Moving to new form of usenet ideas?

[Jon Slaughter]

Sorry for all the cross posting but I'm interesting in getting a serious
discussion about how usenet has become lately.

Many people are moving away from usenet because of all the spam and cooks
that have been showing up. The rate of spammer seem to be growing
exponentially(ok, not really but it feels like it).

I think maybe its time to do something about it. What I'd like to see happen
is an "upgrade" to usenet. I do not like th forum based communiations that
has sprung up lately but since it solves many of usenet's shortcommings I
believe that will will take over.

If many people feel the same way then maybe we can move on to something
better and increase the efficiency and productivity that usenet was meant
for.

Some ideas I have are:

1. Cook repellent - Some method to prevent cooks from interrupting normal
flow. Either having a voting scheme or some type of identifying means to
either completely remove them or at least make it easier to avoid them.

2. Spam repellent - Similar to Cooks.

3. Meta data - Have the ability to directly include graphics and things like
TeX into messages. For those that do not want to view it they can disable it
or have some other means to see it.

4. Specific tools for groups - Different groups have different needs for
communication. Mathematics groups need to efficiently communicate
mathematical formulas while electronics need to communicate schematics.

5. Moderation - Potentially give regular users of the group the ability to
"quasi-moderate" or in general just have a wide range of options to have
more control over groups(But not to much).

6. Non-anomality or some way to slow down spammers. Maybe better routing
data and such.

7. Potentially "Backwards compatible" with usenet - have the ability to surf
usenet with the same client to help make a smoother transition.
----

In any case this is extremely preliminary and just some thoughts. It seems
that usenet has started to go down the drain. Hopefully there are those out
there that are interested in keeping it alive. I'm thinking something very
similar to usenet but with just more "features".

If enough people are interested in doing this then maybe we can put
something together. All ideas and suggestions are welcome.

Thanks,
Jon

[Michael Press]

In article <47***************@earthlink.net>,
"Michael A. Terrell" <mi**********@earthlink.net>
wrote:

465C7552.DFCAE84C%40earthlink.net

Not found on my server,
and not found by the Google Message-ID
look up widget.

--
Michael Press

[Michael Press]

In article
<lk********************************@4ax.com>,
Lester Zick <do********@nowhere.netwrote:

On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 06:59:09 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mi**********@earthlink.netwrote:

Lester Zick wrote:

[...]

I know. But it's the best I could do at your level.

Be careful, or you'll give yourself a hernia while trying to reach
that high.

Patriotism being the last resort of scoundrels.

^^^^^^
refuge

--
Michael Press

[Michael Press]

In article
<l2********************************@4ax.com>,
John Fields <jf*****@austininstruments.comwrote:

View in Courier:
10V E1
|
[6470R] R1
|
+----0.32V E2
|
[R2]
|
0V
What's the value of R2, in ohms?

Clue:

E1 * R2
E2 = ---------
R1 + R2

Seems a better clue is that the current
through each of R1 and R2 is equal.
Easier algebra.

--
Michael Press

[John Fields]

On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 13:41:18 -0700, Michael Press
<ru****@pacbell.netwrote:

>In article
<l2********************************@4ax.com>,
John Fields <jf*****@austininstruments.comwrote:

>View in Courier:
10V E1
|
[6470R] R1
|
+----0.32V E2
|
[R2]
|
0V
What's the value of R2, in ohms?

Clue:

E1 * R2
E2 = ---------
R1 + R2

Seems a better clue is that the current
through each of R1 and R2 is equal.
Easier algebra.

---
Geez, I didn't want to _give_ it to him... ;)
--
JF

[John Larkin]

On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:34:03 -0500, John Fields
<jf*****@austininstruments.comwrote:

>I wasn't aware that I'd been doing other than that since I started
knocking down your house of cards.

But, in line with your request, here's something pretty simple and,
in keeping with your professed penchant for "science", something you
might enjoy figuring out:

View in Courier:
10V E1
|
[6470R] R1
|
+----0.32V E2
|
[R2]
|
0V
What's the value of R2, in ohms?

Clue:

E1 * R2
E2 = ---------
R1 + R2

Hey, that's way too hard for these guys. I mean, algebra and division
and hurtey stuff like that.

