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The Official ECMAScript Specification

http://www.ecma-international.org/pu...s/Ecma-262.htm

ISO/IEC 16262: ISO Standard of ECMA-262 r3 with Corrections

http://standards.iso.org/ittf/Public...62_2002(E).zip

ECMAScript on Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECMAScript

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DOM Level 1 ECMAScript Binding

http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-DOM-Level-1...e-binding.html

DOM Level 2 ECMAScript Binding

http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-2-HTM...t-binding.html

DOM Level 2 Events

http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-2-Events/events.html

DOM Level 2 Style

http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-2-Style/

DOM Level 3 ECMAScript Binding

http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Cor...t-binding.html

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Mozilla JavaScript 1.5 reference

http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/JavaScript

Online Gecko DOM Reference

http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs..._DOM_Reference

(download)

http://www.mozilla.org/docs/dom/domref.zip

Microsoft (D)HTML Reference

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms533050.aspx

JScript Reference and Main Microsoft Script Site

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hbxc2t98.aspx

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms950396.aspx

Opera Documentation

http://www.opera.com/docs/specs/#ecmascript

http://www.opera.com/docs/specs/js/

http://www.opera.com/docs/specs/js/ecma

ICab's Inscript documentation

http://www.muchsoft.com/inscript/

Safari JavaScriptCore documentation

(nothing)

Netscape 4 JavaScript (reproduced by Sun Microsystems, Inc.)

http://docs.sun.com/source/816-6408-10/

Index of Archived Netscape 4 JavaScript docs online and for download

http://devedge-temp.mozilla.org/libr...1.3/reference/

Archived documentation for MSIE 3.x

http://members.tripod.com/%7Ehousten/download/

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jQuery [English]

http://groups.google.com/group/jquery-en

Prototype & Scriptaculous

http://groups.google.com/group/prototype-scriptaculous

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Developing Dashboard Widgets

http://developer.apple.com/macosx/dashboard.html

Win32 Scripting, Using Scripting to Automate Windows

http://cwashington.netreach.net/

Whitebeam Apache Module - Server Side JavaScript in Apache;

http://www.whitebeam.org/

Digital Mars DMD Script, console and MS Active Script implementation of ECMAScript,
claimed to be faster than other implementations:

http://www.digitalmars.com/dscript/

FESI - a free implementation of ECMAScript in Java

http://www.lugrin.ch/fesi/index.html

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Javascript FAQ site

http://www.faqts.com/knowledge_base/index.phtml/fid/53/
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In comp.lang.javascript message <48***********************@news.sunsite.
dk>, Wed, 8 Oct 2008 23:00:02, FAQ server <ja********@dotinternet.be>
posted:
>Javascript FAQ site

http://www.faqts.com/knowledge_base/index.phtml/fid/53/
Does anyone actually think that one is worth mentioning? And, if and
"FAQ" sites are mentioned, they ought to be among the best.

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Oct 9 '08 #2

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Dr J R Stockton wrote:
In comp.lang.javascript message <48***********************@news.sunsite.
dk>, Wed, 8 Oct 2008 23:00:02, FAQ server <ja********@dotinternet.be>
posted:
>Javascript FAQ site

http://www.faqts.com/knowledge_base/index.phtml/fid/53/

Does anyone actually think that one is worth mentioning?
Tooltip ads are annoying.

The site says that all questions updated on April 4th 2008. A lot of the
questions look old, like NS4.x. I doubt that date is correct.

I'm going to remove it.

Garrett

Oct 10 '08 #3

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On Oct 8, 7:00*pm, "FAQ server" <javascr...@dotinternet.bewrote:
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The Official ECMAScript Specification

http://www.ecma-international.org/pu...s/Ecma-262.htm

* ISO/IEC 16262: ISO Standard of ECMA-262 r3 with Corrections

http://standards.iso.org/ittf/Public...s/c033835_ISO_...

ECMAScript on Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECMAScript

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DOM Level 1 ECMAScript Binding

http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-DOM-Level-1...e-binding.html

DOM Level 2 ECMAScript Binding

http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-2-HTM...t-binding.html

DOM Level 2 Events

http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-2-Events/events.html

DOM Level 2 Style

http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-2-Style/

DOM Level 3 ECMAScript Binding

http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Cor...t-binding.html

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Mozilla JavaScript 1.5 reference

http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/JavaScript

Online Gecko DOM Reference

http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs..._DOM_Reference

(download)

http://www.mozilla.org/docs/dom/domref.zip

Microsoft (D)HTML Reference

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms533050.aspx

JScript Reference and Main Microsoft Script Site

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hbxc2t98.aspx

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms950396.aspx

Opera Documentation

http://www.opera.com/docs/specs/#ecmascript

http://www.opera.com/docs/specs/js/

http://www.opera.com/docs/specs/js/ecma

ICab's Inscript documentation

http://www.muchsoft.com/inscript/

Safari JavaScriptCore documentation

(nothing)

Netscape 4 JavaScript (reproduced by Sun Microsystems, Inc.)

http://docs.sun.com/source/816-6408-10/

Index of Archived Netscape 4 JavaScript docs online and for download

http://devedge-temp.mozilla.org/libr...vascript/1.3/r...

