I'm baffled with a situation that involves:
1) an instance of some class that defines __del__,
2) a thread which is created, started and referenced by that instance,
and
3) a weakref proxy to the instance that is passed to the thread
instead of 'self', to prevent a cyclic reference.
This probably sounds like gibberish so here's a simplified example:
=============== =============== ============
import time
import weakref
import threading
num_main = num_other = 0
main_thread = threading.curre ntThread()
class Mystery(object) :
def __init__(self):
proxy = weakref.proxy(s elf)
self._thread = threading.Threa d(target=target , args=(proxy,))
self._thread.st art()
def __del__(self):
global num_main, num_other
if threading.curre ntThread() is main_thread:
num_main += 1
else:
num_other += 1
def sleep(self, t):
time.sleep(t)
def target(proxy):
try: proxy.sleep(0.0 1)
except weakref.Referen ceError: pass
if __name__ == '__main__':
for i in xrange(1000):
Mystery()
time.sleep(0.1)
print '%d __del__ from main thread' % num_main
print '%d __del__ from other threads' % num_other
=============== =============== ============
When I run it, I get around 950 __del__ from the main thread and the
rest from non-main threads. I discovered this accidentally when I
noticed some ignored AssertionErrors caused by a __del__ that was
doing "self._thread.j oin()", assuming that the current thread is not
self._thread, but as it turns out that's not always the case.
So what is happening here for these ~50 minority cases ? Is __del__
invoked through the proxy ?
George 6 2859
On Jun 10, 8:15 pm, George Sakkis <george.sak...@ gmail.comwrote:
I'm baffled with a situation that involves:
1) an instance of some class that defines __del__,
2) a thread which is created, started and referenced by that instance,
and
3) a weakref proxy to the instance that is passed to the thread
instead of 'self', to prevent a cyclic reference.
This probably sounds like gibberish so here's a simplified example:
=============== =============== ============
import time
import weakref
import threading
num_main = num_other = 0
main_thread = threading.curre ntThread()
class Mystery(object) :
def __init__(self):
proxy = weakref.proxy(s elf)
self._thread = threading.Threa d(target=target , args=(proxy,))
self._thread.st art()
def __del__(self):
global num_main, num_other
if threading.curre ntThread() is main_thread:
num_main += 1
else:
num_other += 1
def sleep(self, t):
time.sleep(t)
def target(proxy):
try: proxy.sleep(0.0 1)
except weakref.Referen ceError: pass
if __name__ == '__main__':
for i in xrange(1000):
Mystery()
time.sleep(0.1)
print '%d __del__ from main thread' % num_main
print '%d __del__ from other threads' % num_other
=============== =============== ============
When I run it, I get around 950 __del__ from the main thread and the
rest from non-main threads. I discovered this accidentally when I
noticed some ignored AssertionErrors caused by a __del__ that was
doing "self._thread.j oin()", assuming that the current thread is not
self._thread, but as it turns out that's not always the case.
So what is happening here for these ~50 minority cases ? Is __del__
invoked through the proxy ?
The trick here is that calling proxy.sleep(0.0 1) first gets a strong
reference to the Mystery instance, then holds that strong reference
until it returns.
If the child thread gets the GIL before __init__ returns it will enter
Mystery.sleep, then the main thread will return from Mystery.__init_ _
and release its strong reference, followed by the child thread
returning from Mystery.sleep, releasing its strong reference, and (as
it just released the last strong reference) calling Mystery.__del__ .
If the main thread returns from __init__ before the child thread gets
the GIL, it will release the only strong reference to the Mystery
instance, causing it to clear the weakref proxy and call __del__
before the child thread ever gets a chance. If you added counters to
the target function you should see them match the counters of the
__del__ function.
Incidentally, += 1 isn't atomic in Python. It is possible for updates
to be missed.