John

[John Fields]

On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 09:20:08 -0700, Lester Zick
<do********@nowhere.netwrote:

>On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:42:50 -0500, John Fields
<jf*****@austininstruments.comwrote:

>>>>What are you, about 12 years old?

Yes.

---
That certainly explains your immaturity.

But it doesn't explain yours.

---
Well here's the explanation, junior: Whenever I run across nasty
little half-baked juvenile dipshits like you, who have an axe to
grind and want to be slapped around a little, I'm always happy to
oblige, but I always post at a level which I'm sure you'll be able
to comprehend. And, of course, that level falls into the area of
maturity which your pubescent raging hormones force upon you, so I
gauged my target accurately, it seems.
--
JF

[John Fields]

On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 09:21:14 -0700, Lester Zick
<do********@nowhere.netwrote:

>On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:42:50 -0500, John Fields
<jf*****@austininstruments.comwrote:

>>>>Oh, my, what a stunning rebuke!

To a stupid rejoinder.

---
Hardly. My reply to your statement that the least you could do
would be to take affront or possibly umbrage was to illustrate the
logical inconsistency in your reasoning by pointing out that there
was a course you could have taken which would have allowed you to
do even less.

Why don't you explain it to us.

---
Silly boy, I just did.
--
JF

[John Fields]

On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 09:23:24 -0700, Lester Zick
<do********@nowhere.netwrote:

>On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:42:50 -0500, John Fields
<jf*****@austininstruments.comwrote:

>>>>Also, it seems to be in more or less common use:

Most movie script citations are.

---
Art reflects life, dontcha know?

But nothing reflects you.

---
A mirror do.

And my art reflects my life.

A US patent, several articles published in trade journals, a
successful company, and many original free designs posted to USENET
pro bono.

And you?
---

>>>Try science for a change.

---
LOL, what would _you_ know about science other than it's a word with
seven letters?

And you aren't either.

---
Here, kitty, kitty...
--
JF

[John Fields]

On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 09:24:12 -0700, Lester Zick
<do********@nowhere.netwrote:

>On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:07:19 -0700, ChairmanOfTheBored
<RU*****@crackasmile.orgwrote:

>>On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:24:52 -0700, Lester Zick <do********@nowhere.net>
wrote:

>>>>What are you, about 12 years old?

Yes.

Mentally perhaps. This only means that the drinking you claim to be
doing will cause you to depart from us quite early in life.

Hooray for that!

That's the most you can celebrate?

---
I can't reply for ChairmanOfTheBored, but as far as I'm concerned,
obviously not, idiot. However, it's not a bad place to start since
after you're gone no one will be enticed into wasting time replying
to your bleating, the wolves having taken you out.
--
JF

[JosephKK]

Lester Zick do********@nowhere.net posted to sci.electronics.design:

On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 22:14:01 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mi**********@earthlink.netwrote:

>>When science and truth are convinced by your flag waving then I'll
be convinced.

As far as the US flag? I posted some pictures that I took on
Memorial Day at our Veteran's Park. It brought out a horde of
idiots like you to bitch, and make lewd comments.

I suspect they may have been complaining more about your religion
than their partiotism.

You truly are the donkey's twin. When you run out of facts, drag
ANY
relgion into the thread as a smokescreen.

And which facts did you have in mind exactly? Yours or someone
elses.

~v~~

The track record of your posts is facts enough.

[Lester Zick]

On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 13:11:13 -0700, Michael Press <ru****@pacbell.net>
wrote:

>In article
<lk********************************@4ax.com>,
Lester Zick <do********@nowhere.netwrote:

>On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 06:59:09 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mi**********@earthlink.netwrote:

>Lester Zick wrote:

[...]

>I know. But it's the best I could do at your level.

Be careful, or you'll give yourself a hernia while trying to reach
that high.

Patriotism being the last resort of scoundrels.

^^^^^^
refuge

^^^^^

Even scoundrels need a last resort.

~v~~

[Lester Zick]

On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 11:20:01 -0700, ChairmanOfTheBored
<RU*****@crackasmile.orgwrote:

>On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 09:27:20 -0700, Lester Zick <do********@nowhere.net>
wrote:

>>
Wherein Captain Obvious eats his heart out.

