Xah's Edu Corner: Criticism vs Constructive Criticism

[Xah Lee]

Criticism versus Constructive Criticism

Xah Lee, 2003-01

A lot intelligent people are rather confused about criticism,
especially in our “free-speech� free-for-all internet age. When
they say “constructive criticisms are welcome� they mostly mean
“bitching and complaints not welcome�. Rarely do people actually
mean that “criticism without suggestion of possible solutions are not
welcome� or “impolite criticism not welcome�.

Such discernment is important. Wanton bitching as internet-using geeks
are used to is not criticism is any form.

People can be respected and make a living out of criticisms, called
critics, but not bitching. And when one really value opinions, you
often want criticism without qualifications. Just be happy that
valuable criticisms may come to you free from the experts in the
public. The instant you qualify what kind of feedback are welcome, your
feedback is compromised. (this is particularly so for political or
controversial subjects)

One easy way for many of the unix geeks to understand this is the
cryptology industry.

If one really desires valuable criticisms that is polite or with
solutions or “constructive � (whatever that means), one usually have
to pay.
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[Ken Tilton]

John Bokma wrote:

Eli Gottlieb <el*********@gm ail.com> wrote:

Oh, God, not another one.

Instead of cross posting more garbage, do as follows:

Email a complaint to the email addresses you can look up yourself and
include the entire message of Xah:

http://www.spamcop.net/sc?track=72.231.179.135 posting host
http://www.spamcop.net/sc?track=xahlee.org spamvertized site
If enough people complain with both, it might stop one day.

What might stop? I see one technical post every one or few weeks from
Xah, followed by a dozen posts from self-appointed library-sushers such
as Eli and library-shusher-shushers such as you and me, none of which
are technical.

The one technical post, whatever one thinks of it, creates no problem;
what part of "if you find the content worthless, just ignore it" is not
understood? Nothing, actually. The respondents just like shushing people.

Back on topic for just a moment, Tilton's Law of Programming applies:
"Solve the real problem." So kudos for your shusher-shushing but...

....reporting Xah to spamcop would be an abuse of spamcop. Reporting Eli,
yourself, and me, however, would be perfectly reasonable. :)

love, peace, and quiet,

kenny

--
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"Have you ever been in a relationship?"
Attorney for Mary Winkler, confessed killer of her
minister husband, when asked if the couple had
marital problems.

[Greg Menke]

Mark Thomas <anon> writes:

Xah Lee wrote:

Dear John Bokma,
This is a public notice that what you are trying to do is getting close
to harrassment from the law's perspective.
Thanks.
Xah
xa*@xahlee.org
∑ http://xahlee.org/
John Bokma wrote:

Eli Gottlieb <el*********@gm ail.com> wrote:

Oh, God, not another one.
Instead of cross posting more garbage, do as follows:

Email a complaint to the email addresses you can look up yourself and
include the entire message of Xah:

http://www.spamcop.net/sc?track=72.231.179.135 posting host
http://www.spamcop.net/sc?track=xahlee.org spamvertized site
If enough people complain with both, it might stop one day.

Ooooh! (Waggles fingers beneath chin)

Mark

So now Xah is an expert on law in addition to emacs. What a guy.

Gregm

[Roedy Green]

On 26 Apr 2006 12:29:33 -0700, "Xah Lee" <xa*@xahlee.org > wrote,
quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :

This is a public notice that what you are trying to do is getting close
to harrassment from the law's perspective.

and what you do Xah, is very close to spam, another form of
harassment.
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
http://mindprod.com Java custom programming, consulting and coaching.

[John Bokma]

Ken Tilton <ke*******@gmai l.com> wrote:

[ reported ]

What might stop?
The excessive cross posting.
I see one technical post every one or few weeks from
Xah, followed by a dozen posts from self-appointed library-sushers
such as Eli and library-shusher-shushers such as you and me, none of
which are technical.

The one technical post, whatever one thinks of it, creates no problem;
It does, it's cross posted in too many groups that have no direct relation
with each other, other then they are programming languages. Xah is
trolling, you know it, I know it.
what part of "if you find the content worthless, just ignore it" is
not understood? Nothing, actually.
If I see someone throwing garbage on the street, should I ignore it? It
will blow away, or the street cleaners will pick it up.

