There seems to be a lot of confusion on the versions of Visual Studio 2005.
My latest blog entry covers the different versions:
Main URL:
http://spaces.msn.com/members/gregorybeamer/Blog/cns!1ptsyfBgfiU msaQCul95SOyg!1 41.entry
If the above URL wraps and you want a shorter URL for the entry: http://tinyurl.com/9yxbs
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Gregory A. Beamer
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Think Outside the Box!
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Will visual studio team suite 2005 be free if I purchase the universal
subscription???
that would be a difference of almost 8000 euro's :-s
can you show me where this is said? that 2005 will be free with a universal
subscription.
thx
"Cowboy (Gregory A. Beamer)" wrote: There seems to be a lot of confusion on the versions of Visual Studio 2005.
My latest blog entry covers the different versions:
Main URL:
http://spaces.msn.com/members/gregorybeamer/Blog/cns!1ptsyfBgfiU msaQCul95SOyg!1 41.entry
If the above URL wraps and you want a shorter URL for the entry:
http://tinyurl.com/9yxbs
--
Gregory A. Beamer
*************** *************** *************** **
Think Outside the Box!
*************** *************** *************** **
DISCLAIMER
---------------
Please note that, as an MVP, I am not a Microsoft employee and I am only
going from the information on their public site. My providing links to this
information is to provide information for those who are confused about Team
System.
Also note that volume licensing is different; if you are a volume license
customer, the deals may be different, so consult your sales person.
-------------------------------------------------
YOUR QUESTIONS Will visual studio team suite 2005 be free if I purchase the universal
subscription???
If you get Universal now, you get a free upgrade to one of the Team System
SKUs: Developer, Architect or Tester. You have the option, until June 30,
2006 to add Suite for $1200 per subscription. The other option, as I
understand it, would be one Team Suite and adding CALs for TFS (Team
Foundation Server) the non Suite versions. Universal subscriptions will not
be offered some time after release of Visual Studio (launch = Nov 7th).
that would be a difference of almost 8000 euro's :-s
Not quite 8,000 euros, as there is an upgrade if you want the full suite,
but still a significant savings.
can you show me where this is said? that 2005 will be free with a
universal
subscription.
There is a Team System Developer, Tester or Architect free transition path.
The Suite is an additional cost. My major source of info is:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/howtobuy/v...ns/transition/
(Tiny URL http://tinyurl.com/bstdj)
There is also a transition FAQ located here (will add to blog later):
http://msdn.microsoft.com/howtobuy/v...q/default.aspx
(Tiny URL http://tinyurl.com/7oosu)
Hope this helps.
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Gregory A. Beamer
MVP; MCP: +I, SE, SD, DBA
*************** *************** *************** **
Think Outside the Box!
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"interwande rer" <in***********@ discussions.mic rosoft.com> wrote in message
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Will visual studio team suite 2005 be free if I purchase the universal
subscription???
that would be a difference of almost 8000 euro's :-s
can you show me where this is said? that 2005 will be free with a
universal
subscription.
thx
"Cowboy (Gregory A. Beamer)" wrote:
There seems to be a lot of confusion on the versions of Visual Studio
2005.
My latest blog entry covers the different versions:
Main URL:
http://spaces.msn.com/members/gregorybeamer/Blog/cns!1ptsyfBgfiU msaQCul95SOyg!1 41.entry
If the above URL wraps and you want a shorter URL for the entry:
http://tinyurl.com/9yxbs
--
Gregory A. Beamer
*************** *************** *************** **
Think Outside the Box!
*************** *************** *************** **
It would be less confusing if MS wouldn't take the middle road on
customization. Either offer small, medium, large versions of VS or let me
pick and choose which individual features I want; this stuff with "If you
have *this* version, you get Team System, but this one gets you Visual
SourceSafe; this one gets you Visio, this one gets you Whitehorse; This one
lets you write full applications but only deploy them one way while this one
lets me write an installer for it. Nice to modularize the system, but when
MS chose the categories, they made them very rigid with some odd overlaps
(and lack thereofs); it's like a newly expanded menu that only has combo
meals, but no combo like *I* want.