Archived documentation for MSIE 3.x

http://members.tripod.com/%7Ehousten/download/

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jQuery [English]

http://groups.google.com/group/jquery-en

Prototype & Scriptaculous

http://groups.google.com/group/prototype-scriptaculous
These should be removed (or moved to another section.) These are not
JavaScript resources, but links to discussions that revolve around two
very sub-standard scripts. Lumping them in with the ECMAScript specs
and the Mozilla site is just wrong.
>
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Developing Dashboard Widgets

http://developer.apple.com/macosx/dashboard.html

Win32 Scripting, Using Scripting to Automate Windows

http://cwashington.netreach.net/

Whitebeam Apache Module - Server Side JavaScript in Apache;

http://www.whitebeam.org/

Digital Mars DMD Script, console and MS Active Script implementation of ECMAScript,
claimed to be faster than other implementations:

http://www.digitalmars.com/dscript/

FESI - a free implementation of ECMAScript in Java

http://www.lugrin.ch/fesi/index.html

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Javascript FAQ site

http://www.faqts.com/knowledge_base/index.phtml/fid/53/

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*goal is to answer repeated questions, and to offer the content to
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Oct 10 '08 #4

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David Mark wrote:
On Oct 8, 7:00 pm, "FAQ server" <javascr...@dotinternet.bewrote:

>>
jQuery [English]

http://groups.google.com/group/jquery-en

Prototype & Scriptaculous

http://groups.google.com/group/prototype-scriptaculous

These should be removed (or moved to another section.) These are not
JavaScript resources, but links to discussions that revolve around two
very sub-standard scripts. Lumping them in with the ECMAScript specs
and the Mozilla site is just wrong.
>*

The reasoning behind adding those is that usage of javascript library is
frequently asked, if not the poster's subject itself. I am planning on
including some text there along the lines of:

<p>
The following javascript libraries not endorsed by this group. If you
are looking for help using a library, visit that library's discussion
group.
</p>
[list]

<p>
Discussion of how the library works is on topic for discussion.
</p>

Unfortunately I have to change the XML and the scripts that process them
so that I can have that.

A lot of the time the poster doesn't ask about the library itself, but
may post up code that looks like jQuery or mention jQuery and Prototype
in the message. It stands to reason that they're looking for help in the
wrong place.

Garrett
Oct 10 '08 #5

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dhtml wrote:
Dr J R Stockton wrote:
>[...] FAQ server [...] posted:
>>Javascript FAQ site

http://www.faqts.com/knowledge_base/index.phtml/fid/53/
Does anyone actually think that one is worth mentioning?

Tooltip ads are annoying.
Yes, but people have to make a living.
The site says that all questions updated on April 4th 2008. A lot of the
questions look old, like NS4.x.
So what? Most frequently asked questions and most good answers to them are
rather old. For example, I can't even remember when I read the SOP question
first -- seems like ages ago.
I doubt that date is correct.
The date is completely irrelevant as long it does contain good answers.
I'm going to remove it.
I'd rather you wouldn't. It contains a number of useful FAQ entries,
especially those from Martin Honnen about cross-browser scripting
(DOM, XHR, MSXML etc.)
PointedEars
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will want to steal it.)
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Oct 10 '08 #6

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dhtml wrote:
David Mark wrote:
>"FAQ server" wrote:
>>jQuery [English]

http://groups.google.com/group/jquery-en

Prototype & Scriptaculous

http://groups.google.com/group/prototype-scriptaculous
These should be removed (or moved to another section.) These are not
JavaScript resources, but links to discussions that revolve around two
very sub-standard scripts. Lumping them in with the ECMAScript specs
and the Mozilla site is just wrong.

The reasoning behind adding those is that usage of javascript library is
frequently asked, if not the poster's subject itself. I am planning on
including some text there along the lines of:

<pThe following javascript libraries not endorsed by this group.
Since there are followers of those here (if misguided ones), that statement
would be incorrect.
If you are looking for help using a library, visit that library's
discussion group. </p>
I would consider that bad advice in two regards. First, it is _not_ that
the mentioned libraries are *libraries* that cause the trouble with them
here, but that they are *sub-standard* libraries, which is a rather polite
way of putting it (I prefer to call them "junk" instead). Second, it turns
out that the "discussion groups" for the library are but an example of blind
leading the blind -- how can any good advice come from there?
A lot of the time the poster doesn't ask about the library itself, but
may post up code that looks like jQuery or mention jQuery and Prototype
in the message. It stands to reason that they're looking for help in the
wrong place.
NAK. IMO they have come to the right place but they do not know it yet --
the place where they ought to be told that they are misguided, that they
have been deceived, and why (if brief) instead of just being sent away.
That way one can at least hope for the junk to disappear one day. It would
still cause noise (it'll do that anyway, those people just don't read FAQs
before posting), but I could live with it.
PointedEars
--
Use any version of Microsoft Frontpage to create your site.
(This won't prevent people from viewing your source, but no one
will want to steal it.)
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Oct 10 '08 #7

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Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
dhtml wrote:
>David Mark wrote:
>>"FAQ server" wrote:
jQuery [English]

http://groups.google.com/group/jquery-en

Prototype & Scriptaculous

http://groups.google.com/group/prototype-scriptaculous
These should be removed (or moved to another section.) These are not
JavaScript resources, but links to discussions that revolve around two
very sub-standard scripts. Lumping them in with the ECMAScript specs
and the Mozilla site is just wrong.
The reasoning behind adding those is that usage of javascript library is
frequently asked, if not the poster's subject itself. I am planning on
including some text there along the lines of:

<pThe following javascript libraries not endorsed by this group.

Since there are followers of those here (if misguided ones), that statement
would be incorrect.
There may be individuals who support any number of things. Following and
endorsing are different things.

This is a good place to discuss the design of jQuery, not how to use
jQuery.

>If you are looking for help using a library, visit that library's
discussion group. </p>

I would consider that bad advice in two regards. First, it is _not_ that
the mentioned libraries are *libraries* that cause the trouble with them
here, but that they are *sub-standard* libraries, which is a rather polite
way of putting it (I prefer to call them "junk" instead). Second, it turns
out that the "discussion groups" for the library are but an example of blind
leading the blind -- how can any good advice come from there?
>A lot of the time the poster doesn't ask about the library itself, but
may post up code that looks like jQuery or mention jQuery and Prototype
in the message. It stands to reason that they're looking for help in the
wrong place.

NAK. IMO they have come to the right place but they do not know it yet --
the place where they ought to be told that they are misguided, that they
have been deceived, and why (if brief) instead of just being sent away.
That way one can at least hope for the junk to disappear one day. It would
still cause noise (it'll do that anyway, those people just don't read FAQs
before posting), but I could live with it.

It is true that those posters seem less likely to read the FAQ.