On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:37:36 -0500, John Fields
<jf*****@austininstruments.comwrote:

>>>On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:33:12 -0700, Lester Zick
<do********@nowhere.netwrote:

On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:45:26 -0700, ChairmanOfTheBored
<RU*****@crackasmile.orgwrote:

Your IQ just dropped 40 points. Our knowledge of your maturity level
>just peaked.
>
In these groups, you're toast, boy.

Good. Then eat me.

---
Yet another homosexual reference...

~v~~

You're a top posting Usenet retard as well, I see.

I just can't bear to wade through all his nonsense.

~v~~

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 16:42:43 -0700, ChairmanOfTheBored
<RU*****@crackasmile.orgwrote:

>On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 15:33:26 -0700, John Larkin
<jj******@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.comwrot e:

>>On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:34:03 -0500, John Fields
<jf*****@austininstruments.comwrote:

>>>I wasn't aware that I'd been doing other than that since I started
knocking down your house of cards.

But, in line with your request, here's something pretty simple and,
in keeping with your professed penchant for "science", something you
might enjoy figuring out:

View in Courier:
10V E1
|
[6470R] R1
|
+----0.32V E2
|
[R2]
|
0V
What's the value of R2, in ohms?

Clue:

E1 * R2
E2 = ---------
R1 + R2

Hey, that's way too hard for these guys. I mean, algebra and division
and hurtey stuff like that.

"hurtey"?

It means "painful", as in "complicated math stuff like dividing hurts
my head!"

So, what's the value of R2?

John

[John Fields]

On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 09:58:34 -0700, Lester Zick
<do********@nowhere.netwrote:

>On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:34:03 -0500, John Fields
<jf*****@austininstruments.comwrote:

>>>>>>>>If you can rouse yourself from your self-admitted drunken stupor you
>>>>might try using a non-proportional font like Courier or Courier New.
>>>
>>>Usually I prefer truth.
>>
>>---
>>No, you don't.
>
>Sure I do.

---
Well, you may _prefer_ truth, but you certainly don't seem to be
bound by your preferences.

Clever rejoinder. Haven't seen any truth outta you, sport.

---
How would you know?

How would you, Captain Obvious?

---
It's obvious.
--
JF

[John Fields]

On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 10:01:28 -0700, Lester Zick
<do********@nowhere.netwrote:

>On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:34:03 -0500, John Fields
<jf*****@austininstruments.comwrote:

>>Are you familiar with "Seppuku"?

No, but let's hope you are.

---
Why would you hope I am if you don't know what it means?

BTW, "No, but let's hope you are." should read:
"No, but I hope you are."

That is, unless you have some sort of kindergarten following.
--
JF

[Michael A. Terrell]

John Fields wrote:

>
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 09:21:14 -0700, Lester Zick
<do********@nowhere.netwrote:

On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:42:50 -0500, John Fields
<jf*****@austininstruments.comwrote:

>>>Oh, my, what a stunning rebuke!

To a stupid rejoinder.

---
Hardly. My reply to your statement that the least you could do
would be to take affront or possibly umbrage was to illustrate the
logical inconsistency in your reasoning by pointing out that there
was a course you could have taken which would have allowed you to
do even less.

Why don't you explain it to us.

---
Silly boy, I just did.

I doubt that you can go low enough to reach its level. I've seen
smarter dogs than 'Sick'.
--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

[Michael A. Terrell]

Lester Sick wrote:

>
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 22:12:43 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mi**********@earthlink.netwrote:

Patriotism being the last resort of scoundrels, of course.

I take it you're an expert on scoundrels? There is no way that
you're a patriot.

I don't claim partriotism as a basis for truth; you do.

~v~~

Where? Give proof to all the people that you've been bothering with
your mindless drivel.
--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

[John Fields]

On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 09:27:20 -0700, Lester Zick
<do********@nowhere.netwrote:
Geez, my noticing

>
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:37:36 -0500, John Fields
<jf*****@austininstruments.comwrote:

>>On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:33:12 -0700, Lester Zick
<do********@nowhere.netwrote:

>>>On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:45:26 -0700, ChairmanOfTheBored
<RU*****@crackasmile.orgwrote:

>>>Your IQ just dropped 40 points. Our knowledge of your maturity level
just peaked.

