IDLE is no longer satisfactory for me. Other IDEs make me very
confused. Really do not know which one to use.
I use WinXP sp2 for current development.
So far as I know, Eclipse + PyDev + PyDev Extension is perfect for
source code editing. Since I am really not sure how to use the debugger
module, I really do not know how to add watch to variables etc. Anyone
knows if this platform is a good one?
I hope that an IDE should be featured with:
1. Grammar Colored highlights.
2. Manage project in a tree view or something alike, ie, a project file
navigator.
3. Code collapse and folding.
4. Code auto-completion: especially prompting function parameters when
I am typing a function previously defined by myself. Like the one in
Visual Studio series.
5. Debugging: Breakpoints, conditional pause. watch for variables.step
into, over and out of a function.
What about other IDEs? Since I do not need GUI development. More over,
the free-of-charge IDE is highly preferred.
6.Indentation management like in IDLE: press ctrl+[/] to modify the
identation of a line or a block.
In addition, I have seen quite a few editors, which are definitely not
what I want.
Thank you so much for suggestions.
Mar 11 '06
16  2021 
Vim + iPython does most of it doesn't it?
That's where I am after I became a bit frustrated with Idle (which I
still use on odd occasions).
EuGeNe
Joel Hedlund wrote: If you install Eclipse and try to use it without reading the
Workbench User Guide then you are not going to get anywhere.
Woah, easy now! I never read any "Workbench User Guide" and I'm doing
just fine with PyDev. Fabio Zadrozny (PyDev developer) wrote an
excellent startup guide for python programmers that includes
installing and basic editing:
http://www.fabioz.com/pydev/manual_101_root.html
It's all I ever read and it was enough for me to get going with
Eclipse + PyDev within 15 minutes on a WinXP machine.
Sorry to offend, I was just extrapoloating from personal experience.
When I was looking for a Java IDE I tried IntelliJ Idea, Netbeans and
Eclipse in that order. I found that I could use Idea and Netbeans
without reading the manuals, but I could not get going with Eclipse
until I read the Workbench User Guide and got the hang of perspectives
and views. Even installing it the first time seemed to be a mystery.
It is not difficult at all, just different. In retrospect, I don't know
why I found it puzzling but I have met others who have had the same
experience.
It has improved a lot recently, but even the Eclipse web-site was hard
to navigate. I think that a lot of the puzzlement comes from the fact
that the Eclipse folks present Eclipse not as an IDE, but as a framework
where one of the applications happens to be an IDE.
Don.
> Sorry to offend, I was just extrapoloating from personal experience.
No worries, man. No offense taken :-) but I could not get going with Eclipse
...
Even installing it the first time seemed to be a mystery.
Yeah I felt the same too when I first installed it. I had in fact given up using Eclipse, but then I found that starter guide I linked to in my last post. It really is excellent. It's thorough and to the point, and I really recommend it to people who are interested in PyDev.
Cheers,
Joel Hedlund
Hi
Being a Delphi user at work, I know what you mean :)
The best python IDE I have found is Stani's Python Editor (SPE), and I
think Stani himself replied to your message as well.
It integrates wxGlade, which is nice for form-building, although I don't
really do much of that with the python code I write.
My only gripe with SPE is that the memory usage, while SPE is running,
slowly climbs and climbs, and after several hours that python thread
running SPE is using several hundred megabytes of RAM. I usually just
restart it. It seems as if the effect is pronouced when running code
in the IDE.
Other than that, I now use SPE instead of Vim for python editing, which
is a big step for me. SPE is quite slick; some ways to go, but
certainly on the right track. The built-in code-completion is a godsend.
Hope this helps
Caleb
Sullivan WxPyQtKinter wrote: IDLE is no longer satisfactory for me. Other IDEs make me very
confused. Really do not know which one to use.
I use WinXP sp2 for current development.
So far as I know, Eclipse + PyDev + PyDev Extension is perfect for
source code editing. Since I am really not sure how to use the debugger
module, I really do not know how to add watch to variables etc. Anyone
knows if this platform is a good one?
I hope that an IDE should be featured with:
1. Grammar Colored highlights.
2. Manage project in a tree view or something alike, ie, a project file
navigator.
3. Code collapse and folding.
4. Code auto-completion: especially prompting function parameters when
I am typing a function previously defined by myself. Like the one in
Visual Studio series.
5. Debugging: Breakpoints, conditional pause. watch for variables.step
into, over and out of a function.
What about other IDEs? Since I do not need GUI development. More over,
the free-of-charge IDE is highly preferred.
6.Indentation management like in IDLE: press ctrl+[/] to modify the
identation of a line or a block.
In addition, I have seen quite a few editors, which are definitely not
what I want.
Thank you so much for suggestions.
> What features exactly does it not have?
Come to think of it, the only exception is probably that PyScripter (AFAIK)
does not provide conditional pause.
But I really like it. PyScripter is written in Delphi, my other favorite
language :)
-Dag
Sullivan WxPyQtKinter schrieb: IDLE is no longer satisfactory for me. Other IDEs make me very
confused. Really do not know which one to use.
I use WinXP sp2 for current development.
So far as I know, Eclipse + PyDev + PyDev Extension is perfect for
source code editing. Since I am really not sure how to use the debugger
module, I really do not know how to add watch to variables etc. Anyone
knows if this platform is a good one?
I hope that an IDE should be featured with:
1. Grammar Colored highlights.
2. Manage project in a tree view or something alike, ie, a project file
navigator.
3. Code collapse and folding.
4. Code auto-completion: especially prompting function parameters when
I am typing a function previously defined by myself. Like the one in
Visual Studio series.
5. Debugging: Breakpoints, conditional pause. watch for variables.step
into, over and out of a function.
What about other IDEs? Since I do not need GUI development. More over,
the free-of-charge IDE is highly preferred.
6.Indentation management like in IDLE: press ctrl+[/] to modify the
identation of a line or a block.
In addition, I have seen quite a few editors, which are definitely not
what I want.
Thank you so much for suggestions.
Give Komodo ( http://www.activestate.com/Products/Komodo/?mp=1) a try.
Michael
> Come to think of it, the only exception is probably that PyScripter
(AFAIK) does not provide conditional pause.
Quoting myself :)
But now it does! Conditional breakpoints were introduced in the
new version released on the 14th of March: http://mmm-experts.com/
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