While there is value in learning javascript, not everyone wants that.

However, for posters who come here asking for nothing more than help
using jQuery, you recommend telling them that it is junk. But only
after they ask (which they frequently do) and not ahead of time.

Those who want to learn and discuss javascript have come to the right
place. CLJ appears to be fairly often mistaken for a place to ask
questions on how to make something work using jQuery. I think this is a
bad thing.

I might rather have something up at the top where it talks about what
CLJ is about.

This recent poster:
| But I am a non-Web programmer trying to get a prototype
| together /fast/ for a demo so there is not time to go to
| school on JS and JQuery is working for us.

- is not here to learn. He has stated his goals clearly and he clearly
has no intention of changing them.

However posts that discuss the merits, shortcomings and design, such as:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp....e?dmode=source

Are very on-topic.

Garrett
PointedEars
Oct 11 '08 #8

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dhtml wrote:
Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>dhtml wrote:
>><pThe following javascript libraries not endorsed by this group.
Since there are followers of those here (if misguided ones), that statement
would be incorrect.

There may be individuals who support any number of things. Following and
endorsing are different things.
You will find those people readily endorse what they follow because they
don't know what they are doing.
This is a good place to discuss the design of jQuery, not how to use
jQuery.
No argument there. However, it should be the place to tell people why it is
bad so that they might reconsider.
However, for posters who come here asking for nothing more than help
using jQuery, you recommend telling them that it is junk. But only
after they ask (which they frequently do) and not ahead of time.
I'd rather there were a section in the FAQ that explains (if brief) why I
tell them it's junk, that I can point them to, so as not to waste time
explaining it all over again. I have been considering to start a project
that does that by myself, however for the time being a FAQ entry would suffice.
PointedEars
--
Anyone who slaps a 'this page is best viewed with Browser X' label on
a Web page appears to be yearning for the bad old days, before the Web,
when you had very little chance of reading a document written on another
computer, another word processor, or another network. -- Tim Berners-Lee
Oct 11 '08 #9

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In comp.lang.javascript message <48**************@PointedEars.de>, Sat,
11 Oct 2008 01:23:05, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <Po*********@web.de>
posted:
>
I'd rather you wouldn't. It contains a number of useful FAQ entries,
especially those from Martin Honnen about cross-browser scripting
(DOM, XHR, MSXML etc.)
That is an inappropriate criterion. A leavening of Honnen is not of
itself sufficient to justify citing, as a FAQ reference, a site which
has as large a proportion of rubbish as my sampling has indicated.

Martin can always put that material somewhere with a higher average
standard.

aside : S/and/any/ in my first post in this thread.

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Oct 11 '08 #10

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Dr J R Stockton wrote:
In comp.lang.javascript message <48**************@PointedEars.de>, Sat,
11 Oct 2008 01:23:05, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <Po*********@web.de>
posted:
>I'd rather you wouldn't. It contains a number of useful FAQ entries,
especially those from Martin Honnen about cross-browser scripting
(DOM, XHR, MSXML etc.)

That is an inappropriate criterion. A leavening of Honnen is not of
itself sufficient to justify citing, as a FAQ reference, a site which
has as large a proportion of rubbish as my sampling has indicated.
I agree.

I also believe that the date of April 4 2008 is wrong. Having a wrong
date is misleading. It makes the content seem current. It is stale.
Martin can always put that material somewhere with a higher average
standard.
Good questions and answers can be added to improve CLJ FAQ.

Garrett

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Oct 12 '08 #11

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Dr J R Stockton wrote:
Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn posted:
>I'd rather you wouldn't. It contains a number of useful FAQ entries,
especially those from Martin Honnen about cross-browser scripting
(DOM, XHR, MSXML etc.)

That is an inappropriate criterion. A leavening of Honnen is not of
itself sufficient to justify citing, as a FAQ reference, a site which
has as large a proportion of rubbish as my sampling has indicated.
As you could have noticed, I mentioned several articles of which only some
happened to be written by Martin Honnen as a reason not to exclude this FAQ
archive from being referred to by the c.l.js FAQ.
Martin can always put that material somewhere with a higher average
standard.
You are making the same fallacy that you have falsely accused me with.
Besides, yes he may write better stuff, but why waste good material just in
the hope that better might come? If we followed your reasoning, we could
get the c.l.js FAQ offline now because it could be done better.
PointedEars
--
Prototype.js was written by people who don't know javascript for people
who don't know javascript. People who don't know javascript are not
the best source of advice on designing systems that use javascript.
-- Richard Cornford, cljs, <f8*******************@news.demon.co.uk>
Oct 12 '08 #12

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dhtml wrote:
Dr J R Stockton wrote:
>Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn posted:
>>I'd rather you wouldn't. It contains a number of useful FAQ entries,
especially those from Martin Honnen about cross-browser scripting
(DOM, XHR, MSXML etc.)
That is an inappropriate criterion. A leavening of Honnen is not of
itself sufficient to justify citing, as a FAQ reference, a site which
has as large a proportion of rubbish as my sampling has indicated.

I agree.
Then you are even more foolish that I thought.
I also believe that the date of April 4 2008 is wrong. Having a wrong
date is misleading. It makes the content seem current. It is stale.
You do not seem to understand that it does not matter for the quality of a
FAQ archive how old the answers it provides are, but how helpful they are.
And it is not (only) up to Dr J Stockton, arguably maybe knowledgable in the
matters discussed there, to make that assessment, but that of the people who
need to use this reference.
>Martin can always put that material somewhere with a higher average
standard.

Good questions and answers can be added to improve CLJ FAQ.
Waste not, want not.
PointedEars
--
Prototype.js was written by people who don't know javascript for people
who don't know javascript. People who don't know javascript are not
the best source of advice on designing systems that use javascript.
-- Richard Cornford, cljs, <f8*******************@news.demon.co.uk>
Oct 12 '08 #13

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Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
Dr J R Stockton wrote:
>Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn posted:
>>I'd rather you wouldn't. It contains a number of useful FAQ entries,
especially those from Martin Honnen about cross-browser scripting
(DOM, XHR, MSXML etc.)
That is an inappropriate criterion. A leavening of Honnen is not of
itself sufficient to justify citing, as a FAQ reference, a site which
has as large a proportion of rubbish as my sampling has indicated.

