Witch language to choose? (PHP or asp.net)

[warstar]

Hello all,

I'm in a bit of a problem I'm given a project making an online
shopping system for a professional barbershop. But I'm with a small
problem in witch language to make the system.
My choice would be PHP but I hear from many people that asp.net is
better and more stable.
So I ask you what your experience with asp.net and PHP is.

Thank you already,
Warnar

[Geoff Berrow]

I noticed that Message-ID: <01************ *************** *****@4ax.com>
from warstar contained the following:

I'm in a bit of a problem I'm given a project making an online
shopping system for a professional barbershop.

I think PHP is definitely a cut above the rest - use it and you will
shave hours off your development time. You could run a pole but a few
people might get stroppy. Be sure to trim your code right down then it
won't take long to comb through to find your mistakes. Pretty soon it
will be tight as a DA.
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[Nikolai Chuvakhin]

warstar <wa*****@NSA.ml > wrote in message
news:<01******* *************** **********@4ax. com>...

I'm in a bit of a problem I'm given a project making an online
shopping system for a professional barbershop. But I'm with a small
problem in witch language to make the system.
The choice of scripting language is not done in a vacuum; it has
to be logically tied to the choice of operating system, HTTP server,
and database engine. And those choices, in turn, are heavily
influenced by performance requirements and cost considerations.
Since you are not telling us anything about performance requirements
and cost considerations, it's impossible to give you a rational
advice.
My choice would be PHP but I hear from many people that asp.net is
better and more stable.
Even if this is true (and opinions vary), how is it relevant to you
if your deployment platform is, say, Linux or FreeBSD?
So I ask you what your experience with asp.net and PHP is.

Both (as well as JSP, Perl, or Python) can be used to develop and
deploy high-performance Web applications. ASP is best when you
deploy on costly, but robust Microsoft-only software stack
(Win2K/IIS/SQL2K); PHP shines when you are willing to pay a small
performance penalty for significant budget cuts and thus decide
to deploy on an open-source software stack.

Cheers,
NC

[Markku Nevalainen]

Nikolai Chuvakhin wrote:

ASP is best when you deploy on costly, but robust Microsoft-only
software stack (Win2K/IIS/SQL2K);
I have not very often seen word "robust" used with any of the MS
products. So I'll have to ask what does the robustness specifically
mean here?

Does it mean that all these layers on this chain, W2k, IIS, SQL2k
and ASP are significantly more robust than the cheaper, mainly open
source counterparts?
I have thought that at least Apache should be a serious challenger
for IIS, when talking about robustness and security.
PHP shines when you are willing to pay a small performance penalty
for significant budget cuts and thus decide to deploy on an
open-source software stack.

Is there some benchmarks available, where one could easiy see the
speed difference between these two choices, and maybe still some
otheralternativ es.

I am *not* a PHP enthusiast myself. I'm just trying to find some
reliable facts for my near future own choices.

Markku Nevalainen

[warstar]

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 01:26:57 +0000, Geoff Berrow
<bl******@ckdog .co.uk> wrote:

I noticed that Message-ID: <01************ *************** *****@4ax.com>
from warstar contained the following:

I'm in a bit of a problem I'm given a project making an online
shopping system for a professional barbershop.
I think PHP is definitely a cut above the rest - use it and you will
shave hours off your development time. You could run a pole but a few

But what about the error cheking and stuff asp.net dus that with like
3 clicks.
people might get stroppy. Be sure to trim your code right down then it
won't take long to comb through to find your mistakes. Pretty soon it
Where are you basing this on?? the debuger in asp.net helps you debug
never geen a debuger in php
will be tight as a DA.

Thank you

[warstar]

I agree ais there someone who has seen what is more robust win2k or
win2k3 or debian or redhat etc.
Same on the db part any test?
i was allways thinking apache was better then IIS but maybe i'm wrong?

Thanks for you repley

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:20:15 +0200, Markku Nevalainen
<mn************ ***@iki.fi> wrote:

Nikolai Chuvakhin wrote:

ASP is best when you deploy on costly, but robust Microsoft-only
software stack (Win2K/IIS/SQL2K);

I have not very often seen word "robust" used with any of the MS
products. So I'll have to ask what does the robustness specifically
mean here?

Does it mean that all these layers on this chain, W2k, IIS, SQL2k
and ASP are significantly more robust than the cheaper, mainly open
source counterparts?
I have thought that at least Apache should be a serious challenger
for IIS, when talking about robustness and security.

PHP shines when you are willing to pay a small performance penalty
for significant budget cuts and thus decide to deploy on an
open-source software stack.

Is there some benchmarks available, where one could easiy see the
speed difference between these two choices, and maybe still some
otheralternati ves.

I am *not* a PHP enthusiast myself. I'm just trying to find some
reliable facts for my near future own choices.

Markku Nevalainen

[Geoff Berrow]

I noticed that Message-ID: <9c************ *************** *****@4ax.com>
from warstar contained the following:

Where are you basing this on??

Very bad puns.

