Guido at Google

[JB]

It seems that our master Guido van Rossum had an offer from google and
he accepted it!!

long life to Guido & Goole ! many things to come ;)

ju²

[Ilias Lazaridis]

ca**********@gm ail.com wrote:

Ilias Lazaridis wrote: [...]

http://lazaridis.com/case/lang/python.html

[...]
Hi there, I wonder what comments you would have about XOTCL, or other
OO extensions for tcl, like snit, and dozens more. I looked at the
various scripting languages available to me and decided to go with
tcl as it seemed the most versatile. I can't find it on your page
though.
Regards.

I had myself a positive impression about TCL, but a negative one with
the community (and with the many OO extensions for TCL, which would be a
sub-evaluation):

[JAMLANG] - Comparative Evaluation - Draft Version
http://groups.google.com/group/comp....91f3b541d976f5

If you like, you can fill in the evaluation based on tcl/XOTCL (which
would be published then).

http://lazaridis.com/case/lang/index.html

you can alternatively sent a text-file via email.

If you have further questions, please contact me with private email.

Thank you for your intrest.

Best Regards,

Ilias Lazaridis

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[Robert Kern]

be************@ lycos.com wrote:

This is interesting. With more Python time in Guido's hands maybe Py
3.0 is a bit closer... :-)

I don't know if this is a silly idea:
A small part of the wealth of a modern state is probably determined by
the software it uses/produces, and a small part of this software is
open source or free. This free sofware is used by a lot of people, and
they probably use it to work too, etc.
For a modern government, paying a salary to few (20?) very good open
source programmers can make the whole society "earn" maybe 10 or more
times that money... (The money given from EU to PyPy can be an example
of this).

No, it's not a silly idea. Dean Baker, the Co-Director the Center for Economic
and Policy Research, has proposed for the U.S. government to establish a
Software Developer's Corps. For $2 billion per year, it could fund about 20,000
developers to make open source software. Much of that software would be directly
usable by local, state, and federal governments and thus pay back some, all, or
more of the investment (Dean estimates more). In addition, the general public
also benefits directly.

http://www.cepr.net/publications/windows_2005_10.pdf

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Robert Kern
ro*********@gma il.com

"In the fields of hell where the grass grows high
Are the graves of dreams allowed to die."
-- Richard Harter

[Ilias Lazaridis]

Fredrik Lundh wrote:

Gary Herron wrote:

So how about it... What's your complaint, what's your solution, and why
should we listen?
Nobody will ever know.

simply review this explanations:

http://lazaridis.com/core/index.html

some people have already understood this in the past.
Check the comp.lang.pytho n/ruby/lisp/etc archives
for more.
evaluations will be listed here shortly:

http://lazaridis.com/core/eval/index.html

(if you find an itresting topic, please send the link)
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[Ilias Lazaridis]

Thomas Wouters wrote:
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thank you for your comments.

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TAG.python.evol ution.negate

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[Alex Martelli]

Nicola Musatti <ni************ @gmail.com> wrote:

Alex Martelli wrote:

Renato <re************ @gmail.com> wrote:

all of the native administration tools of RedHat (all versions) and
Fedora Core are written in python (system-config-* and/or
redhat-config-* ). And even more importantly, yum (the official
software package manager for Fedora and RHEL) and Anaconda (OS
installer) are written in Python, too.

BTW, Chip Turner (from RedHat, and deeply involved in those
developments) happened to start at Google the same day I did;-).

Ah, the closed source days! Back then you could just buy the company
and be done with it. Now you have to chase developers one by one all
over the world... ;-)

Well, you can STILL buy the company -- eBay's bought Skipe (and a slice
of craigslist), Yahoo's bought delicious and flickr, we've bought
Keyhole (and a tiny slice of AOL)... just to mention recent and salient
acquisitions... ;-)
Alex

[Ilias Lazaridis]

Greg Stein wrote:

Guido would acknowledge a query, but never announce it. That's not his
style.

This should have a positive impact on Python. His job description has a
*very* significant portion of his time dedicated specifically to
working on Python. (much more than his previous "one day a week" jobs
have given him)

Doeas anyone at google realize the threat?

Mr. van Rossum should have 100% of his time for working on Python at
least for around 3 to 6 months.

50% for working on it (whilst simply having fun, as he should)

50% for _decoupling_ the strong-dependency of the python-development
from his person, thus python-evolution is ensured. This would involve to
clarify, document and to communicate the need to the community (which
seems to partially have a strong dependency, too).

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[Alex Martelli]

Bengt Richter <bo**@oz.net> wrote:

On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 09:07:26 -0800, al***@mail.comc ast.net (Alex Martelli)
wrote:

Renato <re************ @gmail.com> wrote:

all of the native administration tools of RedHat (all versions) and
Fedora Core are written in python (system-config-* and/or
redhat-config-* ). And even more importantly, yum (the official
software package manager for Fedora and RHEL) and Anaconda (OS
installer) are written in Python, too.

BTW, Chip Turner (from RedHat, and deeply involved in those
developments ) happened to start at Google the same day I did;-).

So is google about to determine how many luminaries can fit on the head of
a project? ;-) Seriously, if you heavies do sometimes work on the same
project, it would be interesting to know what modes of co-operation you
tend to adopt.

Google's official position (per the article Hal Varian and Eric Schmidt
wrote recently) is that we are a "consensus-oriented culture". I _have_
worked in companies with consensus-oriented cultures, such as IBM in the
'80s (where it sometimes paralized everything, since one manager's
"non-concur" was enough to block progress on a project), and I would
respectfully disagree (on this point only -- the rest of their article
is quite consonant with my personal experiences) with our beloved leader
and our most excellent advisor. I would say we're a *results-oriented*
corporate culture... sometimes egos may get bruised, but we're all
supposed to have small-enough, resilient-enough egos to survive and
remain happy and productive anyway;-). Check the xooglers' blog for
others' opinions...
Alex

[Alex Martelli]

rbt <rb*@athop1.ath .vt.edu> wrote:
...

His founder, Mark Shuttleworth, is a python fan.

Aren't most all intelligent people Python fans?

No: I know many intelligent people who are not Python fans, ranging from
the Perl crowd (lot of great, bright people who however prefer Perl to
Python) to Ruby fans, from the C++ intelligentsia to the Java
in-crowd... hard to explain, for sure, but, there you are!
Alex

[Alex Martelli]

Bugs <do**@spam.me > wrote:

So when *is* someone (either Guido himself or Google) going to
officially announce that Guido has moved to Google? If at all?
I don't think any official announcement is planned.
Also, it would be nice to know from Guido's perspective what, if any at
all, impact this will have on Python?
I'll leave this to Guido to answer, if he wants to.
Maybe here? http://www.artima.com/weblogs/index.jsp?blogger=guido Is
this Guido's official blog?

I believe so, yes.
Alex

[Anand]

> It's like having James Bond as your very own personal body guard ;)

That is such a nice quote that I am going to put it in my email
signature ! :)

-Anand