As you could have noticed, I mentioned several articles of which only some
happened to be written by Martin Honnen as a reason not to exclude this FAQ
archive from being referred to by the c.l.js FAQ.
Lets take a look at the top 10 questions on that page. Link:
http://www.faqts.com/knowledge_base/index.phtml/fid/53/
1. What is the difference between JavaScript, JScript and ECMAScript?
- Already answered on CLJ FAQ. The answer includes old link to ecma.ch
and spam link to http://www.nighthawks.co.in (not related!)

2. Where can I get a JavaScript interpreter?
- Anyone asking this question already knows enough about javascript.
Does not include information about other JS engines.

3. How can I send request back to the server after receiving a response
automatically without submitting my requesting page?
- Answer: Useless, possibly spam.

4. How to send data from servlet to javascript variables?
- Using an Applet might not be the best solution for that problem.

5. Clipboard item is not there after a close a window that was created
with open...write... IE only. Is there anything I can do ?
- Answer: I got this code from...[poorly authored, messy code]...No
guarantee of course, but it should work.

6. How do you change the margins and fonts just for printing.
- not a JavaScript question. Answer should include media attribute on
link.

7. How can we log user interactions on a web site using event handlers
and cookies? Refer to [link]
- Answer: use: http://www .theCounter.com/, then "Using a switch
statement in conjunction with a number of arrays with incrementing
counters, then saving the counters to a text file prepared on FrontPage
may be a good approach. I wont try it myself, mainly because I am too lazy"

8. Can firewalls/proxies be used to disable JavaScript? Where can I get
some information about that?
- Answer: Yes, firewalls and proxies can be configured to block
JavaScript. The proxy or firewall reads through the HTML and strips out
JavaScript code.

9. I need to pass a global variable javascript to html form. I have 4or5
variables but need to pass one.
- Anwser:

| I always put it into a hidden field with an onsubmit on the form:
| <script language=javascript>
| var myVar = 3
| ...
| </script>
|
| ...
|
| <form name=test action="catchinfo.html" --
| onsubmit="this.myvarfield.value=myVar;">
| <input type=text name=yourname>
| <input type=hidden name=myvarfield>
| </form>

Not a good example, but will work.

10. How can I get javascript to determine a browsers font setting and
alter it to whatever I choose so that my site is cross-browser/font size
compatible.

The barely literate example is followed by:-

| <script language="JavaScript"><!--
| function screenres(){
| if (window.screen.width=='600') {
| location.href = '600.html'; }
| else {
| if (window.screen.width=='800')
| location.href = '800.html';
| else if (window.screen.width=='1024')
| location.href = '1024.html';
| else if (window.screen.width>'1024')
| location.href = 'other.html';
| }
| }
| //--></script>
|
| </head>
| <body onload="screenRes()">
|
These are not good answers.

Some answers look quite dated. "Netscape's JavaScript", has not been
current for at least 6 years but they're dated with a date of this year.

The site is super slow and has popup tooltip ads that get in the way of
getting the outdated information.
>Martin can always put that material somewhere with a higher average
standard.

You are making the same fallacy that you have falsely accused me with.
Besides, yes he may write better stuff, but why waste good material just in
the hope that better might come? If we followed your reasoning, we could
get the c.l.js FAQ offline now because it could be done better.
What did I accuse you of?
>
PointedEars

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Oct 12 '08 #14

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Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
Dr J R Stockton wrote:
>Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn posted:
>>I'd rather you wouldn't. It contains a number of useful FAQ entries,
especially those from Martin Honnen about cross-browser scripting
(DOM, XHR, MSXML etc.)
That is an inappropriate criterion. A leavening of Honnen is not of
itself sufficient to justify citing, as a FAQ reference, a site which
has as large a proportion of rubbish as my sampling has indicated.

As you could have noticed, I mentioned several articles of which only some
happened to be written by Martin Honnen as a reason not to exclude this FAQ
archive from being referred to by the c.l.js FAQ.
Lets take a look at the top 10 questions on that page. Link:
http://www.faqts.com/knowledge_base/index.phtml/fid/53/
1. What is the difference between JavaScript, JScript and ECMAScript?
- Already answered on CLJ FAQ. The answer includes old link to ecma.ch
and spam link to http://www.nighthawks.co.in (not related!)

2. Where can I get a JavaScript interpreter?
- Anyone asking this question already knows enough about javascript.
Does not include information about other JS engines.

3. How can I send request back to the server after receiving a response
automatically without submitting my requesting page?
- Answer: Useless, possibly spam.

4. How to send data from servlet to javascript variables?
- Using an Applet might not be the best solution for that problem.

5. Clipboard item is not there after a close a window that was created
with open...write... IE only. Is there anything I can do ?
- Answer: I got this code from...[poorly authored, messy code]...No
guarantee of course, but it should work.

6. How do you change the margins and fonts just for printing.
- not a JavaScript question. Answer should include media attribute on
link.

7. How can we log user interactions on a web site using event handlers
and cookies? Refer to [link]
- Answer: use: http://www .theCounter.com/, then "Using a switch
statement in conjunction with a number of arrays with incrementing
counters, then saving the counters to a text file prepared on FrontPage
may be a good approach. I wont try it myself, mainly because I am too lazy"

8. Can firewalls/proxies be used to disable JavaScript? Where can I get
some information about that?
- Answer: Yes, firewalls and proxies can be configured to block
JavaScript. The proxy or firewall reads through the HTML and strips out
JavaScript code.

9. I need to pass a global variable javascript to html form. I have 4or5
variables but need to pass one.
- Anwser:

| I always put it into a hidden field with an onsubmit on the form:
| <script language=javascript>
| var myVar = 3
| ...
| </script>
|
| ...
|
| <form name=test action="catchinfo.html" --
| onsubmit="this.myvarfield.value=myVar;">
| <input type=text name=yourname>
| <input type=hidden name=myvarfield>
| </form>

Not a good example, but will work.

