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FYI: RIAA tries to pull plug on Usenet. Seriously.

jim
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October 16, 2007 5:56 PM PDT
RIAA tries to pull plug on Usenet. Seriously.
Posted by Declan McCullagh
The Recording Industry Association of America has found a new legal target
for a copyright lawsuit: Usenet.

In a lawsuit filed on October 12, the RIAA says that Usenet newsgroups
contain "millions of copyrighted sound recordings" in violation of federal
law.

Only Usenet.com is named as a defendant for now, but the same logic would
let the RIAA sue hundreds of universities, Internet service providers, and
other newsgroup archives. AT&T offers Usenet, as does Verizon, Stanford
University and other companies including Giganews.

That's what makes this lawsuit important. If the RIAA can win against
Usenet.com, other Usenet providers are at legal risk, too.

For those of you who are relative newcomers to the Internet, Usenet was a
wildly popular way to distribute conversations and binary files long before
the Web or peer-to-peer networks existed. It's divided up into tens of
thousands of "newsgroups "--discussion areas arranged hierarchically and
sporting names like sci.med.aids, rec.motorcycles , and comp.os.linux.a dmin.
A handful are moderated; most are not. For efficiency's sake, recent posts
to newsgroups are stored on the Usenet provider's server (as opposed to
saved on a subscriber's computer as mailing lists are).

Some newsgroups, like alt.binaries.pi ctures, are devoted to the distribution
of binary files. Of particular relevance to the RIAA lawsuit is that there
are around 652 newsgroups with the phrase "MP3" in their names. (For storage
space reasons, not all Usenet providers offer binary newsgroups. Google's
Web-based interface to Usenet doesn't, for instance.)

The RIAA sued Usenet.com, which is based in Fargo, N.D., in the southern
district of New York. The lawsuit claims Usenet.com encourages its customers
to pay up to $19 a month by enticing them with copyrighted music, and asks
for a permanent injunction barring the company from "aiding, encouraging,
enabling, inducing, causing, materially contributing to, or otherwise
facilitating" copyright infringement.

There are some differences between Usenet.com and some of the other
newsgroup providers that will help the RIAA. Usenet.com boasts that signing
up for an account "gives you access to millions of MP3 files and also
enables you to post your own files the same way and share them with the
whole world."

Clearly they didn't run that language by their lawyers first.

So will the RIAA win? Thanks to improvident boasts like that, they stand a
good chance. One reason the U.S. Supreme Court ruled against Grokster is
that the justices believed that StreamCast's executives had tried to lure
pirates into using the Morpheus application. The justices also said that
neither company filtered copyrighted material and "the business models
employed by Grokster and StreamCast confirm that their principal object was
use of their software to download copyrighted works."

What the RIAA's doing here is a classic litigation strategy: sue someone who
a judge is likely to say is a clear offender, and then invoke that decision
when targeting someone who's a more marginal case. Usenet.com may be first,
in other words, but newsgroup providers like AT&T, Verizon, and Stanford may
well be next.
Oct 17 '07
19 1709
On Oct 17, 3:50 am, "jim" <j...@home.netw rote:
(fromhttp://www.news.com/8301-13578_3-9798715-38.html)

October 16, 2007 5:56 PM PDT
RIAA tries to pull plug on Usenet. Seriously.
So what's the over-under (in years or months) that the RIAA will
officially declare Linux to be a tool for piracy.
Oct 18 '07 #11
Darth Chaos wrote:
On Oct 17, 3:50 am, "jim" <j...@home.netw rote:
>(fromhttp://www.news.com/8301-13578_3-9798715-38.html)

October 16, 2007 5:56 PM PDT
RIAA tries to pull plug on Usenet. Seriously.

So what's the over-under (in years or months) that the RIAA will
officially declare Linux to be a tool for piracy.


Rather depends on when Steve Ballmer thinks of it (Looks at watch)
Oct 18 '07 #12
What Bill Gates SHOULD do is withdraw Windows of all types from the European
Union. My, how they will scream. And there is NOTHING they could do about
it.

"Free Phones" <fl***@mostlyfr eephones.comwro te in message
news:OJ******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP04.phx.gbl...
"Mick Murphy" <Mi********@dis cussions.micros oft.comwrote in message
news:58******** *************** ***********@mic rosoft.com...
>Yawn!!!!

Who cares!!!!


It is nice to know where to find a copy of an os that works in case Bill
Gates decides to pull the plug everytime he thinks somebody is a criminal.
Hopefully, if Vista stops working we can go to usenet to get a working
copy to get OUR data back. Of course, now a days some people think it is
a crime to take back your own property that you paid for.

Floyd
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Oct 18 '07 #13
____/ Darth Chaos on Thursday 18 October 2007 03:22 : \____
On Oct 17, 3:50 am, "jim" <j...@home.netw rote:
>(fromhttp://www.news.com/8301-13578_3-9798715-38.html)

October 16, 2007 5:56 PM PDT
RIAA tries to pull plug on Usenet. Seriously.

So what's the over-under (in years or months) that the RIAA will
officially declare Linux to be a tool for piracy.
No, leave that to eBay.

