Where is the official documentation of what constitutes a minimally
compliant HTML file?
-- http://www.standards.com/; See Howard Kaikow's web site. 54  3944 
Howard Kaikow wrote: Where is the official documentation of what constitutes a minimally
compliant HTML file? http://w3.org/TR/html4/ - although I don't think it is spelt out in so many
words.
At a minimum an HTML 4.01 Strict document must contain the Doctype, a title,
and some content (which much be in a block level element since the body
element[1] cannot hold character data directly).
However, its good practise to include the HTML, HEAD, and BODY tags too
since browsers don't usually implement HTML as an SGML application.
[1] The tags for the body element are optional, but it still exists.
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In article <co************ *******@news.de mon.co.uk>,
David Dorward <do*****@yahoo. com> writes: At a minimum an HTML 4.01 Strict document must contain the Doctype, a title,
and some content
Not *content*, just sufficient *markup* to imply the necessary parts
of a structure.
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"><title//<p/
To the OP: your answer is 42.
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Nick Kew wrote: <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"><title//<p/
Yes, while that is technically valid, the OP should be aware the most
user agents do not support the SHORTTAG syntax used in that example. A
minimally conforming document, that will also be parsed correctly in all
user agents:
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"><title></title><p>
Ignoring the whitespace differences [1] for now, the above is equivalent
to the following, and will produce an identical DOM.
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN">
<html>
<head>
<title></title>
</head>
<body>
<p></p>
</body>
</html>
[1] Note: Whitespace does actually result in a text node within the DOM,
but for the purpose of this example, it can be ignored.
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Lachlan Hunt said the following on 12/04/04 13:47: <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN">
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
To get browsers in Standards Compliance Mode I would add the URL to the
DTD, like the DTD itself says in "Typical usage": http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/sgml/dtd.html
or http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/strict.dtd
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Harrie
I am looking for a formal spec that states the REQUIREMENTS, not the
recommendations .
I ask because I've encountered HTML file that has no DOCTYPE, HTML or BODY
tags and the creator is insisting that such a file is conforming.
On Sat, 4 Dec 2004, Harrie wrote: To get browsers in Standards Compliance Mode I would add the URL to
the DTD,
Yes, but that's a completely different issue. It has nothing at all
to do with whether the HTML document itself is compliant to its DTD.
Don't confuse issues of SGML compliance, which are purely formal, with
details of heuristic behaviour by browsers du jour.
And the decision to (mis)interpret these details of a DTD as being
the author's advertisement of "this is tag-soup" versus "this is real
HTML" can only be described as heuristic, IMNSHO.
like the DTD itself says in "Typical usage":
Erm, to be pedantic, the /comments/ that you find in a DTD are in no
way normative. Some of them are even misleading - see the comment in
the DTD relating to the IMG's ALT attribute - it's in fundamental
contradiction to what the body of the HTML specification says, and the
latter is what the WAI deem to be good practice. Me too, as it
happens.
In case anyone's interested, here is the HTML, with real info replaced.
Could this really be strictly conforming HTML?
------------------------------------------------
<title>Billin g status</title>
<h2>Usage shown for 11/2004</h2>
This only covers a single month, and does not take
into consideration any previous balance.
<br>
(the information displayed may not include any current connections
or connections terminating within the last 25 minutes)
<hr>
<pre>
Account: xxxxxx-yy
Edward Bagels
Edward Bagels
xx yyy zzzz
aaaaaa, bb 12345-6789
Home Phone: (000) 555-1212
FAX:
Billing contact: Edward Bagels
email: no****@ishome.b iz
Discount: ggggg (20.0%)
Created: 87654321
Closed: not
Billing Method: email
Bill To: no****@ishome.b iz
-----
T Name # Usage Level Price Total
I aaaaaaaaaa 229 162:36:17 Normal rr.ss tt.00 -ggggg
created 11111111 closed: not
-----
T Name Level Price Total
W ggggggg/aaaaaaaaaa Standard 0.00 0.00 -ggggg www.aaaaaaaaaa.biz Alias q.00 h.00
created 22222222 closed: not
-----
T Domain Name Minimum Price Total
N aaaaaaaaaa.biz 0.00 0.00 -ggggg
created 33333333 closed: not
-----
Price: $ aa.bb
Discounts applied: $ v.bb
Minimum for accounts: $ rr.00
Total charges: $ rr.00
Note: usage information shown here may only be accurate as of
the most recent data gathering cycle, and does not include
credits, debits, etc.
This is not an invoice.
</pre>
<hr>
<p>
Alan J. Flavell said the following on 12/04/04 14:49: On Sat, 4 Dec 2004, Harrie wrote:
To get browsers in Standards Compliance Mode I would add the URL to
the DTD,
Yes, but that's a completely different issue. It has nothing at all
to do with whether the HTML document itself is compliant to its DTD.
Agreed. I just wanted to add it so the OP knows about different formats
of DOCTYPE and what it triggers, but you're right, it has nothing to do
with SGML compliance. like the DTD itself says in "Typical usage":
Erm, to be pedantic, the /comments/ that you find in a DTD are in no
way normative. Some of them are even misleading - see the comment in
the DTD relating to the IMG's ALT attribute - it's in fundamental
contradiction to what the body of the HTML specification says, and the
latter is what the WAI deem to be good practice. Me too, as it
happens.
I just added that as an example, but thanks for your remark, I wasn't
aware of that. I appreciate pedantic remarks, especially with technical
discussions, so I can keep learning.
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On Sat, 4 Dec 2004 08:35:07 -0500, Howard Kaikow <ka****@standar ds.com>
wrote: I am looking for a formal spec
The HTML 4.01 Specification (<URL:http://www.w3.org/TR/html4>) as produced
by the W3C is the normative document for the current version of HTML.
that states the REQUIREMENTS, not the recommendations .
You've been told the requirements: a DOCTYPE, a TITLE element, and some
form of content within the BODY element. What that content can be depends
on the DOCTYPE used: for Strict, a block-level element or SCRIPT element;
for Transitional, any element or text.
I ask because I've encountered HTML file that has no DOCTYPE, HTML or
BODY tags
It's already been stated that in HTML the start and end tags for the HTML,
HEAD and BODY elements are optional. The elements are always present, but
they don't need to be specified explicitly. They usually are though for
clarity.
For a document to be valid, it must include a DOCTYPE declaration. From
section 7.2 - HTML version information:
"A valid HTML document declares what version of HTML is used in the
document. The document type declaration names the document type
definition (DTD) in use for the document..."
and from section 4.2 - SGML, paragraph 2:
"For the sake of brevity, most of the examples in this
specification do not begin with the document type declaration that
is mandatory at the beginning of each HTML document."
and the creator is insisting that such a file is conforming.
That person is wrong.
Mike
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