PHP + TinyButStrong Python replacement

[pistacchio]

hi! i'm a php user and a python programmer. i'd love to use python for
my server side needs but i can't seem to find what i'm looking for. for
most of my php work i use mysql and tinyButStrong
(http://www.tinybutstrong.com) which is a very lightweight template
engine that offers powerful functionalities . you insert TBS tags in web
pages like:

<div align="center" class="title-page"[var.x] </div>

and it replaces [var.x] with the value of global variable x. it also
makes blocks (and nested blocks) easy to implement:

<p class="text-example2"[blk1;block=begi n] [blk1.val]<br>
[blk1;block=end] </p>

in the previous code it cycles throu all the values of the array blk1.

it does many more things, like htlm escaping, url and js encoding etc,
conditional displaying etc, but it is not more confusing that inserting
pieces of code into the HTML (aka: littering the code and kissing
goodbye to the code/presentation separation). it comes in the form of a
single file with a single class that you can easily include in the code
and go.

now, i've searched the net and it seems full of python-based frameworks
for doing server side scripting and templating, but none that suits my
needs.

1. i like writing code and i like control. i mean, open up the
simplest text editor and write in it. i don't want something that is
command-line driven or that writes code for me like ">>>
makePagesFromTh isDatabase()".
2. i want something very lightweight. i don't want dozen of options,
pre-made blogging parts ecc. i just need a good non invasive template
engine and the basic functions for server side scripting, like session
managing, request parsing, functions to manipulate html code (encodings etc)
3. i don't want to beg my hosting provider to install the libraries.
a simple include file should do the work.
4. object oriented programming is not required (better: i prefer
plain old procedural programming).

any help? thanks in advance

[pistacchio]

br************* ****@gmail.com ha scritto:

On 7 mai, 16:17, pistacchio <pistacc...@gma il.comwrote:

>George Sakkis ha scritto:

(snip)

>>What does it matter if it's a single file or a dozen under a package ?
"Installation " for pure Python packages can be as simple as copying
the package under any directory in your PYTHONPATH.

well, it doesn't matter if it's a single file or a package, but it
_does_ matter if you have to put them under the path where python is
installed because, in a typical shared web hosting environment (such the
one that i use) you don't have access to system directories.

You *never* have to install anything in the default path - install
your python libs wherever you want, and just make sure this wherever
is in your python path (usually via the PYTHONPATH environment
variable).

again, in a shared environment, you don't have access to environment
variables. all you can do is copy files in your own little directory,
and that's it. this directory is never something like /share/python, but
something like /home/averagejoe. and /home/averagejoe is not usually in
the PYTHONPATH

>>Check out Mako (http://www.makotemplates.org/), it's pretty powerful
and fast.

woudl you suggest mako over cheetah?

As far as I'm concerned, I would. Now if you're looking for a
somewhat barebone MVC framework, you may want to have a look at
web.py.

i've tried mako. sees to work fine for me, both for its potential and
for its "installati on" method. in fact i just copied it under my own
directory

/home/averagejoe
test.py
/mako
mako stuff

and the following testcase worked well:

from mako.template import Template
mytemplate = Template("hello world!")
print mytemplate.rend er()

can i do the same with web.py? mind that i work under an apache
environment (mod_python).

now, back to mako. can you provide an example of blocks and nested
blocks in mako? the documentation doesn't seem to be too clear in this
reguard.

for example, if i want to show a table with a list of restaurants
(gathered from a db query), i can construct a template like this:

<table>
% for rest in restaurants:
<tr>${rest}<t r>
% endfor
</table>

but what if if each restaurant has a list of dishes (pasta, pizza, meat,
pie) and some (or each) dish has the ingrediets? is it just like
embedding pure python into the template ( like $(rest['dish']) and
$rest['dish']['ingredient']) )?

thanks for you interest

[Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven]

-On [20080507 15:06], Mike Driscoll (ky******@gmail .com) wrote:

>http://genshi.edgewall.org/
http://www.kid-templating.org/
http://www.cheetahtemplate.org/
http://turbogears.org/

Add the following to that list:

http://jinja.pocoo.org/
http://www.makotemplates.org/

I think Jinja and Mako are currently two of the fastest around.

--
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[Bruno Desthuilliers]

pistacchio a écrit :

br************* ****@gmail.com ha scritto:

>On 7 mai, 16:17, pistacchio <pistacc...@gma il.comwrote:

>>George Sakkis ha scritto:

(snip)

>>>What does it matter if it's a single file or a dozen under a package ?
"Installatio n" for pure Python packages can be as simple as copying
the package under any directory in your PYTHONPATH.
well, it doesn't matter if it's a single file or a package, but it
_does_ matter if you have to put them under the path where python is
installed because, in a typical shared web hosting environment (such the
one that i use) you don't have access to system directories.

You *never* have to install anything in the default path - install
your python libs wherever you want, and just make sure this wherever
is in your python path (usually via the PYTHONPATH environment
variable).

again, in a shared environment, you don't have access to environment
variables.

Depends on the "shared environment". But even if you can't set
PYTHONPATH, you can always import sys and append (or prepend) to
sys.path before doing any other import.

all you can do is copy files in your own little directory,
and that's it. this directory is never something like /share/python, but
something like /home/averagejoe. and /home/averagejoe is not usually in
the PYTHONPATH

>>>Check out Mako (http://www.makotemplates.org/), it's pretty powerful
and fast.
woudl you suggest mako over cheetah?

>As far as I'm concerned, I would. Now if you're looking for a
somewhat barebone MVC framework, you may want to have a look at
web.py.

i've tried mako. sees to work fine for me, both for its potential and
for its "installati on" method. in fact i just copied it under my own
directory

/home/averagejoe
test.py
/mako
mako stuff

and the following testcase worked well:

from mako.template import Template
mytemplate = Template("hello world!")
print mytemplate.rend er()

can i do the same with web.py?

Can't tell, never used it. But how to deploy it is very certainly
documented on the project's page.

mind that i work under an apache
environment (mod_python).

mod_python ? Fine. And, if I may ask, did you actually took time to read
the FineManual(tm) ?-)

http://www.modpython.org/live/mod_py...-other-pp.html

now, back to mako. can you provide an example of blocks and nested
blocks in mako? the documentation doesn't seem to be too clear in this
reguard.

for example, if i want to show a table with a list of restaurants
(gathered from a db query), i can construct a template like this:

<table>
% for rest in restaurants:
<tr>${rest}<t r>
% endfor
</table>

but what if if each restaurant has a list of dishes (pasta, pizza, meat,
pie)

Depends... What kind of object is 'rest' ? How is this list named ?

and some (or each) dish has the ingrediets?

Same question.

is it just like
embedding pure python into the template ( like $(rest['dish']) and
$rest['dish']['ingredient']) )?

What goes inside ${} are ordinary Python expressions, yes.