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Just found this little utility over at w3.org. It's interesting to see that
IE6 fails a number of the specification tests. Should this imply that
Microsoft will be putting forth a concerted effort to match the specs in
IE7?

Are there any pertinent articles w/ Microsoft people talking about IE7?
Jul 20 '05 #1
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In article <Cl************ *****@newssvr29 .news.prodigy.c om> in
comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.html, Kevin C. <no****@fake.co m>
wrote:
Just found this little utility over at w3.org. It's interesting to see that
IE6 fails a number of the specification tests. Should this imply that
Microsoft will be putting forth a concerted effort to match the specs in
IE7?


There's not going to be an IE7, at least not as separate product.

And if Microsoft put forth any effort to match public open
standards, it would represent a very large (and welcome) change of
direction by corporate management.

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Cortland County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com/
HTML 4.01 spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/
validator: http://validator.w3.org/
CSS 2 spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/
2.1 changes: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/changes.html
validator: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/
Jul 20 '05 #2
"Kevin C." <no****@fake.co m> wrote in message
news:Cl******** *********@newss vr29.news.prodi gy.com...
Just found this little utility over at w3.org. It's interesting to see that IE6 fails a number of the specification tests. Should this imply that
Microsoft will be putting forth a concerted effort to match the specs in
IE7?

Are there any pertinent articles w/ Microsoft people talking about IE7?


There are two issues here:

1. Better IE support of standards: Microsoft's stated policy for years has
been that it is more interested in responding to customers' needs than with
complying with standards. So you'll only see better IE standards support
when customers demand it.

2. IE 7: the next browser will come with the next version of Windows -- in
2005 or 2006 -- and will not work with current versions of Windows. For
more on this, see http://www.upsdell.com/BrowserNews/b....htm#microsoft

Jul 20 '05 #3
C A Upsdell wrote:

Better IE support of standards: Microsoft's stated policy for years has
been that it is more interested in responding to customers' needs than with
complying with standards. So you'll only see better IE standards support
when customers demand it.


I think the situation is a tad more complicated than MS would have us
believe, but there's little point in arguing with ciwah about the
*stated* policy of MS.

--
Brian
follow the directions in my address to email me

Jul 20 '05 #4
C A Upsdell:
1. Better IE support of standards: Microsoft's stated policy for years has
been that it is more interested in responding to customers' needs than with
complying with standards. So you'll only see better IE standards support
when customers demand it.


In MSIE 6 they corrected lots of things in the CSS support, e.g. the
boxmodel. Was all that because customers demanded it?

--
Bertilo Wennergren <be******@gmx.n et> <http://www.bertilow.co m>

Jul 20 '05 #5
Kevin C. wrote:
Just found this little utility over at w3.org. It's interesting to see
that IE6 fails a number of the specification tests. Should this imply
that Microsoft will be putting forth a concerted effort to match the
specs in IE7?
No. Microsoft will do no such thing unless their dominance on the browser
market is threatened. Hopefully this *can* happen within a few years, see
below, but a safer bet is that the .NET framework will be strengthened on
the clientside, implying a further setback for standards compliance.
Are there any pertinent articles w/ Microsoft people talking about
IE7?


A number of articles targetting IE7 for 2005 is referenced at
<url:http://www.mozillazine .org/talkback.html?a rticle=3244>. A forthcoming
update to IE6, focusing on lowered standard compliance, was announced this
week on <url:http://msdn.microsoft. com/ieupdate/>.

--
Wired Earp
Wunderbyte
Jul 20 '05 #6
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 17:08:34 +0000 (UTC), Wired Earp
<wi************ ***@wunderbyte. com> wrote:
A forthcoming
update to IE6, focusing on lowered standard compliance, was announced this
week on <url:http://msdn.microsoft. com/ieupdate/>.


Could you explain how it's lowered standard compliance?

Jim.
--
comp.lang.javas cript FAQ - http://jibbering.com/faq/

Jul 20 '05 #7
I wrote:
A forthcoming update to IE6, focusing on lowered standard
compliance, was announced this week

Jim Ley wondered: Could you explain how it's lowered standard compliance?
That was mostly just a joke to put things into perspective, but a new non-
validating attribute does seem to be a central modification. Quoting from
<url:http://msdn.microsoft. com/ieupdate/activexchanges. asp#fix_data>
The OBJECT element for an ActiveX control has a new attribute:
NOEXTERNALDATA. Specify true for this attribute to indicate that the
control does not access remote data and that Internet Explorer should
not prompt the user


Referring to the soon to be commonplace prompt-boxes warning the user about
active content - be that Shockwave Flash, Internet Explorer XML extras or
plugin-enabled SVG content - following the Eola lawsuit. By some twist of
things I am actually rather enjoyed by this apparent regression in user
experience. I personally regard Macromedias ActionScript product as a
powerful, imaginative, consistant, fun and cost-effective development
platform, but all the more threatining it is to the advance of more
important technologies. Only browsers with a strong native support of
internet standards will remain unaffected by this commotion, underlining
their head-start on things. Perhaps a transitional period of prompt boxes
will focus developers attention away from non-standard frameworks; perhaps
something positive will emerge if and when Microsoft decides to un-corner
themselves from platform-specific Active-X technologies.
--
Wired Earp
Wunderbyte
Jul 20 '05 #8
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 20:01:40 +0000 (UTC), Wired Earp
<wi************ ***@wunderbyte. com> wrote:
That was mostly just a joke to put things into perspective, but a new non-
validating attribute does seem to be a central modification.


new attributes can be trivially made to validate in a HTML by using
the internal subset, or a different doctype. Such behaviour is not
invalid.

Jim.
--
comp.lang.javas cript FAQ - http://jibbering.com/faq/

Jul 20 '05 #9
Jim Ley wrote:

new attributes can be trivially made to validate in a HTML by using
the internal subset, or a different doctype. Such behaviour is not
invalid.


I'd think it would be more in the spirit of standards for it to be:
<param name="NOEXTERNA LDATA" value="true">

or:
<param name="external_ data" value="false">
Jul 20 '05 #10

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