I do not ignore it.

...reporting Xah to spamcop would be an abuse of spamcop.

You're mistaken. I don't report Xah to spamcop. Spamcop has nothing to do
with Xah. I *do* report Xah to his ISP / USP and hosting provider though.

--
John Bokma Freelance software developer
&
Experienced Perl programmer: http://castleamber.com/

[John Bokma]

"Xah Lee" <xa*@xahlee.org > wrote:

Dear John Bokma,

This is a public notice that what you are trying to do is getting
close to harrassment from the law's perspective.

Which law?

You have been harrassing severl groups for too long with your drivel and
extremely badly written rants. I guess what you do comes way closer to
harrassment then me trying to kick your ass.

Lets hope some others join in and see who is going to win. Most trolls
give up after they lose a handful of accounts, since it gets more and more
expensive.

Find a new hobby if CS is too hard.

--
John Bokma Freelance software developer
&
Experienced Perl programmer: http://castleamber.com/

[John Bokma]

Roedy Green <my************ *************** ***@munged.inva lid> wrote:

On 26 Apr 2006 12:29:33 -0700, "Xah Lee" <xa*@xahlee.org > wrote,
quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :

This is a public notice that what you are trying to do is getting close
to harrassment from the law's perspective.

and what you do Xah, is very close to spam, another form of
harassment.

I leave that up to Xah's ISP/USP and hosting provider to decide :-D

But I am sure that if a few people email, that Xah's harassment is going
to stop soon.

Unless he wants to burn some cash.

--
John Bokma Freelance software developer
&
Experienced Perl programmer: http://castleamber.com/

[Alex Buell]

On 25 Apr 2006 12:21:43 -0700 "Xah Lee" <xa*@xahlee.org > waved a wand
and this message magically appeared:

Criticism versus Constructive Criticism

GO AWAY.

Noone wants to see this drivel. Put it on a website if you must.
Otherwise shut the fuck up and leave us alone!

--
http://www.munted.org.uk

Take a nap, it saves lives.

[James Stroud]

Ken Tilton wrote:

What might stop?

Nauseating misuse of English. Annoying cross-posts. Newsgroup clutter.
Shusher-Shusher-Shushers like me.

--
James Stroud
UCLA-DOE Institute for Genomics and Proteomics
Box 951570
Los Angeles, CA 90095

http://www.jamesstroud.com/

[Ken Tilton]

John Bokma wrote:

Ken Tilton <ke*******@gmai l.com> wrote:

[ reported ]

What might stop?

The excessive cross posting.

I see one technical post every one or few weeks from
Xah, followed by a dozen posts from self-appointed library-sushers
such as Eli and library-shusher-shushers such as you and me, none of
which are technical.

The one technical post, whatever one thinks of it, creates no problem;

It does, it's cross posted in too many groups that have no direct relation
with each other, other then they are programming languages. Xah is
trolling, you know it, I know it.

No, I do not know it. I have checked out his web site, and have been
involved in threads with him on comp.lang.lisp. He takes seriously what
he writes. whatever you think of it.

and if he were a troll, he would respond to each and every shusher to
increase the flames. in this case he just responded to someone who
threatened him.

meanwhile, some other genius has just shushed him. I think we are all
aprt of an experiemnt in Usenet addiction.

:)

peace and quiet,

ken

[John Bokma]

Alex Buell <al********@mun ted.org.uk> wrote:

GO AWAY.
Instead of cross posting more garbage, do as follows:

Email a complaint to the email addresses you can look up yourself and
include the entire message of Xah:

http://www.spamcop.net/sc?track=72.231.179.135 posting host
http://www.spamcop.net/sc?track=xahlee.org spamvertized site
If enough people complain with both, it might stop one day, maybe very
very soon.

FYI: dreamhost (hosts xahlee.org) takes complaints very seriously, and has
warned Xah Lee already :-D

So please stop replying to his drivel, just complain. It will stop.
Put it on a website if you must.

Good point, I am sure Xah Lee is able to set up some blogging software. If
he does it smart enough he might even attract more readers compared to
harassing Usenet. (Did I just wrote smart?!)
--
John Bokma Freelance software developer
&
Experienced Perl programmer: http://castleamber.com/