10. How can I get javascript to determine a browsers font setting and
alter it to whatever I choose so that my site is cross-browser/font size
compatible.

The barely literate example is followed by:-

| <script language="JavaScript"><!--
| function screenres(){
| if (window.screen.width=='600') {
| location.href = '600.html'; }
| else {
| if (window.screen.width=='800')
| location.href = '800.html';
| else if (window.screen.width=='1024')
| location.href = '1024.html';
| else if (window.screen.width>'1024')
| location.href = 'other.html';
| }
| }
| //--></script>
|
| </head>
| <body onload="screenRes()">
|
These are not good answers.

Some answers look quite dated. "Netscape's JavaScript", has not been
current for at least 6 years but they're dated with a date of this year.

The site is super slow and has popup tooltip ads that get in the way of
getting the outdated information.
>Martin can always put that material somewhere with a higher average
standard.

You are making the same fallacy that you have falsely accused me with.
Besides, yes he may write better stuff, but why waste good material just in
the hope that better might come? If we followed your reasoning, we could
get the c.l.js FAQ offline now because it could be done better.
What did I accuse you of?
>
PointedEars

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Oct 12 '08 #15

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In comp.lang.javascript message <48**************@PointedEars.de>, Sun,
12 Oct 2008 12:51:13, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <Po*********@web.de>
posted:
>dhtml wrote:
>Dr J R Stockton wrote:
>>Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn posted:
I'd rather you wouldn't. It contains a number of useful FAQ entries,
especially those from Martin Honnen about cross-browser scripting
(DOM, XHR, MSXML etc.)
That is an inappropriate criterion. A leavening of Honnen is not of
itself sufficient to justify citing, as a FAQ reference, a site which
has as large a proportion of rubbish as my sampling has indicated.

I agree.

Then you are even more foolish that I thought.
>I also believe that the date of April 4 2008 is wrong. Having a wrong
date is misleading. It makes the content seem current. It is stale.

You do not seem to understand that it does not matter for the quality of a
FAQ archive how old the answers it provides are, but how helpful they are.
And it is not (only) up to Dr J Stockton, arguably maybe knowledgable in the
matters discussed there, to make that assessment, but that of the people who
need to use this reference.
The R is not to be omitted after the J, O discourteous one.

Since you manifestly do not need to read such FAQs, you have indicated
in your last quoted sentence that your assessments of such matters are
of negligible significance, in your own opinion. I concur.
There's nothing wrong with old information, if still valid; but giving
it a new date can be misleading, unless it has at that date been
reviewed for updating. (So I'd prefer Bart not to date the subjects of
his daily FAQ posts.)

Where a set of information shows recent dates, readers may be led to
believe that the information set, as a whole, includes recent
information.

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Oct 12 '08 #16

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In comp.lang.javascript message <48**************@PointedEars.de>, Sun,
12 Oct 2008 12:44:42, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <Po*********@web.de>
posted:
>Dr J R Stockton wrote:
>Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn posted:
>>I'd rather you wouldn't. It contains a number of useful FAQ entries,
especially those from Martin Honnen about cross-browser scripting
(DOM, XHR, MSXML etc.)

That is an inappropriate criterion. A leavening of Honnen is not of
itself sufficient to justify citing, as a FAQ reference, a site which
has as large a proportion of rubbish as my sampling has indicated.

As you could have noticed, I mentioned several articles of which only some
happened to be written by Martin Honnen as a reason not to exclude this FAQ
archive from being referred to by the c.l.js FAQ.
>Martin can always put that material somewhere with a higher average
standard.

You are making the same fallacy that you have falsely accused me with.
Besides, yes he may write better stuff, but why waste good material just in
the hope that better might come? If we followed your reasoning, we could
get the c.l.js FAQ offline now because it could be done better.
Martin's good material would not be wasted if it were placed also on a
high-quality site. Indeed, it would gain value thereby. The extension
to anything else good is obvious. While one should copy only one's own
material, the ideas are not protected by copyright and can be re-
expresses elsewhere.
One should not recommend a large source of mostly bad or stale
information just because a little of it is good. Instead, one should
link to the good parts only. Remember that the intended FAQ readership
will lack the discrimination required to pick out the few good bits.

Here's another page NOT to recommend :
<http://www.meanfreepath.com/support/getting_iso_week.html>. The good
news is that the site's ZIPs appear corrupt.

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Oct 12 '08 #17

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Dr J R Stockton wrote:
There's nothing wrong with old information, if still valid; but giving
it a new date can be misleading, unless it has at that date been
reviewed for updating. *(So I'd preferBartnot to date the subjects of
his daily FAQ posts.)
Some might indeed perceive it as a bit awkward that the date is
mentioned at the end of every post.

In the beginning this date was not present. The reason is that
otherwise the subject would remain the same, and that some News
Readers consider messages with a same subject as a same thread (and
thus think that a next post is a reply to a previous one with the same
subject, even if there would be one/more months between them).

I remember I discussed it at that time with Randy. We invented a
unificator for the subject line, which became the date.

--
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Oct 14 '08 #18

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On Oct 14, 8:43*am, Bart Van der Donck <b...@nijlen.comwrote:
Dr J R Stockton wrote:
*(So I'd prefer Bart not to date the subjects of
his daily FAQ posts.)

Some might indeed perceive it as a bit awkward that the date is
mentioned at the end of every post.

In the beginning this date was not present. The reason is that
otherwise the subject would remain the same, and that some News
Readers consider messages with a same subject as a same thread (and
thus think that a next post is a reply to a previous one with the same
subject, even if there would be one/more months between them).
Most new readers will think that date may be an indication of the age
of the contents.

