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Python 3.0 migration plans?

I wondered if a straw poll could get some idea of readers' thoughts
about when they will be migrating to 3.0 on, so I used the new widget on
Blogger to add a poll for that.

I'd appreciate if if you would go to

http://holdenweb.blogspot.com/

and register your vote on your intended migration timescale.

Thanks!
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Sep 27 '07 #1
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Steve Holden wrote:
I wondered if a straw poll could get some idea of readers' thoughts
about when they will be migrating to 3.0 on, so I used the new widget on
Blogger to add a poll for that.

I'd appreciate if if you would go to

http://holdenweb.blogspot.com/

and register your vote on your intended migration timescale.
I'll use the "no plans" response for my actual "no simple answer" real
response.
Richard

Sep 28 '07 #2
Steve Holden wrote:
I wondered if a straw poll could get some idea of readers' thoughts
about when they will be migrating to 3.0 on, so I used the new widget on
Blogger to add a poll for that.

I'd appreciate if if you would go to

http://holdenweb.blogspot.com/

and register your vote on your intended migration timescale.

Thanks!
I'm going to abstain voting until 'public beta + about 1 year' is a choice.

James
Sep 28 '07 #3
James Stroud wrote:
Steve Holden wrote:
>I wondered if a straw poll could get some idea of readers' thoughts
about when they will be migrating to 3.0 on, so I used the new widget on
Blogger to add a poll for that.

I'd appreciate if if you would go to

http://holdenweb.blogspot.com/

and register your vote on your intended migration timescale.

Thanks!

I'm going to abstain voting until 'public beta + about 1 year' is a choice.
Richard Jones wrote:
I'll use the "no plans" response for my actual "no simple answer" real
response.

So what we need is a poll on what the questions should be. I *love* c.l.py.

regards
Steve
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Sep 28 '07 #4
It seems that Python 3 is more significant for what it removes than
what it adds.

What are the additions that people find the most compelling?

Sep 28 '07 #5
Steve Holden <st***@holdenwe b.comwrites:
So what we need is a poll on what the questions should be. I *love* c.l.py.
One of the offered answers to the current question should be "never".
That is, I'm hoping to skip 3.0 and switch directly to PyPy.
Sep 28 '07 #6
In article <ma************ *************** ***********@pyt hon.org>,
Steve Holden <st***@holdenwe b.comwrote:
>
I wondered if a straw poll could get some idea of readers' thoughts
about when they will be migrating to 3.0 on, so I used the new widget on
Blogger to add a poll for that.

I'd appreciate if if you would go to

http://holdenweb.blogspot.com/

and register your vote on your intended migration timescale.
Does this require JavaScript? If yes, count me as another "no" vote on
your survey. ;-)
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Sep 28 '07 #7
TheFlyingDutchm an <zz******@aol.c omwrites:
It seems that Python 3 is more significant for what it removes than
what it adds.
That's certainly the focus of an explicitly backward-incompatible
upgrade, yes.
What are the additions that people find the most compelling?
Most of the additions that will go into 2.6 are doing so because
they'll appear in 3.0. That's a benefit: anything from 3.0 that makes
sense to add to 2.6 will go in; the rest of 3.0's changes are mostly
backwards-incompatible (i.e. removals and conflicting changes).

I find the following compelling:

- 'str' becomes Unicode type, 'int' becomes unified-int-and-long
type <URL:http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3100/>

- Consistent, unambiguous integer literal syntax
<URL:http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3127/and the 'bytes'
type for non-text strings
<URL:http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3112/>

- Default source encoding is UTF-8
<URL:http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3120/and support for
non-ASCII identifiers
<URL:http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3131/>

- Reorganisation of the standard library for consistency
<URL:http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3108/>

- Renaming raw_input to input, so 'input()' does the obvious thing
<URL:http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3111/>

- Clarification of 'raise' and 'except' semantics
<URL:http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3109/>,
<URL:http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3110/>

- Abstract Base Classes
<URL:http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3119/>

- everything that's being added to 2.6 :-)

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Ben Finney
Sep 28 '07 #8
Paul Rubin wrote:
Steve Holden <st***@holdenwe b.comwrites:
>So what we need is a poll on what the questions should be. I *love* c.l.py.

One of the offered answers to the current question should be "never".
That is, I'm hoping to skip 3.0 and switch directly to PyPy.
Well, "No current plans" certainly includes "never", even though it
might not be quite assertive enough for your tastes.

I hope that PyPy will eventually become good enough to overtake CPython
as the preferred implementation - it certainly seems to have much
greater optimization possibilities than CPython.

regards
Steve
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Holden Web LLC/Ltd http://www.holdenweb.com
Skype: holdenweb http://del.icio.us/steve.holden

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Sep 28 '07 #9
>
- Abstract Base Classes
<URL:http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3119/>
I like how someone here characterized decorators - those silly @
things. They remind me of Perl. Not adding keywords for abstract and
static is like Perl not adding a keyword for class. But I know all
such additions are vigorously defended by the most ardent users of
each language.

Sep 28 '07 #10

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