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Oct 18 '07 #14
On 18/10/2007 in message <u8************ **@TK2MSFTNGP02 .phx.gblTelstar
wrote:
>What Bill Gates SHOULD do is withdraw Windows of all types from the
European Union. My, how they will scream. And there is NOTHING they
could do about it.
There is already a large movement to open source software in the EU, it
would just accelerate that. It seems to me that the key difference here is
that we are not in thrall to industry, we expect them to act responsibly,
and we are willing to stand up to bullying.

--
Jeff Gaines
Oct 18 '07 #15
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:14:27 -0500, Adam Albright wrote:
>
As far as idiots, you seem to be a member in good standing of that
club. Usenet was formed with one purpose in mind. NO RULES.
That is completely wrong.

Usenet was formed on the back of bulletin boards. It was innitially just
an easier way to find groups or boards, before then you had to wait until
someone invited you, the groups were to talk about things you are
interested in.

Obviously there were many UNIX bulletin boards, because bulletin
boards started on UNIX. But you also got many other groups as things
picked up speed.

The only reason rules started to come into play was because of the
spoilers, those who would set up a script to pour gunge into the boards.
Then later spam and adverts.

The news groups are full of spoiled groups, some ran their course and died
naturally, others were attempting to be free of control and were simply
destroyed with spam.

I know. I
was there from the beginning. Yet there are always bozos like you that
always attempt to impose and enforce rules you think would fit your
distorted view of what others may enjoy.
There are two sorts of rules, those that try to limit what the posters can
say, I am fully against those. I don't like the little hitlers banning
people from groups or filtering posts, because it always ends up with them
filtering out any post that disagrees with their own stance, what ever the
subject.

The other rules are those that try to protect the users so that they can
say what they want to say. These have limited success.

As fot the binaries though, you have to remember that not everyone is on
broadband and not everyone likes to boot into a gui. A huge block of mime
can tie up a farmers PC for ages. For those on text only readers it is
just a huge block of crap.

Binaries are much better out of the news group, just a link to another
place.

I would be interested to know why you were so insulting to lythos. I
thought his comments were reasonable.

And yes, I too was there at the start, so don't try to use the 'I was on
the first BB' argument with me because those days are long gone and it
just don't wash as a modern argument, the people are different, not
better and not worse, just different. We were all 100% techies/geeks in
those days and many of the groups were pretty much the same thing, mates
talking pewters, arranging the next beer fest, oops I mean UNIX show and
sharing bits and bobs.

If the modern news groups were pure geek as they were then, no one would
join them, including myself. Such things have a limited life.

Oct 18 '07 #16
Telstar wrote:
What Bill Gates SHOULD do is withdraw Windows of all types from the European
Union. My, how they will scream. And there is NOTHING they could do about
it.
That would just speed up their already progressive move to linux.
>
"Free Phones" <fl***@mostlyfr eephones.comwro te in message
news:OJ******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP04.phx.gbl...
>"Mick Murphy" <Mi********@dis cussions.micros oft.comwrote in message
news:58******* *************** ************@mi crosoft.com...
>>Yawn!!!!

Who cares!!!!

It is nice to know where to find a copy of an os that works in case Bill
Gates decides to pull the plug everytime he thinks somebody is a criminal.
Hopefully, if Vista stops working we can go to usenet to get a working
copy to get OUR data back. Of course, now a days some people think it is
a crime to take back your own property that you paid for.

Floyd
--
Mostly Free Phones dot com has many free smart phones
Unlocked phones with no contract also
batteries and accessories

survivaldeal er dot com
witchwellenerg y dot com



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Oct 18 '07 #17
jim

"The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'"
<no**@none.notw rote in message news:ff******** **@aioe.org...
Telstar wrote:
>What Bill Gates SHOULD do is withdraw Windows of all types from the
European Union. My, how they will scream. And there is NOTHING they
could do about it.

That would just speed up their already progressive move to linux.
The greatest thing that would speed the movement to more progressive
platforms, more choice and more economic growth would be the simple act of
passing Open Data Format legislation.

But, its evidentally too simple a task for most to grasp.

jim
Oct 18 '07 #18

"The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'"
<no**@none.notw rote in message news:ff******** **@aioe.org...
Telstar wrote:
>What Bill Gates SHOULD do is withdraw Windows of all types from the
European Union. My, how they will scream. And there is NOTHING they
could do about it.

That would just speed up their already progressive move to linux.

I'd take that bet. They would fail. The EU is a complete disaster of an
organization. Progressive? The most regressive concept in political
history, unable to do a thing.
Oct 19 '07 #19
On 2007-10-17, Leythos <vo**@nowhere.l anwrote:
In article <Z6************ *************** ***@giganews.co m>,
no**********@sc rewspammers.com says...
I agree with that, there shouldn't be a need to pass binaries in news
groups. At one time if the news group needed extra content you would
just run a web site for the extra parts.

Why shouldn't there be a need?

Just because you don't have the need, why can't someone else have it?

If you don't want binaries or don't need binaries then don't go to binary
groups. It's really simple.

My guess is that you didn't know about Usenet until after your first MS
PC, and MS was late getting into the Usenet world.

Usenet was setup to allow groups to share information on related topics.
In the early days you could not pass files (mime attachments), but when
it was updated to also work over SMTP it had to follow the email
standards which included attachments.
MIME? Are you kidding?

Did you just fall off the turnip truck yesterday?

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