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I'm looking for a name for a my new XML-like language.

I've created a data structuring format (you can't really call it a
markup language), that behaves like XML, but that's much more
flexible. You can have elements without names, attributes without
names, you don't need something like CDATA or entities, and there's no
such thing as DTD.

Now I'm looking for an interesting name for it. I've thought of using
a name like *ML (replace the * by any letter), but all the letters
were already taken.

Now I think I might not use an acronym: there are already too much of
them. So I'm looking for a symbolic name, perhaps an animal name.

The format is a lot smaller than XML, less verbose but still
human-readable. It's optimized for small files, fast and small parsers
and intelligent usage.

Can anyone help me?
Jul 20 '05 #1
16 2031
WTFML?????????? ???
:)
just kidding....
just came to my mind and i though i must say it!
hehe
:)

"Tommy Carlier" <to***********@ pandora.be> wrote in message
news:e3******** *************** ***@posting.goo gle.com...
I've created a data structuring format (you can't really call it a
markup language), that behaves like XML, but that's much more
flexible. You can have elements without names, attributes without
names, you don't need something like CDATA or entities, and there's no
such thing as DTD.

Now I'm looking for an interesting name for it. I've thought of using
a name like *ML (replace the * by any letter), but all the letters
were already taken.

Now I think I might not use an acronym: there are already too much of
them. So I'm looking for a symbolic name, perhaps an animal name.

The format is a lot smaller than XML, less verbose but still
human-readable. It's optimized for small files, fast and small parsers
and intelligent usage.

Can anyone help me?

Jul 20 '05 #2
Tommy Carlier wrote:
I've created a data structuring format (you can't really call it a
markup language), that behaves like XML, but that's much more
flexible. You can have elements without names, attributes without
names, you don't need something like CDATA or entities, and there's no
such thing as DTD.


What use is it?

///Peter
Jul 20 '05 #3
Peter Flynn <pe***@silmaril .ie> wrote in message news:<bf******* *****@ID-163087.news.uni-berlin.de>...
Tommy Carlier wrote:
I've created a data structuring format (you can't really call it a
markup language), that behaves like XML, but that's much more
flexible. You can have elements without names, attributes without
names, you don't need something like CDATA or entities, and there's no
such thing as DTD.


What use is it?

What use is XML? Just like XML it is a general format that does
nothing else than provide structure to data.
Jul 20 '05 #4
Tommy Carlier wanted a name on his special brand of XML

Call it: TCML (Tommy Carlier Mysterious Language)

Regards
Kurt Svensson
www.inobiz.com
Jul 20 '05 #5
Kurt Svensson <ku**@inobiz.se > schreef op 16 Jul 2003 07:23:57 -0700:
Tommy Carlier wanted a name on his special brand of XML

Call it: TCML (Tommy Carlier Mysterious Language)

Regards
Kurt Svensson
www.inobiz.com


It's not really a special brand of XML, it's an alternative for XML.

XML looks like:

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<html>
<head><title>Ti tle of the document</title></head>
<body bgcolor="#FFFFF F">
<h1>A header</h1>
<p>
A paragraph with a horizontal line: <hr/>
</p>
</body>
</html>

In my language, the previous document would look like:

<xml version="1.0">
html
{
head { title { "Title of the document" } }
body ( bgcolor="#FFFFF F" )
{
h1 { "A header" }
p
{
"A paragraph with a horizontal line:" hr;
}
}
}

If you remove all unnecessary spaces, you get:

<?xml version="1.0"?> <html><head><ti tle>Title of the
document</title></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFF F"><h1>A header</h1><p>A
paragraph with a horizontal line:<hr/></p></body></html>

versus:

<xml version="1.0">h tml{head{title{ "Title of the
document"}}body (bgcolor="#FFFF FF"){h1{"A header"}p{"A paragraph with a
horizontal line:"hr;}}}
Jul 20 '05 #6
Doesn't seem that much more concise or easier to read.

Bob
P.S. That <xml version="1.0"> doesn't belong there.
P.P.S. To heck with trivial examples, let's see how the schema for XML
Schema looks in this language.

"Tommy Carlier" <to***********@ pandora.be> wrote in message
news:op******** ******@news.tel enet.be...
Kurt Svensson <ku**@inobiz.se > schreef op 16 Jul 2003 07:23:57 -0700:
Tommy Carlier wanted a name on his special brand of XML

Call it: TCML (Tommy Carlier Mysterious Language)

Regards
Kurt Svensson
www.inobiz.com


It's not really a special brand of XML, it's an alternative for XML.