I would not disagree with you on this point, but I can understand why the
first release of Whitehorse functionality is fairly well constrained. It is
hard to offer cafeteria plans in software until you have the functionality
finished.
In some ways, the Team offerings are compartmentaliz ed, as you can add
different roles to a single machine. Unfortunately, it is a more expensive
route than just getting Team Suite, so it is not the wisest direction.
Having installers that could add in the different roles would be a nice step
in the direction you envision.
What is nice about Visual Studio 2005 is the fact that the levels are more
flexible than 2003. Express is very lightweight, Standard gives more
flexibility, but is still fairly lightweight, Pro gives you the entire IDE
and Team System Roles and Suite add on functionality.
I would definitely express your feedback to Microsoft. If enough customers
ask for more variety in their happy meals, there is a good chance you will
see these offerings in the future.
--
Gregory A. Beamer
MVP; MCP: +I, SE, SD, DBA
*************** *************** *************** **
Think Outside the Box!
*************** *************** *************** **
"Keith Patrick" <ri************ *******@hotmail .com> wrote in message
news:ux******** *******@tk2msft ngp13.phx.gbl.. . It would be less confusing if MS wouldn't take the middle road on
customization. Either offer small, medium, large versions of VS or let me
pick and choose which individual features I want; this stuff with "If you
have *this* version, you get Team System, but this one gets you Visual
SourceSafe; this one gets you Visio, this one gets you Whitehorse; This
one lets you write full applications but only deploy them one way while
this one lets me write an installer for it. Nice to modularize the
system, but when MS chose the categories, they made them very rigid with
some odd overlaps (and lack thereofs); it's like a newly expanded menu
that only has combo meals, but no combo like *I* want.
"Keith Patrick" <ri************ *******@hotmail .com> wrote... It would be less confusing if MS wouldn't take the middle road on
customization. Either offer small, medium, large versions of VS or let me
pick and choose which individual features I want; this stuff with "If you
have *this* version, you get Team System, but this one gets you Visual
SourceSafe; this one gets you Visio, this one gets you Whitehorse; This
one lets you write full applications but only deploy them one way while
this one lets me write an installer for it. Nice to modularize the
system, but when MS chose the categories, they made them very rigid with
some odd overlaps (and lack thereofs); it's like a newly expanded menu
that only has combo meals, but no combo like *I* want.
Agreed. Each edition of Visual Studio is too broad for my needs, but I don't
get to the advanced features I want in my limited scope till I get to the
most expensive bundles in the hierarchy, at which point I'm paying hundreds
of pounds for features I'll never use.
Why can't I just buy Visual C++, without a "streamline d" user experience (I
think - no idea what that's supposed to mean, and I've used all the beta
editions!), without web or mobile development targets, no database or XML
stuff, but with full macro and addin support, source control integration
(but not necessarily coming with SourceSafe), a 64-bit C++ compiler, and
with decent profiling tools including PGO?
--
Andrew
re: Why can't I just buy Visual C++, without a "streamline d" user experience
Isn't that the same as Visual C++ Express ?
http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/expres...c/default.aspx
Juan T. Llibre, ASP.NET MVP
ASP.NET FAQ : http://asp.net.do/faq/
Foros de ASP.NET en Español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
=============== =============== ========
"Andrew McDonald" <my************ *@no-spam-thanks.hotmail. com> wrote in message
news:Oz******** ********@TK2MSF TNGP09.phx.gbl. .. "Keith Patrick" <ri************ *******@hotmail .com> wrote...
It would be less confusing if MS wouldn't take the middle road on customization.
Either offer small, medium, large versions of VS or let me pick and choose which
individual features I want; this stuff with "If you have *this* version, you get Team
System, but this one gets you Visual SourceSafe; this one gets you Visio, this one gets
you Whitehorse; This one lets you write full applications but only deploy them one way
while this one lets me write an installer for it. Nice to modularize the system, but
when MS chose the categories, they made them very rigid with some odd overlaps (and
lack thereofs); it's like a newly expanded menu that only has combo meals, but no combo
like *I* want.
