iterator clone

[Yosifov Pavel]

Whats is the way to clone "independen t" iterator? I can't use tee(),
because I don't know how many "independen t" iterators I need. copy and
deepcopy doesn't work...

--pavel

[Peter Otten]

Yosifov Pavel wrote:

Whats is the way to clone "independen t" iterator? I can't use tee(),
because I don't know how many "independen t" iterators I need. copy and
deepcopy doesn't work...

There is no general way. For "short" sequences you can store the items in a
list which is also the worst-case behaviour of tee().

What are you trying to do?

Peter

[Yosifov Pavel]

On 13 ÉÀÌ, 14:12, Peter Otten <__pete...@web. dewrote:

Yosifov Pavel wrote:

Whats is the way to clone "independen t" iterator? I can't use tee(),
because I don't know how many "independen t" iterators I need. copy and
deepcopy doesn't work...

There is no general way. For "short" sequences you can store the items ina
list which is also the worst-case behaviour of tee().

What are you trying to do?

Peter

I try to generate iterators (iterator of iterators). Peter, you are
right! Thank you. For example, it's possible to use something like
this:

def cloneiter( it ):
"""return (clonable,clone )"""
return tee(it)

and usage:

clonable,seq1 = cloneiter(seq)

...iter over seq1...
then clone again:

clonable,seq2 = cloneiter(clona ble)

...iter over seq2...

Or in class:

class ReIter:
def __init__( self, it ):
self._it = it
def __iter__( self ):
self._it,ret = tee(self._it)
return ret

and usage:

ri = ReIter(seq)
...iter over ri...
...again iter over ri...
...and again...

But I think (I'm sure!) it's deficiency of Python iterators! They are
not very good...

--Pavel

[Peter Otten]

Yosifov Pavel wrote:

On 13 июл, 14:12, Peter Otten <__pete...@web. dewrote:

>Yosifov Pavel wrote:

Whats is the way to clone "independen t" iterator? I can't use tee(),
because I don't know how many "independen t" iterators I need. copy and
deepcopy doesn't work...

There is no general way. For "short" sequences you can store the items in
a list which is also the worst-case behaviour of tee().

What are you trying to do?

Peter

I try to generate iterators (iterator of iterators). Peter, you are
right! Thank you. For example, it's possible to use something like
this:

def cloneiter( it ):
"""return (clonable,clone )"""
return tee(it)

[snip]

That is too abstract, sorry. What concrete problem are you trying to solve
with your cloned iterators? There might be a way to rearrange your setup in
a way that doesn't need them.

But I think (I'm sure!) it's deficiency of Python iterators! They are
not very good...

Well, I think Python's iterators, especially the generators, are beautiful.
More importantly, I think there is no general way to make iterators
copyable, regardless of the programming language. The problem is that most
of the useful ones depend on external state.

Peter

[Yosifov Pavel]

Well, I think Python's iterators, especially the generators, are beautiful.

More importantly, I think there is no general way to make iterators
copyable, regardless of the programming language. The problem is that most
of the useful ones depend on external state.

Peter

Hmm, but tee() de facto do it (clone iterator) and ignore side-effects
of iterator ("external" state). And tee() create independent
**internal** state of iterator (current position). But **external**
state - is headache of programmer. So, iterator/generator have to be
method for copy itself (the tee() implementation) or be "re-
startable". Why not?

Concrete problem was to generate iterators (iterator of slices). It
was solved with ReIter.

--Best regards,
--pavel

[Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch]

On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:51:19 -0700, Yosifov Pavel wrote:

>Well, I think Python's iterators, especially the generators, are beautiful.
More importantly, I think there is no general way to make iterators
copyable, regardless of the programming language. The problem is that most
of the useful ones depend on external state.

Hmm, but tee() de facto do it (clone iterator) and ignore side-effects
of iterator ("external" state). And tee() create independent
**internal** state of iterator (current position).

`tee()` doesn't copy the iterator or its internal state but just caches
it's results, so you can iterate over them again. That makes only sense
if you expect to use the two iterators in a way they don't get much out of
sync. If your usage pattern is "consume iterator 1 fully, and then
re-iterate with iterator 2" `tee()` has no advantage over building a list
of all results of the original iterator and iterate over that twice.
`tee()` would be building this list anyway.

But **external** state - is headache of programmer. So,
iterator/generator have to be method for copy itself (the tee()
implementation) or be "re- startable". Why not?

Because it's often not possible without generating a list with all
results, and the advantage of a low memory footprint is lost.

Ciao,
Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch

[Yosifov Pavel]

`tee()` doesn't copy the iterator or its internal state but just caches

it's results, so you can iterate over them again. That makes only sense
if you expect to use the two iterators in a way they don't get much out of
sync. If your usage pattern is "consume iterator 1 fully, and then
re-iterate with iterator 2" `tee()` has no advantage over building a list
of all results of the original iterator and iterate over that twice.
`tee()` would be building this list anyway.

It's interesting and a concrete answer. Thanks a lot.

Because it's often not possible without generating a list with all
results, and the advantage of a low memory footprint is lost.

Ciao,
Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch

Seems like "monada". But I think is possible to determine when there
is a bounded external state (side-effects) or not, may be is needed
some new class-protocol for it... or something else. Or another way:
iterators may be re-iterable always, but if programmer need to point
to the extra- (external) state, he has to raise some a special
exception in __iter)) method... OK, it's only fantasies about language
design :-)

--pavel

[bruno.desthuilliers]

On 13 juil, 12:05, Yosifov Pavel <[e-mail] te:
(snip)

def cloneiter( it ):
"""return (clonable,clone )"""
return tee(it)

This might as well be written as

cloneiter = tee

Or yet better, just remove the above code and s/cloneiter/tee/g in the
remaining...

[Kay Schluehr]

On 13 Jul., 08:53, Yosifov Pavel <[e-mail] te:

Whats is the way to clone "independen t" iterator? I can't use tee(),
because I don't know how many "independen t" iterators I need. copy and
deepcopy doesn't work...

--pavel

You can try generator_tools

http://pypi.python.org/pypi/generator_tools/0.3.3

[Yosifov Pavel]

On 14 ÉÀÌ, 23:36, "bruno.desthuil [e-mail] "
<bruno.desthuil [e-mail] wrote:

On 13 juil, 12:05, Yosifov Pavel <[e-mail] te:
(snip)

defcloneiter( it ):
"""return (clonable,clone )"""
return tee(it)

This might as well be written as

cloneiter = tee

Or yet better, just remove the above code and s/cloneiter/tee/g in the
remaining...

Yes, sure. It was only for illustration. BUT: Marc Rintsch is right:
cloning of iterators in this manner is bad, more good is to use one,
single list(my_iter) instead of (see
http://aquagnu.blogspot.com/2008/07/...n-python.html).

Thanks to all!

--pavel