Some newsreaders allow choice of threading by References and threading
by Subject. Mine, IIRC, threads by references but puts threads with
the same subject adjacent.
I suggest that, if a subject change is really wanted, you change the
code to put the absolute daycount. Since your server probably does
not travel widely, new Date()/864e5|0 would work, more briefly.
However, I'd prefer no variable in the Subject, so that repeats of
articles would be seen adjacent; or (but too difficult, I expect) a
genuine number or date, changed when the content changed.

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Oct 14 '08 #19

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VK
I suggest that, if a subject change is really wanted, you change the
code to put the absolute daycount. *Since your server probably does
not travel widely, * new Date()/864e5|0 * would work, more briefly.
However, I'd prefer no variable in the Subject, so that repeats of
articles would be seen adjacent; or (but too difficult, I expect) a
genuine number or date, changed when the content changed.
The Usenet's native search facilities are irrelevant to the current
Internet situation. They are limited (even on the best Usenet servers)
to 90 days to start with with 30 days as the standard de facto. The
most important is to issue the right content headers to ensure the
right search engine indexing. The message subject may contain the
commonly agreed indication of the last commonly agreed release of FAQ
set - that improves dramatically the search results navigation.

About "the oldness of information doesn't make it wrong" and the such
- truly true. The discover of the quantum entanglement of photons
doesn't mean that the Newton laws are not necessary to learn anymore.
At the same time if the most of current requests is coming to the
quantum entanglement then the FAQ should not refer to the 1st (2nd,
3rd) Newton's law "and see further after that in the article". It is
the whole idea of FAQ. For anything else there are Internet archives.

btw, who is the current FAQ Maintainer ?
Oct 14 '08 #20

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Dr J R Stockton wrote:
On Oct 14, 8:43 am, Bart Van der Donck <b...@nijlen.comwrote:
>Dr J R Stockton wrote:
>> (So I'd prefer Bart not to date the subjects of
his daily FAQ posts.)
Some might indeed perceive it as a bit awkward that the date is
mentioned at the end of every post.

In the beginning this date was not present. The reason is that
otherwise the subject would remain the same, and that some News
Readers consider messages with a same subject as a same thread (and
thus think that a next post is a reply to a previous one with the same
subject, even if there would be one/more months between them).

Most new readers will think that date may be an indication of the age
of the contents.
There's two dates: 'created' and 'published'.

The Mon/Wed postings have news headers Subject and Date:
....
+ "\nSubject: " + TitleStr
+ "\nDate: " + new Date().toGMTString()
....

Subject: will only change when index.xml's TITLE, VERSION, or UPDATED
change.
Date: will change every time the message is sent.
Garrett

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Oct 14 '08 #21

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VK wrote:
>I suggest that, if a subject change is really wanted, you change the
code to put the absolute daycount. Since your server probably does
not travel widely, new Date()/864e5|0 would work, more briefly.
However, I'd prefer no variable in the Subject, so that repeats of
articles would be seen adjacent; or (but too difficult, I expect) a
genuine number or date, changed when the content changed.

The Usenet's native search facilities are irrelevant to the current
Internet situation. They are limited (even on the best Usenet servers)
to 90 days to start with with 30 days as the standard de facto.
Provably, you don't have a minimum clue about Usenet, or anything else for
that matter. Go away.
[...] btw, who is the current FAQ Maintainer ?
Fortunately, not you.
PointedEars
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will want to steal it.)
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Oct 14 '08 #22

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Dr J R Stockton wrote:
>Dr J R Stockton wrote:
>>(So I'd prefer Bart not to date the subjects of his daily
FAQ posts.)
[...]
Most new readers will think that date may be an indication of the age
of the contents.
Probably, yes.
Some newsreaders allow choice of threading by References and threading
by Subject. *Mine, IIRC, threads by references but puts threads with
the same subject adjacent.

I suggest that, if a subject change is really wanted, you change the
code to put the absolute daycount. *Since your server probably does
not travel widely, * new Date()/864e5|0 * would work, more briefly.
I believe this would create more confusion to the reader: what does
this number mean ? Why it's there ?
However, I'd prefer no variable in the Subject, so that repeats of
articles would be seen adjacent; or (but too difficult, I expect) a
genuine number or date, changed when the content changed.
Actually I would prefer no variable in the subject line as well. But I
also think that each FAQ message should stand on its own and not be
treated in a same tree when only the subject line is the same.

I am not aware of a Usenet-header that can influence this behaviour.
Normally the 'In-Reply-To:'-header is responsible for the indexing of
the messages, but "very few readers are able to parse the complicated
syntax of In-Reply-To specified by [RFC] 822, let alone the
syntactically incorrect fields that show up in practice" (*). FAQ
server does not use 'In-Reply-To:' because a message is never a
reply.

Personally I think the current workaround is maybe the least bad of
all. But if the group thinks that it should be changed, then this is
obviously no problem.

(*) http://cr.yp.to/immhf/thread.html

--
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Oct 15 '08 #23

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In comp.lang.javascript message <gd**********@registered.motzarella.org>
, Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:21:26, dhtml <dh**********@gmail.composted:
>Dr J R Stockton wrote:
>On Oct 14, 8:43 am, Bart Van der Donck <b...@nijlen.comwrote:
>>Dr J R Stockton wrote:

(So I'd prefer Bart not to date the subjects of
his daily FAQ posts.)
>There's two dates: 'created' and 'published'.

The Mon/Wed postings have news headers Subject and Date:
...
+ "\nSubject: " + TitleStr
+ "\nDate: " + new Date().toGMTString()
...

Subject: will only change when index.xml's TITLE, VERSION, or UPDATED
change.
Date: will change every time the message is sent.
I'm referring to the daily posts - the "FAQ Topic" ones. Those show an
ISO 8601 date in the Subject.

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Oct 15 '08 #24

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On Oct 15, 5:49*am, Bart Van der Donck <b...@nijlen.comwrote:
Dr J R Stockton wrote:
Dr J R Stockton wrote:
(So I'd prefer Bart not to date the subjects of his daily
FAQ posts.)

[...]
Most new readers will think that date may be an indication of the age
of the contents.