Agreed. Each edition of Visual Studio is too broad for my needs, but I don't get to the
advanced features I want in my limited scope till I get to the most expensive bundles in
the hierarchy, at which point I'm paying hundreds of pounds for features I'll never use.
Why can't I just buy Visual C++, without a "streamline d" user experience (I think - no
idea what that's supposed to mean, and I've used all the beta editions!), without web or
mobile development targets, no database or XML stuff, but with full macro and addin
support, source control integration (but not necessarily coming with SourceSafe), a
64-bit C++ compiler, and with decent profiling tools including PGO?
--
Andrew
Close Juan, but not quite. Why can't I just buy Visual C++, without a "streamline d" user experience
This is Express
without web or mobile development targets,
Still Express
no database or XML stuff,
Still Express
but with full macro and addin support, source control integration
Not in Express
a 64-bit C++ compiler
Not in Express
with decent profiling tools
Not in Express
--
Gregory A. Beamer
MVP; MCP: +I, SE, SD, DBA
*************** *************** *************** **
Think Outside the Box!
*************** *************** *************** **
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@ nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:ed******** ******@tk2msftn gp13.phx.gbl... re: Why can't I just buy Visual C++, without a "streamline d" user experience
Isn't that the same as Visual C++ Express ?
http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/expres...c/default.aspx
Juan T. Llibre, ASP.NET MVP
ASP.NET FAQ : http://asp.net.do/faq/
Foros de ASP.NET en Español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
=============== =============== ========
"Andrew McDonald" <my************ *@no-spam-thanks.hotmail. com> wrote in
message news:Oz******** ********@TK2MSF TNGP09.phx.gbl. .. "Keith Patrick" <ri************ *******@hotmail .com> wrote...
It would be less confusing if MS wouldn't take the middle road on
customization. Either offer small, medium, large versions of VS or let
me pick and choose which individual features I want; this stuff with "If
you have *this* version, you get Team System, but this one gets you
Visual SourceSafe; this one gets you Visio, this one gets you
Whitehorse; This one lets you write full applications but only deploy
them one way while this one lets me write an installer for it. Nice to
modularize the system, but when MS chose the categories, they made them
very rigid with some odd overlaps (and lack thereofs); it's like a newly
expanded menu that only has combo meals, but no combo like *I* want.
Agreed. Each edition of Visual Studio is too broad for my needs, but I
don't get to the advanced features I want in my limited scope till I get
to the most expensive bundles in the hierarchy, at which point I'm paying
hundreds of pounds for features I'll never use.
Why can't I just buy Visual C++, without a "streamline d" user experience
(I think - no idea what that's supposed to mean, and I've used all the
beta editions!), without web or mobile development targets, no database
or XML stuff, but with full macro and addin support, source control
integration (but not necessarily coming with SourceSafe), a 64-bit C++
compiler, and with decent profiling tools including PGO?
--
Andrew
I understand this, as well, as it would be nice to have a full cafeteria
plan of products. I do not, however, believe this is fully realistic in the
first iteration, esp. when the product is part of a long line of products
(evolution, not revolution).
Visual Studio has been around a long time and has gotten more flexible. It
is not quite ready for a mold your own version. I am not sure the software
industry, outside of open source, is ready for a piecemeal, build your own,
type of model. It will likely get there some day, but it will only continue
if it is cost effective, which means enough people will have to support the
model. If it simply becomes an easier way to P&P pirate software, it will
die out.
--
Gregory A. Beamer
MVP; MCP: +I, SE, SD, DBA
*************** *************** *************** **
Think Outside the Box!
*************** *************** *************** **
"Andrew McDonald" <my************ *@no-spam-thanks.hotmail. com> wrote in
message news:Oz******** ********@TK2MSF TNGP09.phx.gbl. .. "Keith Patrick" <ri************ *******@hotmail .com> wrote...