On Jun 11, 1:40 am, Rhamphoryncus <rha...@gmail.c omwrote:
On Jun 10, 8:15 pm, George Sakkis <george.sak...@ gmail.comwrote:
I'm baffled with a situation that involves:
1) an instance of some class that defines __del__,
2) a thread which is created, started and referenced by that instance,
and
3) a weakref proxy to the instance that is passed to the thread
instead of 'self', to prevent a cyclic reference.
This probably sounds like gibberish so here's a simplified example:
=============== =============== ============
import time
import weakref
import threading
num_main = num_other = 0
main_thread = threading.curre ntThread()
class Mystery(object) :
def __init__(self):
proxy = weakref.proxy(s elf)
self._thread = threading.Threa d(target=target , args=(proxy,))
self._thread.st art()
def __del__(self):
global num_main, num_other
if threading.curre ntThread() is main_thread:
num_main += 1
else:
num_other += 1
def sleep(self, t):
time.sleep(t)
def target(proxy):
try: proxy.sleep(0.0 1)
except weakref.Referen ceError: pass
if __name__ == '__main__':
for i in xrange(1000):
Mystery()
time.sleep(0.1)
print '%d __del__ from main thread' % num_main
print '%d __del__ from other threads' % num_other
=============== =============== ============
When I run it, I get around 950 __del__ from the main thread and the
rest from non-main threads. I discovered this accidentally when I
noticed some ignored AssertionErrors caused by a __del__ that was
doing "self._thread.j oin()", assuming that the current thread is not
self._thread, but as it turns out that's not always the case.
So what is happening here for these ~50 minority cases ? Is __del__
invoked through the proxy ?
The trick here is that calling proxy.sleep(0.0 1) first gets a strong
reference to the Mystery instance, then holds that strong reference
until it returns.
Ah, that was the missing part; I thought that anything accessed
through a proxy didn't create a strong reference. The good thing is
that it seems you can get a proxy to a bounded method and then call it
without creating a strong reference to 'self':
num_main = num_other = 0
main_thread = threading.curre ntThread()
class MysterySolved(o bject):
def __init__(self):
sleep = weakref.proxy(s elf.sleep)
self._thread = threading.Threa d(target=target , args=(sleep,))
self._thread.st art()
def __del__(self):
global num_main, num_other
if threading.curre ntThread() is main_thread:
num_main += 1
else:
num_other += 1
def sleep(self, t):
time.sleep(t)
def target(sleep):
try: sleep(0.01)
except weakref.Referen ceError: pass
if __name__ == '__main__':
for i in xrange(1000):
MysterySolved()
time.sleep(.1)
print '%d __del__ from main thread' % num_main
print '%d __del__ from other threads' % num_other
=============== =============== ============
Output:
1000 __del__ from main thread
0 __del__ from other threads
Thanks a lot, I learned something new :)
George
On Jun 11, 10:43 am, George Sakkis <george.sak...@ gmail.comwrote:
On Jun 11, 1:40 am, Rhamphoryncus <rha...@gmail.c omwrote:
The trick here is that calling proxy.sleep(0.0 1) first gets a strong
reference to the Mystery instance, then holds that strong reference
until it returns.
Ah, that was the missing part; I thought that anything accessed
through a proxy didn't create a strong reference. The good thing is
that it seems you can get a proxy to a bounded method and then call it
without creating a strong reference to 'self':
That's not right. Of course a bound method has a strong reference to
self, otherwise you'd never be able to call it. There must be
something else going on here. Try using sys.setcheckint erval(1) to
make threads switch more often.