Probably, yes.
I suggest that, if a subject change is really wanted, you change the
code to put the absolute daycount. *Since your server probably does
not travel widely, * new Date()/864e5|0 * would work, more briefly.

I believe this would create more confusion to the reader: what does
this number mean ? Why it's there ?
Better to feel confused than to be confidently deceived. They'd soon
see that it was a sequence number for "FAQ Topic" posts.

I am not aware of a Usenet-header that can influence this behaviour.
Normally the 'In-Reply-To:'-header is responsible for the indexing of
the messages, but "very few readers are able to parse the complicated
syntax of In-Reply-To specified by [RFC] 822, let alone the
syntactically incorrect fields that show up in practice" (*). FAQ
server does not use 'In-Reply-To:' because a message is never a
reply.

Fire javascript:alert(document.lastModified) in the address bar of
<http://cr.yp.to/immhf/thread.html>, and see a representation of
2000-02-29; it's a bit old.

More importantly, it is the References header which is used for
threading, with an alternative of Subject line (and, presumably,
date).

I'd _slightly_ prefer each daily article to have its predecessor's M-
ID in its References; but I doubt wherher that would be worth the
effort.

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Oct 15 '08 #25

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Dr J R Stockton wrote:
On Oct 15, 5:49*am, Bart Van der Donck <b...@nijlen.comwrote:
>I am not aware of a Usenet-header that can influence this behaviour.
Normally the 'In-Reply-To:'-header is responsible for the indexing of
the messages, but "very few readers are able to parse the complicated
syntax of In-Reply-To specified by [RFC] 822, let alone the
syntactically incorrect fields that show up in practice" (*). FAQ
server does not use 'In-Reply-To:' because a message is never a
reply.

Fire * javascript:alert(document.lastModified) * in the address bar of
<http://cr.yp.to/immhf/thread.html>, and see a representation of
2000-02-29; it's a bit old.

More importantly, it is the References header which is used for
threading, with an alternative of Subject line (and, presumably,
date).
In so far I understand, the 'References:'-header uses the same
prinicple as 'In-Reply-To:'. If present, the news reader will/should
look for stored articles in the group to which the message refers. And
this would be not good IMHO , since each FAQ post should "invite" for
a (potential) new thread.

I was looking for something like

References: NEWTOPIC
In-Reply-To: NONE

But it doesn't seem to exist. At this point my conclusion would be to
just not mention these two headers. I also checked the new topics in
this newsgroup - it appears they all leave out the 2 headers in
question when it's a new topic.

More info:
'In-Reply-To:': RFC822 section 4.6.2.
'References:': RFC822 section 4.6.3 and RFC1036 section 2.2.5.
I'd _slightly_ prefer each daily article to have its predecessor's M-
ID in its References; but I doubt wherher that would be worth the
effort.
For which goal ? In so far I understand, chances would then become
higher that various messages of FAQ Server would then be indexed in a
same thread. Which is, IMHO, what we want to avoid ?

--
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Oct 16 '08 #26

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In comp.lang.javascript message <a023d98f-167c-4483-96c0-3bb1469f31d3@y7
1g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, Thu, 16 Oct 2008 03:00:04, Bart Van der
Donck <ba**@nijlen.composted:
>
>I'd _slightly_ prefer each daily article to have its predecessor's M-
ID in its References; but I doubt wherher that would be worth the
effort.

For which goal ? In so far I understand, chances would then become
higher that various messages of FAQ Server would then be indexed in a
same thread. Which is, IMHO, what we want to avoid ?
By its predecessor I meant not that of the day before, but the previous
one with more-or-less the same contents. It would then be easier to
look for changes. I've just explored this rather versatile newsreader
and found that I can get essentially that anyway, by a few clicks.

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Oct 16 '08 #27

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VK
On Oct 15, 2:28*am, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedE...@web.de>
wrote:
VK wrote:
I suggest that, if a subject change is really wanted, you change the
code to put the absolute daycount. *Since your server probably does
not travel widely, * new Date()/864e5|0 * would work, more briefly..
However, I'd prefer no variable in the Subject, so that repeats of
articles would be seen adjacent; or (but too difficult, I expect) a
genuine number or date, changed when the content changed.
The Usenet's native search facilities are irrelevant to the current
Internet situation. They are limited (even on the best Usenet servers)
to 90 days to start with with 30 days as the standard de facto.

Provably, you don't have a minimum clue about Usenet, or anything else for
that matter. *Go away.
Dear Tommy, we used to have a good deal I remember: the daddy is home
- the baby is out the comp ;-)
So I am back to clj - so your humble task is back again to comments
over "note XYZ for the paragraph ZYX of the W3C's standard of the year
19??" and similar highly productive stuff. I do not recall you being
anyhow oftenly useful in this group outside of that narrow domain ;-)
Related to the Usenet search - namely the lack of such as such unless
for the most recent posts - I once proposed you to find your own
excellent post in the thread "How are JS numbers represented
internally??" - using Usenet search facilities only. Of course you
couldn't do while it is a trivia over any Usenet web interface. Or you
want to try over again?
[...] btw, who is the current FAQ Maintainer ?

Fortunately, not you.
This I know. This group needs a wiki anyway, and it needs it several
years in the row. I just read current discussions over FAQ topics -
the same endless deadly boring story of "finding the absolutely right
and proper wording" for topics formulated from 12 to 5 years ago.
Nothing against of the current FAQ Maintainer, it is just a native
limitation of the current work frame.
Still, is there a FAQ Maintainer as of now?
Oct 19 '08 #28

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[snipping flamebait by PE and VK]

On 2008-10-19 23:46, VK wrote:
I once proposed you to find your own excellent post in the thread
"How are JS numbers represented internally??" - using Usenet search
facilities only. Of course you couldn't do while it is a trivia over
any Usenet web interface. Or you want to try over again?
Please educate me, what are "Usenet search facilities" (barring
websites, as you said)? Are they related to the WWW's search facilities?
>>btw, who is the current FAQ Maintainer ?
Fortunately, not you.
[...] I just read current discussions over FAQ topics [...]
Still, is there a FAQ Maintainer as of now?
You read the discussions and couldn't figure out who the current FAQ
maintainer is?
*shakeshead*

If you read the thread you're posting in, you'll find out. If you don't
want to read the thread, but insist on replying anyway, you're in the
wrong place.

