On Thu, 4 May 2006 00:20:49 +0300 "W?rm" <no************ *@north.invalid > wrote:
| And I bet you also use hammer to drive in screws, instead of using
| screwdriver. After all, IT can be done.
I make my decisions based on what is practical. YES! I do use a hammer
on a screw ... to pound in just enough of a dent in the wood to keep the
screw stable as the screwdriver turns it into the wood. In extreme cases
I'll even use a drill to drill a hole a bit smaller than the screw core
to avoid causing the wood to split.
But it is NOT practical to use a hammer to drive the screw in all the way
unless you're objective it to just gouge a hole in the wood (someone might
want to do that). On a smaller scale, your dentist may well be doing
something akin to that with the tiny tools used for root canals.
I use TABLE/TR/TD for what those are the most practical solution I can
see at the time.
| You are making issues from anything just because you wanna argue and not use
| elements that have proper semantical meaning.
No.
I use what works most practical. I simply have not seen anything that
is any more practical than using TABLE/TR/TD for 2-D data. If you want
to every show how it is done some other way, maybe I can show you where
your solution doesn't match my problem.
| Like in your linux page, those
| links, they are LISTS of links so use <ul><li><a href="">..</a></li>...</ul>
| structure for those. Those lists had image in top if I recall right, like a
| heading, so maybe use heading for those, etc. Just because you try to twist
| something to be tabular data when it obviously is not, it don't make it
| "proper use of tables".
If you look more closely at the source you'll see that the list of links
is NOT structured in a table. The entire list for a given site, inside
a box for that site, is in ONE cell. There are BR elements to force each
link to a new line ... not TR elements.
An early version DID use UL/LI, but that never came out right. That MAY
be tweakable today, but some things like the bullet size don't seem to
be adjustable. So for now, they are just a list formed in lines with BR.
The page does have two basic levels of tables (with additional levels used
to wedge things into place). The outer level is to organize things into
3 columns ... in a way that stays as 3 columns. The inner level is the big
mess used to create the drop shadow effect. This inner layer is what will
go away soon. I already have it's general replacement done in CSS, and am
working on reorganizing the PHP code before it all goes online.
| Use elements that have proper _SEMANTICAL_ meaning. If you got tabular data
| it's table, for a LIST it is a list etc. When you do not have any element
| that has proper semantical meaning for something, go for DIV or SPAN. Just
| keep it simple.
Show me where a list (there are many separate lists on linuxhomepage.c om)
is being formatted using a table.
| Do not make issues just because you wanna argue.
Why not show what you think is the solution, so you can either prove
someone wrong ... or perhaps have your solution knocked down because
maybe you didn't understand the original problem. There are LAYERS
going on in LHP. The list of links is the 3rd layer. The shadows are
the 2nd layer (though in a correct markup, this shouldn't be a layer).
And the columnization is the 1st layer.
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