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Hello,

I have been reading a lot about fonts and I got to the following
conclusions:
1.Use % do define font size
2. Avoid defining font in Body and P tags
3. Avoid using Verdana

I understand the reason of point 1.

Point 2 not sure why is that. Why?

Finally, I really like Verdana. Why should I avoid it using? Because
its size gets to small?
And is there a font similar to verdana that I can use?
Is just that I think Verdana is a really easy font to read and looks
good ... under normal conditions.

Thanks,
Miguel

Nov 18 '07 #1
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On 2007-11-18, shapper wrote:
....
3. Avoid using Verdana
....
Finally, I really like Verdana. Why should I avoid it using? Because
its size gets to small?
And is there a font similar to verdana that I can use?
Is just that I think Verdana is a really easy font to read and looks
good ... under normal conditions.
The problems with Verdana have nothing to do with the font itself.
It has a larger x-height and width than most other fonts, but it
is only slightly larger than Helvetica or Arial.

The problems are the result of misguided attempts to make the font
appear the same size as other fonts by setting its size smaller
(either with the <fonttag, or with font-size in CSS).

Verdana is an attempt to improve on the classic Helvetica font,
solving some of the problems of that font: the similarity of a
capital I and lower-case L, for the 'rn' combination looking too
similar to an 'm', for example.

So long as you don't mess with the font-size, there is no reason
not to use it.

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Nov 18 '07 #2
shapper wrote:
I have been reading a lot about fonts and I got to the following
conclusions:
1.Use % do define font size
2. Avoid defining font in Body and P tags
3. Avoid using Verdana

I understand the reason of point 1.

Point 2 not sure why is that. Why?
You want to place all your presentation in the style sheet, not in the
HTML.
Finally, I really like Verdana. Why should I avoid it using? Because
its size gets to small?
No, because you would probably set its size at 80% (common among authors
who don't know why), and on my computer where there is no Verdana, I see
a fall-back font (a regular-sized font, not the enlarged Verdana) at a
size too small to read comfortably.
And is there a font similar to verdana that I can use?
Is just that I think Verdana is a really easy font to read and looks
good ... under normal conditions.
See: http://k75s.home.att.net/fontsize.html

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-bts
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Nov 18 '07 #3
shapper wrote:
>
1.Use % do define font size
2. Avoid defining font in Body and P tags

Point 2 not sure why is that. Why?
What do you mean by "tags"?

If you are going to set particular fonts you *should* define them in a
CSS selector for the body element. P will inherit fonts from body so
there is no reason to explicitly set them on P.

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Berg
Nov 18 '07 #4
On Nov 18, 6:25 am, Bergamot <berga...@visi. comwrote:
shapper wrote:
1.Use % do define font size
2. Avoid defining font in Body and P tags
Point 2 not sure why is that. Why?

What do you mean by "tags"?

If you are going to set particular fonts you *should* define them in a
CSS selector for the body element. P will inherit fonts from body so
there is no reason to explicitly set them on P.

--
Berg
See "Doing it right" in
http://www.xs4all.nl/~sbpoley/webmatters/fontsize.html

Why should I "avoid specifying a font in CSS for <BODYor <P>"?

Thanks,
Miguel
Nov 18 '07 #5
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m>,
shapper <md*****@gmail. comwrote:
See "Doing it right" in
http://www.xs4all.nl/~sbpoley/webmatters/fontsize.html

Why should I "avoid specifying a font in CSS for <BODYor <P>"?
The context is that if you do not do it, you can't go wrong. Not
that it is bad to do it well.

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dorayme
Nov 18 '07 #6
On Sat, 17 Nov 2007, shapper wrote:
Finally, I really like Verdana. Why should I avoid it using?
You shouldn't - as long as you resist to specify a font size
for BODY or P.
Because its size gets to small?
Only if you define a font size for BODY. The real problem
is that {font-family: Verdana} almost always comes with
{font-size: 80%}. This is especially stupid when the reader
has already chosen Verdana in a suitable size as his
preferred font.

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Nov 19 '07 #7
Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:36:42 +0100 from Andreas Prilop <aprilop2007
@trashmail.net> :
The real problem is that {font-family: Verdana} almost always comes
with {font-size: 80%}. This is especially stupid when the reader
has already chosen Verdana in a suitable size as his preferred
font.
That would apply to any font. It sounds like the argument is against
defining font-size:80%, not against Verdana.

I can't remember the exact reason off hand, but I remember there was
some problem specific to Verdana and not other fonts.

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Nov 19 '07 #8
Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:58:53 -0500 from Jonathan N. Little
<lw*****@centra lva.net>:
Stan Brown wrote:
Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:36:42 +0100 from Andreas Prilop <aprilop2007
@trashmail.net> :
The real problem is that {font-family: Verdana} almost always comes
with {font-size: 80%}. This is especially stupid when the reader
has already chosen Verdana in a suitable size as his preferred
font.
That would apply to any font. It sounds like the argument is against
defining font-size:80%, not against Verdana.

No, what the problem is folks that design with Verdana usually notice
that the text looks too large then style their pages

body { font-size:80%; }
You said "no", but you just agreed: the problem is the 80% font size.

Do you know why 100% Verdana is bad?

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Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com/
HTML 4.01 spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/
validator: http://validator.w3.org/
CSS 2.1 spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/
validator: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/
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Nov 20 '07 #9
Stan Brown meinte:
Do you know why 100% Verdana is bad?
Given the same size (the percentage doesn't matter) Verdana is much
larger than other fonts.

Give it a try on a Windows system: Set up a text block with Verdana and
a size, so that it looks "nice". Then replace Verdana with some other
sans-serif or serif font and keep the size. See what happens.

Gregor

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