Apart from all that, I didn't understand the point you were trying to
make about the FAQ. Are you saying that it's not up to date? What do you
think should be changed? And why didn't you post your proposals here?
- Conrad
Oct 19 '08 #29

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On Oct 19, 10:46*pm, VK <schools_r...@yahoo.comwrote:
This I know. This group needs a wiki anyway,
...
From about the middle of last year or earlier until about the middle
of this year there was a programming wiki (Wikicodia; it was
advertised here), with about 50 javascript articles. But, as the
apparent instigators and chief authors were less intelligent than
yourself, you could have learned approximately nothing useful from
it. An information source is only as reliable as its contributors.
Still, is there a FAQ Maintainer as of now?
Yes. That, and his identity, can be discovered by reading the FAQ.

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Oct 20 '08 #30

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VK
On Oct 20, 3:43*pm, Dr J R Stockton <J.R.Stock...@physics.orgwrote:
>>
This I know. This group needs a wiki anyway,
...

From about the middle of last year or earlier until about the middle
of this year there was a programming wiki (Wikicodia; it was
advertised here), with about 50 javascript articles.
Till the spring of this year - before I left for a while - I do no
recall any Wikicodia as a project sustained or even discussed by the
group regulars. I personally once proposed to Randy Webb the
wikihost.org service, see my post at
http://groups.google.com/group/comp....0ed9af0fed03b5
The template is still active and ready to use:
http://wikihost.org/wikis/javascript_faq/
Besides being free it is also hosted in Germany and being run on
German wiki engine: that was specially
made to avoid "US takes all around" accusations once being pronounced
here.
But, as the
apparent instigators and chief authors were less intelligent than
yourself, you could have learned approximately nothing useful from
it. *An information source is only as reliable as its contributors.
Very true. Any wiki is open for acts of vandalism and ignorance. The
protection is the regular one: maximum amount of participants for
timely editing or roll-back - and in extreme cases page lock by
selected admins until NPOV version is found during the discussion.

IMO much worse than any vandalism and ignorance is the isolation of
the materials by a narrow group of individuals. I are / or pretending
to be / in the science domain. So you should know what an isolation of
scientific groups and a prevention of free data exchange may lead to
and what kind of stagnation it causes.
Oct 20 '08 #31

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VK wrote:
On Oct 20, 2:27 am, Conrad Lender wrote:
>>I once proposed to find your own excellent post in the thread
"How are JS numbers represented internally??" - using Usenet search
facilities only. Of course you couldn't do while it is a trivia over
any Usenet web interface. Or you want to try over again?
Please educate me, what are "Usenet search facilities" (barring
websites, as you said)? Are they related to the WWW's search facilities?

That was exactly the point: there are none of such :-)
That you are too inexperienced to know them is not proof that they do not exist.

I'll leave the rest of your incompetent ranting to /dev/null, where it belongs.
PointedEars, f1
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Oct 20 '08 #32

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On 2008-10-20 21:03, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>Please educate me, what are "Usenet search facilities" (barring
websites, as you said)? Are they related to the WWW's search
facilities?

That was exactly the point: there are none of such :-)
That was NOT my point, VK. You said: "Of course you couldn't [find an
article with Usenet's search facilities] while it is a trivia over any
Usenet web interface." The *point* is that the Web offers no advantages
over Usenet in that regard whatsoever. You're completely dependant on
third-party archives for both networks, so preferring one over the other
(for this specific reason) does not make sense.
I also think you're mistaking a feature of newsreader applications for
something you call "Usenet search facilities".

You're correct that forums have diverted some of the traffic from Usenet
to the Web, and (IMHO) that's a good thing. It does not mean that Usenet
is going away anytime soon, or that netiquette can now be ignored.
That you are too inexperienced to know them is not proof that they do
not exist.
Are you saying that either Usenet or the WWW do in fact have "native
search facilities"? If so, kindly point me to a description of these
services.
- Conrad
Oct 20 '08 #33

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In comp.lang.javascript message <a8196758-1687-4c74-883f-5716c4e9e6c4@o4
g2000pra.googlegroups.com>, Mon, 20 Oct 2008 09:57:15, VK
<sc**********@yahoo.composted:
>On Oct 20, 3:43*pm, Dr J R Stockton <J.R.Stock...@physics.orgwrote:
>From about the middle of last year or earlier until about the middle
of this year there was a programming wiki (Wikicodia; it was
advertised here), with about 50 javascript articles.

Till the spring of this year - before I left for a while - I do no
recall any Wikicodia as a project sustained or even discussed by the
group regulars.
I did not say that it had anything to do with group regulars.
>But, as the
apparent instigators and chief authors were less intelligent than
yourself, you could have learned approximately nothing useful from
it.
And that reinforces my assertion above.

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Oct 20 '08 #34

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VK wrote:
On Oct 20, 3:43 pm, Dr J R Stockton <J.R.Stock...@physics.orgwrote:
>>This I know. This group needs a wiki anyway,
...
From about the middle of last year or earlier until about the middle
of this year there was a programming wiki (Wikicodia; it was
advertised here), with about 50 javascript articles.

Till the spring of this year - before I left for a while - I do no
recall any Wikicodia as a project sustained or even discussed by the
group regulars. I personally once proposed to Randy Webb the
wikihost.org service, see my post at
http://groups.google.com/group/comp....0ed9af0fed03b5
The template is still active and ready to use:
http://wikihost.org/wikis/javascript_faq/
Besides being free it is also hosted in Germany and being run on
German wiki engine: that was specially
made to avoid "US takes all around" accusations once being pronounced
here.
The Wikipedia entry for JavaScript could use some help:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaScript
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