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Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites

Hello list,

our team is going to rewrite our existing web-site, which has a lot of
dynamic content and was quickly prototyped some time ago.

Today, as we get better idea of what we need, we're going to re-write
everything from scratch. Python is an obvious candidate for our team:
everybody knows it, everybody likes it, it has *real* objects, nice
clean syntax etc.

Our main requirement for tools we're going to use is rock-solid
stability. As one of our team-members puts it, "We want to use tools
that are stable, has many developer-years and thousands of user-years
behind them, and that we shouldn't worry about their _versions_." The
main reason for that is that we want to debug our own bugs, but not
the bugs in our tools.

Our problem is - we yet have to find any example of high-traffic,
scalable web-site written entirely in Python. We know that YouTube is
a suspect, but we don't know what specific python web solution was
used there.

TurboGears, Django and Pylons are all nice, and provides rich features
- probably too many for us - but, as far as we understand, they don't
satisfy the stability requirement - Pylons and Django hasn't even
reached 1.0 version yet. And their provide too thick layer - we want
something 'closer to metal', probably similar to web.py -
unfortunately, web.py doesn't satisfy the stability requirement
either, or so it seems.

So the question is: what is a solid way to serve dynamic web pages in
python? Our initial though was something like python + mod_python +
Apache, but we're told that mod_python is 'scary and doesn't work very
well'.

And although http://www.python.org/about/quotes/ lists many big names
and wonderful examples, be want more details. E.g. our understanding
is that Google uses python mostly for internal web-sites, and
performance is far from perfect their. YouTube is an interesting
example - anybody knows more details about that?

Your suggestions and comments are highly welcome!

Best Regards,
Victor.

May 16 '07
34 4376
Ivan Tikhonov a écrit :
Use php. I am lead programmer/maintainer of big website with a lot of
interactive stuff in user's backoffice and with a lot of interraction
to our non-web apps.

PHP is a crap, but programming for web in python is a pain in the ass.
Strange enough, MVHO on this is that PHP is crap *and* that programming
"for the web" with it is a king-size PITA, *specially* compared to Python.
And php programmers are cheaper.
"cheaper", yes. On an hourly basis. TCO is another problem...
Especialy avoid mod_python.
Unless you have to deeply integrate with (and are willing to be forever
tied to) Apache, I totally agree on this last one.
May 21 '07 #31
John Nagle a écrit :
(snip)
YouTube's home page is PHP. Try "www.youtube.co m/index.php".
That works, while the obvious alternatives don't.
If you look at the page HTML, you'll see things like

<a href="/login?next=/index.php"
onclick="_hbLin k('LogIn','Util ityLinks');">Lo g In</a>

So there's definitely PHP inside YouTube.
What about learning more on web servers configuration ?
http://zope.alostnet.eu/index.php

"definitive ly php", hu ?
May 21 '07 #32
Please have a look at Plone and Zope.

"During the month of January 2006, we've had approx. 167 million hits"
plone.org
On 2007-05-16 23:04:17 +0200, Victor Kryukov <vi************ @gmail.comsaid:
Hello list,

our team is going to rewrite our existing web-site, which has a lot of
dynamic content and was quickly prototyped some time ago.

Today, as we get better idea of what we need, we're going to re-write
everything from scratch. Python is an obvious candidate for our team:
everybody knows it, everybody likes it, it has *real* objects, nice
clean syntax etc.

Our main requirement for tools we're going to use is rock-solid
stability. As one of our team-members puts it, "We want to use tools
that are stable, has many developer-years and thousands of user-years
behind them, and that we shouldn't worry about their _versions_." The
main reason for that is that we want to debug our own bugs, but not
the bugs in our tools.

Our problem is - we yet have to find any example of high-traffic,
scalable web-site written entirely in Python. We know that YouTube is
a suspect, but we don't know what specific python web solution was
used there.

TurboGears, Django and Pylons are all nice, and provides rich features
- probably too many for us - but, as far as we understand, they don't
satisfy the stability requirement - Pylons and Django hasn't even
reached 1.0 version yet. And their provide too thick layer - we want
something 'closer to metal', probably similar to web.py -
unfortunately, web.py doesn't satisfy the stability requirement
either, or so it seems.

So the question is: what is a solid way to serve dynamic web pages in
python? Our initial though was something like python + mod_python +
Apache, but we're told that mod_python is 'scary and doesn't work very
well'.

And although http://www.python.org/about/quotes/ lists many big names
and wonderful examples, be want more details. E.g. our understanding
is that Google uses python mostly for internal web-sites, and
performance is far from perfect their. YouTube is an interesting
example - anybody knows more details about that?

Your suggestions and comments are highly welcome!

Best Regards,
Victor.

--
João Santos
ma**@thegoldena ura.com
www.thegoldenaura.com
May 21 '07 #33
John Nagle wrote:
Sure they do. I have a complex web site, "http://www.downside.co m",
that's implemented with Perl, Apache, and MySQL. It automatically reads
SEC
filings and parses them to produce financial analyses. It's been
running for seven years, and hasn't been modified in five, except [..]
Well, how can you be then sure that you don't have any security hole in
there?

Ciao, Michael.
May 22 '07 #34
Hello list,

thanks a lot to everybody for their suggestions. We're yet to make our
final decision, and the information you've provided is really helpful.

Best,
Victor.

May 25 '07 #35

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