I was shocked to see the personal insults hurled in this thread: http://groups.google.com/group/comp....758cb9545cad4b
I have been very pleased with Python developers regardless of skill
levels in both the IRC channel as well as here - no hot attitudes. No
holier than thou put ons. I was just sinking into the comradery and
cooperative nature of this new powerful community when I saw that
thread.
Well, I hope that the fact that 99% of the Python community, from Guido
von Rossum on down continues to exemplify how a language can be good
and the people can be friendly and that the other 1% get inspired by
their positivity and switch as well...
Sep 25 '06
20  1400 
Steve Holden wrote:
Perhaps so, but none the less comp.lang.perl has a demonstrable history
of newbie-flaming. Don't know what it's like now, as it's years since I
read that group, but they used to just love the smell of crisply-toasted
newbie in the morning ;-)
C'mon! No reason why a newbie should be confused by a hyper-fatugly,
err, "hyper-fatarrow" every now and then [1]! What, are newbies totally
dense or something?! ;))
[1] http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl....language/25946
Regards,
Jordan
MonkeeSage wrote:
Steve Holden wrote:
>>Perhaps so, but none the less comp.lang.perl has a demonstrable history
of newbie-flaming. Don't know what it's like now, as it's years since I
read that group, but they used to just love the smell of crisply-toasted
newbie in the morning ;-)
C'mon! No reason why a newbie should be confused by a hyper-fatugly,
err, "hyper-fatarrow" every now and then [1]! What, are newbies totally
dense or something?! ;))
[1] http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl....language/25946
My God, Perl 6 is going to be even less comprehensible that Perl 5,
which was at least usable. Is »=>« really a Perl6 operator? That's too
funny!
hoping-the-chevrons-were-emphasis-on-ly y'rs - steve
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I am also shocked by Fredrick Lundh's impoliteness and think he makes
this group less friendly than I expected when I read this on http://www.python.org/community/lists/:
"Rudeness and personal attacks, even in reaction to blatant flamebait,
are strongly frowned upon. People may strongly disagree on an issue,
but usually discussion remains civil"
This should apply to anyone, from the newbie to the most valuable
contributor to Python
Regards,
Pierre
On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 09:10:14 +0100,
Steve Holden <st***@holdenwe b.comwrote:
My God, Perl 6 is going to be even less comprehensible that Perl 5,
which was at least usable. Is »=>« really a Perl6 operator? That's too
funny!
While we poor Python people have to cope with writing:
d = dict(zip(k, v))
instead of Perl 6's
%h = @k >>=><< @v;
But at least the Perl solution is 4 non-whitespace characters
shorter... unless you don't write the source in Unicode, in which you
have to put >and << instead of the chevrons -- that makes it only 2
characters shorter.
hoping-the-chevrons-were-emphasis-on-ly y'rs - steve
Nope; they turn the operator into a hyper operator that iterates over
its operands. See
<http://dev.perl.org/perl6/doc/design/syn/S03.html#___top >. Perl 6:
the PL/1 of scripting languages.
--amk
metaperl wrote:
I was shocked to see the personal insults hurled in this thread:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp....758cb9545cad4b
I have been very pleased with Python developers regardless of skill
levels in both the IRC channel as well as here - no hot attitudes. No
holier than thou put ons. I was just sinking into the comradery and
cooperative nature of this new powerful community when I saw that
thread.
Well, I hope that the fact that 99% of the Python community, from Guido
von Rossum on down continues to exemplify how a language can be good
and the people can be friendly and that the other 1% get inspired by
their positivity and switch as well...
I've reviewed a little the thread.
I've not evaluated the possible use-cases of "cgi.escape ".
The question is always: who start's the use of insults?
I just noticed one thing:
The OP wrote (refering to an implementationd detail, which btw. has
possible resulted after many days of thought/trials in context of
several use-cases):
"This seems to me to be dumb" http://groups.google.com/group/comp....758cb9545cad4b
which could be interpreted as: "the implementor seems to be dumb"
So, personally I think the implementor was free to reply "bla bla bla,
you idiot".
This was not an insult.
Just a gentle gesture (using similar wording as the OP).
..
-- http://lazaridis.com
Steve Holden wrote:
Istvan Albert wrote:
[...]
ps. as for the title of this post, it is ironic that you are insulting
another community while asking for no insults
Perhaps so, but none the less comp.lang.perl has a demonstrable history
of newbie-flaming. Don't know what it's like now, as it's years since I
read that group, but they used to just love the smell of crisply-toasted
newbie in the morning ;-)
Funny you mention that...there was a Perl talk recently and one of the
slides said "Stop being fu***ing mean to newbies!". I ask the author of
the talk and he said he didn't actually have to read the slide but it
was effective non-the-less.
Robert
Thus spoke A.M. Kuchling (on 2006-09-30 19:26):
On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 09:10:14 +0100,
Steve Holden <st***@holdenwe b.comwrote:
>My God, Perl 6 is going to be even less comprehensible that Perl 5,
which was at least usable. Is »=>« really a Perl6 operator? That's too
funny!
While we poor Python people have to cope with writing:
d = dict(zip(k, v))
instead of Perl 6's
%h = @k >>=><< @v;
But at least the Perl solution is 4 non-whitespace characters shorter...
Didn't I get the joke?
The Perl version would be a hash slice initialization on %dict:
@dict{ @k } = @v;
Thats it. What is the fuzz all about? I consider 'hyper fatarrow'
(you did't the »=>« get right) just a joke of LW
(he does so sometimes ;-).
Regards
Mirco
Mirco Wahab wrote:
Thus spoke A.M. Kuchling (on 2006-09-30 19:26):
On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 09:10:14 +0100,
Steve Holden <st***@holdenwe b.comwrote:
Thats it. What is the fuzz all about? I consider 'hyper fatarrow'
(you did't the »=>« get right) just a joke of LW
(he does so sometimes ;-).
Don't think so, I followed the thread along a little, and it seems to
be correct. In addition, they seem to have the ¥ character as the Perl
6 equivalent of zip(). Those crazy guys. Actually this post cracked me
up (Subject: My first functional perl6 program): http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl....language/25953
Either the poster has posted a binary file, or the Perl 6 syntax is
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