far.

Ross Ridge a écrit :

>I've seen various indentation styles used in examples on this newsgroup.

Bruno Desthuilliers <br************ ********@websit eburo.invalidwr ote:

>I meant: in a real-life project.

So? There's no reason to assume the styles people use on this newsgroup
don't reflect those they use in "real-life" projects.

Yes there is. If I type *hypothetical* code for a post, *I* have to
type all the spaces, and I often use 2 per indent level. If I type in
IDLE, *it* adds the spaces (4 per indent) automatically.