>
num_main = num_other = 0
main_thread = threading.curre ntThread()
class MysterySolved(o bject):
def __init__(self):
sleep = weakref.proxy(s elf.sleep)
self._thread = threading.Threa d(target=target , args=(sleep,))
self._thread.st art()
def __del__(self):
global num_main, num_other
if threading.curre ntThread() is main_thread:
num_main += 1
else:
num_other += 1
def sleep(self, t):
time.sleep(t)
def target(sleep):
try: sleep(0.01)
except weakref.Referen ceError: pass
if __name__ == '__main__':
for i in xrange(1000):
MysterySolved()
time.sleep(.1)
print '%d __del__ from main thread' % num_main
print '%d __del__ from other threads' % num_other
=============== =============== ============
Output:
1000 __del__ from main thread
0 __del__ from other threads
Thanks a lot, I learned something new :)
George
On Jun 11, 2:01 pm, Rhamphoryncus <rha...@gmail.c omwrote:
On Jun 11, 10:43 am, George Sakkis <george.sak...@ gmail.comwrote:
On Jun 11, 1:40 am, Rhamphoryncus <rha...@gmail.c omwrote:
The trick here is that calling proxy.sleep(0.0 1) first gets a strong
reference to the Mystery instance, then holds that strong reference
until it returns.
Ah, that was the missing part; I thought that anything accessed
through a proxy didn't create a strong reference. The good thing is
that it seems you can get a proxy to a bounded method and then call it
without creating a strong reference to 'self':
That's not right. Of course a bound method has a strong reference to
self, otherwise you'd never be able to call it. There must be
something else going on here. Try using sys.setcheckint erval(1) to
make threads switch more often.
I tried that and it still works; all objects die at the main thread.
Any other idea to break it ?
George
On Jun 11, 2:15 pm, George Sakkis <george.sak...@ gmail.comwrote:
On Jun 11, 2:01 pm, Rhamphoryncus <rha...@gmail.c omwrote:
On Jun 11, 10:43 am, George Sakkis <george.sak...@ gmail.comwrote:
On Jun 11, 1:40 am, Rhamphoryncus <rha...@gmail.c omwrote:
The trick here is that calling proxy.sleep(0.0 1) first gets a strong
reference to the Mystery instance, then holds that strong reference
until it returns.
Ah, that was the missing part; I thought that anything accessed
through a proxy didn't create a strong reference. The good thing is
that it seems you can get a proxy to a bounded method and then call it
without creating a strong reference to 'self':
That's not right. Of course a bound method has a strong reference to
self, otherwise you'd never be able to call it. There must be
something else going on here. Try using sys.setcheckint erval(1) to
make threads switch more often.
I tried that and it still works; all objects die at the main thread.
Any other idea to break it ?
Nothing comes to mind.
However, none of this is guaranteed anyway, so you can't rely on it.
__del__ might be called by any thread at any point (even when you're
holding a lock, updating a datastructure.)
On Jun 11, 8:37*pm, Rhamphoryncus <rha...@gmail.c omwrote:
On Jun 11, 2:15 pm, George Sakkis <george.sak...@ gmail.comwrote:
On Jun 11, 2:01 pm, Rhamphoryncus <rha...@gmail.c omwrote:
On Jun 11, 10:43 am, George Sakkis <george.sak...@ gmail.comwrote:
On Jun 11, 1:40 am, Rhamphoryncus <rha...@gmail.c omwrote:
The trick here is that calling proxy.sleep(0.0 1) first gets a strong
reference to the Mystery instance, then holds that strong reference
until it returns.
Ah, that was the missing part; I thought that anything accessed
through a proxy didn't create a strong reference. The good thing is
that it seems you can get a proxy to a bounded method and then call it
without creating a strong reference to 'self':
That's not right. *Of course a bound method has a strong reference to
self, otherwise you'd never be able to call it. *There must be
something else going on here. *Try using sys.setcheckint erval(1) to
make threads switch more often.
I tried that and it still works; all objects die at the main thread.
Any other idea to break it ?
Nothing comes to mind.
However, none of this is guaranteed anyway, so you can't rely on it.
__del__ might be called by any thread at any point (even when you're
holding a lock, updating a datastructure.)
Ok, you scared me enough to cut the link to the thread altogether,
avoiding the cyclic reference and the weakref proxy. The original
intent for keeping a reference to the thread was to be able to join()
it later before some cleanup takes place. I have since found a less
spooky way to synchronize them but regardless, I'd be interested for
an explanation of what's really going on in the posted snippets.
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