It would be less confusing if MS wouldn't take the middle road on
customization. Either offer small, medium, large versions of VS or let
me pick and choose which individual features I want; this stuff with "If
you have *this* version, you get Team System, but this one gets you
Visual SourceSafe; this one gets you Visio, this one gets you Whitehorse;
This one lets you write full applications but only deploy them one way
while this one lets me write an installer for it. Nice to modularize the
system, but when MS chose the categories, they made them very rigid with
some odd overlaps (and lack thereofs); it's like a newly expanded menu
that only has combo meals, but no combo like *I* want.
Agreed. Each edition of Visual Studio is too broad for my needs, but I
don't get to the advanced features I want in my limited scope till I get
to the most expensive bundles in the hierarchy, at which point I'm paying
hundreds of pounds for features I'll never use.
Why can't I just buy Visual C++, without a "streamline d" user experience
(I think - no idea what that's supposed to mean, and I've used all the
beta editions!), without web or mobile development targets, no database or
XML stuff, but with full macro and addin support, source control
integration (but not necessarily coming with SourceSafe), a 64-bit C++
compiler, and with decent profiling tools including PGO?
--
Andrew
Hmm, now there's a marketing idea:
Visual Studio.Net 2005 A La Cart!
--
HTH,
Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
..Net Developer
A watched clock never boils.
"Cowboy (Gregory A. Beamer)" <No************ @comcast.netNoS pamM> wrote in
message news:eD******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl... I understand this, as well, as it would be nice to have a full cafeteria
plan of products. I do not, however, believe this is fully realistic in the
first iteration, esp. when the product is part of a long line of products
(evolution, not revolution).
Visual Studio has been around a long time and has gotten more flexible. It
is not quite ready for a mold your own version. I am not sure the software
industry, outside of open source, is ready for a piecemeal, build your
own, type of model. It will likely get there some day, but it will only
continue if it is cost effective, which means enough people will have to
support the model. If it simply becomes an easier way to P&P pirate
software, it will die out.
--
Gregory A. Beamer
MVP; MCP: +I, SE, SD, DBA
*************** *************** *************** **
Think Outside the Box!
*************** *************** *************** **
"Andrew McDonald" <my************ *@no-spam-thanks.hotmail. com> wrote in
message news:Oz******** ********@TK2MSF TNGP09.phx.gbl. .. "Keith Patrick" <ri************ *******@hotmail .com> wrote...
It would be less confusing if MS wouldn't take the middle road on
customization. Either offer small, medium, large versions of VS or let
me pick and choose which individual features I want; this stuff with "If
you have *this* version, you get Team System, but this one gets you
Visual SourceSafe; this one gets you Visio, this one gets you
Whitehorse; This one lets you write full applications but only deploy
them one way while this one lets me write an installer for it. Nice to
modularize the system, but when MS chose the categories, they made them
very rigid with some odd overlaps (and lack thereofs); it's like a newly
expanded menu that only has combo meals, but no combo like *I* want.
Agreed. Each edition of Visual Studio is too broad for my needs, but I
don't get to the advanced features I want in my limited scope till I get
to the most expensive bundles in the hierarchy, at which point I'm paying
hundreds of pounds for features I'll never use.
Why can't I just buy Visual C++, without a "streamline d" user experience
(I think - no idea what that's supposed to mean, and I've used all the
beta editions!), without web or mobile development targets, no database
or XML stuff, but with full macro and addin support, source control
integration (but not necessarily coming with SourceSafe), a 64-bit C++
compiler, and with decent profiling tools including PGO?
--
Andrew
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There seems to be a lot of confusion on the versions of Visual Studio 2005.
My latest blog entry covers the different versions:
Main URL:
http://spaces.msn.com/members/gregorybeamer/Blog/cns!1ptsyfBgfiUmsaQCul95SOyg!141.entry
If the above URL wraps and you want a shorter URL for the entry:
http://tinyurl.com/9yxbs
--
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