I'm developing a web application, that has a left-sided navigation menu and
a centre-right content area. The menu is static and therefore is in an
INCLUDEd file.
I'm wanting to add a link to a context-sensitive help page, and I'd like it
to appear beneath the menu on the left-hand side. However, I'm not sure how
to get it to do this... Also, the menu uses Javascript to expand and
contract each menu section, so this Help link would need to react to this.
The typical page structure is like the following:
<html>
<head>
....etc...
</head>
<body>
<div id="content">
...etc...
</div>
<!-- #include virtual="menu.asp" -->
</body>
</html>
The menu file is like this:
<div id="leftnav">
...Logo...
<div id="menu">
...etc...
<\div>
<\div>
The CSS layout code is as follows:
#leftnav {
position:absolute;
width:200px;
z-index:2;
padding: 10px 0 0 10px;
}
#content {
position:absolute;
left:201px;
padding-left: 20px;
right:24px;
z-index:1;
border-left: 1px green dotted;
}
#menu {
position: relative;
top: 15px;
width: 200px;
color: #000;
background-color: transparent;
}
Can some suggest how I can get this link positioned correctly?
Thanks
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"CJM" <cj******@REMOVEMEyahoo.co.uk> wrote: The menu is static and therefore is in an
INCLUDEd file.
If it's static then using inclusion needlessly causes caching issues. If
by "static" you mean that you want to have the same menu appear on more
than one page and have only one instance of the code to change then you
should consider using S&R or a preprocessor to avoid having to deal with
the caching problem.
I'm wanting to add a link to a context-sensitive help page, and I'd like it
to appear beneath the menu on the left-hand side. However, I'm not sure how
to get it to do this...
One way is to use a link to the help index, and then check the referrer
to serve help related to the page that it was called from. Note that in
some clients may suppress the referrer, in that case the link should
produce the help index.
A better and fully reliable method is to use different links.
Also, the menu uses Javascript to expand and
contract each menu section,
What happens if javascript isn't enabled or available on the client?
so this Help link would need to react to this.
React how?
The typical page structure is like the following:
Post a url to a minimized test case, not code.
position:absolute;
width:200px;
Usually a bad choice, the side panel doesn't adjust in width to
accommodate client side font size variations.
--
Spartanicus
CJM wrote: I'm developing a web application, that has a left-sided navigation menu and
a centre-right content area. The menu is static and therefore is in an
INCLUDEd file.
I'm wanting to add a link to a context-sensitive help page, and I'd like it
to appear beneath the menu on the left-hand side. However, I'm not sure how
to get it to do this... Also, the menu uses Javascript to expand and
contract each menu section, so this Help link would need to react to this.
The typical page structure is like the following:
<html>
No doctype declaration. Now this is important if you want to trigger
modern browsers (MSIE 6, Firefox 1.x, Mozilla 1.x, Opera 7+, Safari 1.x,
etc.) into standards compliant rendering mode, therefore making layout
and rendering as consistent as possible across browsers.
<head>
...etc...
</head>
<body>
<div id="content">
...etc...
</div>
<!-- #include virtual="menu.asp" -->
I would have include the menu before the <div id="content"> for
accessibility reasons. If CSS support is disabled or inexistent in a
user agent, then the created document still remains accessible, more
accessible.
</body>
</html>
The menu file is like this:
<div id="leftnav">
...Logo...
<div id="menu">
...etc...
<\div>
<\div>
The CSS layout code is as follows:
#leftnav {
position:absolute;
width:200px;
Personally, I would prefer %tage for navigation pane so that the page
remains scalable regardless viewport dimensions or viewport resizing or
user agents (like small screen) or media (mobile media).
z-index:2;
z-index is useless here. If div id="leftnav" is properly positioned
regarding div id="content", then there is no need to create stack levels.
padding: 10px 0 0 10px;
}
#content {
position:absolute;
left:201px;
padding-left: 20px;
right:24px;
z-index:1;
border-left: 1px green dotted;
}
#menu {
position: relative;
positioning relatively inside an abs. pos. element does not seem
justified but I can't be sure since you have not provided a full example
or an url. That would have been helpful.
Personally, I would try to avoid having nested pos. elements as much as
possible, furthermore if it's rel. pos. versus abs. pos. Here I am
almost certain you don't need to create a <div id="menu" inside the <div
id="leftnav"
top: 15px;
So the logo (image or text) must be 15 pixels high: that is the
reasonable deduction to reach here.
width: 200px;
color: #000;
background-color: transparent;
}
Can some suggest how I can get this link positioned correctly?
Thanks
Without being able to examine the code? no, it's not possible. An url
would answer many questions we could have.
DU
--
The site said to use Internet Explorer 5 or better... so I switched to
Firefox 1.0.4 :)
DU wrote: CJM wrote:
<div id="content">
...etc...
</div>
<!-- #include virtual="menu.asp" -->
I would have include the menu before the <div id="content"> for
accessibility reasons.
Why?
If CSS support is disabled or inexistent in a
user agent, then the created document still remains accessible, more
accessible.
I don't follow. I don't believe menu positioning within the structure
has all that much to do with accessibility.
BTW, I used to think putting the content first, menu last was best for
accessibility. Now I'm not convinced it makes much difference, except
maybe to search engines. If the user has quick, easy access to various
areas of a page, where specifically these structural elements are isn't
so relevant.
That access may come via in-built browser functionality (e.g.
type-ahead-find in FF/moz, navigation by headings in Opera or Jaws,
etc.) or things like "skip" links and accesskeys, though accesskeys are
a last resort, IMO.
If you know of a study that shows me I'm way off base, I'd surely like
to read it.
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Why?
If CSS support is disabled or inexistent in a
user agent, then the created document still remains accessible, more
accessible.
I don't follow. I don't believe menu positioning within the structure
has all that much to do with accessibility.
BTW, I used to think putting the content first, menu last was best for
accessibility. Now I'm not convinced it makes much difference, except
maybe to search engines. If the user has quick, easy access to various
areas of a page, where specifically these structural elements are isn't
so relevant.
Having the content first, before the navigation always was regarded as more
accessible. Imagine a screen reader listing every menu option before even
covering any content.
Anyway, with respect to Spartanicus and DU, that wasn't the purpose of my
question.
I simply want to know how to position this one link beneath the menu on the
LHS. Redeveloping the entire page.meny layout to achieve this is not an
option - well, at least not at this moment in time. The powers-that-be want
a link to the help file, in that approximate position, NOW(!). I cant really
tell them that I'm taking a week out to redesign the page structure of all
100+ pages.
So given these constraints, can anyone suggest any easy but sensible way of
achieving this given the current constraints?
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