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My opinions, not the committee's, mine.
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[warstar]

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 11:42:59 +0000, Geoff Berrow
<bl******@ckdog .co.uk> wrote:

I noticed that Message-ID: <9c************ *************** *****@4ax.com>
from warstar contained the following:

Where are you basing this on??

Very bad puns.

Puns?? sorry my english isn't perfect

[Bob]

I've been going through the arguement/thought process over and over,
it never seems to end.

I've done databases/website in both platforms.

Factors in my decision are decidedly less technical than business,
hence my decision to "contribute " to this thread. Technical stuff in
my opinon is splitting heads lengthwise. Both are powerful mature
platforms that are only getting better.

My factors:

1) Cost
2) Availability of tools, including database generation/manipulation
and html / asp/php generation.
3) How does this impact my career, will learning this platform hurt
and enhance my money making potential. After all it's all about
money.

Results:

1) Cost, PHP/MySql hands down. Included in cost is the ability to
find examples/tutorials and CODE! The php/mysql community is bar
none.

2) Edge to Php/mysql in number of tools, however MS has released Web
Matrix this is a real neat professional all in one tool that
integrates html/asp/database quite nicely. And yo, it is free. yup
free. Remember IE/Netscape? However it only supports MS SQL Sever
and Access. That's the hook. Tough to compete with the world's
richest guy.

I my self use, homesite/php/mysql and will soon use navicat. Four
tools vs one. I paid for homesite and will for navicat.

3) This is the hardest, in the corporate world right now, asp / aspx
will pay the most. ASPX will become dirt common. PHP has been
fighting the rebel image and in MY OPINON is making serious headway,
and is becoming accepted. The edge however to ASP/ASPX due to sheer
marketing might of MS.

Pesonally as someone who cut his teeth on the original K&R edition of
"C" I like php. To me aspx gets too wrapped up in framework.

But hey, I am a corporate guy and I do asp and aspx also.

Bottom line, if cash is short go with php. Otherwise go where your
heart leads php or aspx.
But I must say the one thing burns my *ss about MS is the constant
forced upgrading. The new technology never seems to be compatible
with the older technology. You must upgrade or die. I am tired of
having to go back and update my programs because they are no longer
compatible with the new OS.

Make no mistake the profit drive in MS is strong, as it should be, you
will pay. Web Matrix may be free but it locks you in to MSSQL Server,
and that is not free. Plus MS based websites cost more, they have to
pay licensing fees the php/mysql guys don't have to.

Do what you want and feel secure in your decision.

warstar <wa*****@NSA.ml > wrote in message news:<3j******* *************** **********@4ax. com>...

I agree ais there someone who has seen what is more robust win2k or
win2k3 or debian or redhat etc.
Same on the db part any test?
i was allways thinking apache was better then IIS but maybe i'm wrong?

Thanks for you repley

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:20:15 +0200, Markku Nevalainen
<mn************ ***@iki.fi> wrote:

Nikolai Chuvakhin wrote:

ASP is best when you deploy on costly, but robust Microsoft-only
software stack (Win2K/IIS/SQL2K);

I have not very often seen word "robust" used with any of the MS
products. So I'll have to ask what does the robustness specifically
mean here?

Does it mean that all these layers on this chain, W2k, IIS, SQL2k
and ASP are significantly more robust than the cheaper, mainly open
source counterparts?
I have thought that at least Apache should be a serious challenger
for IIS, when talking about robustness and security.

PHP shines when you are willing to pay a small performance penalty
for significant budget cuts and thus decide to deploy on an
open-source software stack.

Is there some benchmarks available, where one could easiy see the
speed difference between these two choices, and maybe still some
otheralternati ves.

I am *not* a PHP enthusiast myself. I'm just trying to find some
reliable facts for my near future own choices.

Markku Nevalainen

[Phil Roberts]

With total disregard for any kind of safety measures warstar
<wa*****@NSA.ml > leapt forth and uttered:

Where are you basing this on?? the debuger in asp.net helps you
debug never geen a debuger in php

I thought the debugger was a function of the IDE software. And PHP
does have one, in fact it has two that I know of:

http://www.phpedit.com/
http://www.zend.com/store/products/zend-studio.php

Personally I like PHP for it's flexibility. Languages such as C# or
Java may be very powerful but they're also very verbose and writing
a simple script is a pain as you're forced to adhere to both the OO
class structures and strong typing.

Hello world in PHP:
<?php echo 'Hello World'; ?>

Hello world in C#:

using System;
public class HelloWorld {
public static void Main() {
System.Console. WriteLine("Hell o World");
}
}

Not much different in Java:

public class Helloworld {
public static void main(String[] args) {
System.out.prin tln("Hello World");
}
}

So if you're looking at web programming then go with PHP as it has
everything you could possibly want and is relatively simple to code
as well. If things such as form validation is a requirement then I
suggest you take a look at WACT (Web Application Component Toolkit)
which does a good job at matching the more useful features of
ASP.NET: http://wact.sourceforge.net/

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