XML looks like:

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<html>
<head><title>Ti tle of the document</title></head>
<body bgcolor="#FFFFF F">
<h1>A header</h1>
<p>
A paragraph with a horizontal line: <hr/>
</p>
</body>
</html>

In my language, the previous document would look like:

<xml version="1.0">
html
{
head { title { "Title of the document" } }
body ( bgcolor="#FFFFF F" )
{
h1 { "A header" }
p
{
"A paragraph with a horizontal line:" hr;
}
}
}

If you remove all unnecessary spaces, you get:

<?xml version="1.0"?> <html><head><ti tle>Title of the
document</title></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFF F"><h1>A header</h1><p>A
paragraph with a horizontal line:<hr/></p></body></html>

versus:

<xml version="1.0">h tml{head{title{ "Title of the
document"}}body (bgcolor="#FFFF FF"){h1{"A header"}p{"A paragraph with a
horizontal line:"hr;}}}

Jul 20 '05 #7
What's easier to read:
<title>A title</title>
or
title { "A title" }

I think it's a little easier to read the second. And it's smaller, so
faster to transport and faster to parse. The BNF-notation of the
format is also a lot smaller and less complex than that of XML, so a
parser should also be less complex.

The language also has other features like elements with no name,
attributes without a name or a value, ...

It's much cleaner to work with lists and tables:
in XML/HTML a list would look like:
<ul>
<li>Item 1</li>
<li>Item 2</li>
<li>Item 3</li>
</ul>

In my format, you can write a list like:
ul
{
li { "Item 1" }
li { "Item 2" }
li { "Item 3" }
}

Because the children of a list are always LI-elements, you can leave
the name LI away, and because the elements only have 1 text-element as
a child, you can leave the { and } away too, so the code would look
like:
ul
{
"Item 1"
"Item 2"
"Item 3"
}

Now remove all the unnecessary spaces, and you get:
<ul><li>Item 1</li><li>Item 2</li><li>Item 3</li></ul>
versus
ul{"Item 1""Item 2""Item 2"}

Think of what it can do to tables if you know that the children of a
TABLE-element are always rows (TR) and the children of rows are always
cells (TD).

Now I'm still looking for a name :)
Jul 20 '05 #8
is it still easier to read if you have a nesting of say 30 elements deep
sounds like a lot of

}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} }}

to me
which } closed the opening element?

Colin

"Tommy Carlier" <to***********@ pandora.be> wrote in message
news:e3******** *************** ***@posting.goo gle.com...
What's easier to read:
<title>A title</title>
or
title { "A title" }

I think it's a little easier to read the second. And it's smaller, so
faster to transport and faster to parse. The BNF-notation of the
format is also a lot smaller and less complex than that of XML, so a
parser should also be less complex.

The language also has other features like elements with no name,
attributes without a name or a value, ...

It's much cleaner to work with lists and tables:
in XML/HTML a list would look like:
<ul>
<li>Item 1</li>
<li>Item 2</li>
<li>Item 3</li>
</ul>

In my format, you can write a list like:
ul
{
li { "Item 1" }
li { "Item 2" }
li { "Item 3" }
}

Because the children of a list are always LI-elements, you can leave
the name LI away, and because the elements only have 1 text-element as
a child, you can leave the { and } away too, so the code would look
like:
ul
{
"Item 1"
"Item 2"
"Item 3"
}

Now remove all the unnecessary spaces, and you get:
<ul><li>Item 1</li><li>Item 2</li><li>Item 3</li></ul>
versus
ul{"Item 1""Item 2""Item 2"}

Think of what it can do to tables if you know that the children of a
TABLE-element are always rows (TR) and the children of rows are always
cells (TD).

Now I'm still looking for a name :)

Jul 20 '05 #9
"Tommy Carlier" <to***********@ pandora.be> wrote in message
news:e3******** *************** ***@posting.goo gle.com...
What's easier to read:
<title>A title</title>
or
title { "A title" }

I think it's a little easier to read the second. And it's smaller, so
faster to transport and faster to parse.


Comm links usually have some kind of compression algorithm.
Zip both versions and see which is smaller, and by how much.
Compression squeezes repetition & xml tags tend to be repetitive.

Jul 20 '05 #10

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