In these groups, you're toast, boy.

Good. Then eat me.

---
Yet another homosexual reference...

Wherein Captain Obvious eats his heart out.

---
Captain Obvious?

Thanks. :-)

I like that, since it seems to indicate that you think I can
separate the wheat from the chaff.

I can, and I'm not interested in eating chaff.
--
JF

[Michael A. Terrell]

Lester Zick wrote:

>
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 13:11:13 -0700, Michael Press <ru****@pacbell.net>
wrote:

In article
<lk********************************@4ax.com>,
Lester Zick <do********@nowhere.netwrote:

On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 06:59:09 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mi**********@earthlink.netwrote:

Lester Zick wrote:

[...]

I know. But it's the best I could do at your level.

Be careful, or you'll give yourself a hernia while trying to reach
that high.

Patriotism being the last resort of scoundrels.

^^^^^^
refuge

^^^^^

Even scoundrels need a last resort.

~v~~

You don't deserve a resort. That overpass is good enough for trolls
like you.
--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

[Michael A. Terrell]

Lester Zick wrote:

>
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 22:20:27 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mi**********@earthlink.netwrote:

Utter bullshit.

I know. But it's the best I could do at your level.
Be careful, or you'll give yourself a hernia while trying to reach
that high.

Patriotism being the last resort of scoundrels.

You've already said that.

Lottsa people've already said that. See collateral thread where you
can bluster to your heart's content.

It looks like you're nothing but another
'20 word wonder'. :( ,

Which puts me what, 19 up on you?

Only in your fever induced nightnmares.
--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

[John Fields]

On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 10:03:56 -0700, Lester Zick
<do********@nowhere.netwrote:

>On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:34:03 -0500, John Fields
<jf*****@austininstruments.comwrote:

>>>Let's see you demonstrate the truth
of something for a change.

---
"for a change"?

I wasn't aware that I'd been doing other than that

Nobody ever suspected you were . . .

> since I started
knocking down your house of cards.

Which is why you haven't.

---
Look around you. The walls are tumbling down and you can't even see
it. Or worse, you see it but deny it, which makes you even more of
a liar that you were before.
--
JF

[Michael A. Terrell]

ChairmanOfTheBored wrote:

>
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 06:59:09 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mi**********@earthlink.netwrote:

Lester Zick wrote:

>
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:00:58 -0700, ChairmanOfTheBored
<RU*****@crackasmile.orgwrote:

On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:05:34 -0700, Lester Zick <do********@nowhere.net>
wrote:

Oh gee, professor, not really? And what about usenet postings where
servers have some difficulty with proportional spacing, where a choice
has to be made between ragged paragraphs and colloquial punctuation?
Next time your skirts get in a tizzy, complain to the servers not moi.

Utter bullshit.

I know. But it's the best I could do at your level.

Be careful, or you'll give yourself a hernia while trying to reach
that high.

I find it amusing that it took a real twit like the ZickTard to cause
you to compliment me. :-]

Credit where credit is due. Sick has no credit, and is socially
bankrupt. There's still hope for you. ;-)
--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

[Michael A. Terrell]

Lester Zick wrote:

>
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:58:45 -0700, ChairmanOfTheBored
<RU*****@crackasmile.orgwrote:

Utter bullshit.

I know. But it's the best I could do at your level.
Be careful, or you'll give yourself a hernia while trying to reach
that high.

I find it amusing that it took a real twit like the ZickTard to cause
you to compliment me. :-]

No compliment. It's just that due to all the flag waving his reach is
not quite what it used to be.

~v~~

http://home.earthlink.net/~fay.terre...-day-2007.html
--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

[Michael A. Terrell]

Michael Press wrote:

>
In article <47***************@earthlink.net>,
"Michael A. Terrell" <mi**********@earthlink.net>
wrote:

465C7552.DFCAE84C%40earthlink.net

Not found on my server,
and not found by the Google Message-ID
look up widget.

--
Michael Press

It is a group of photos from our Veteran's park earlier this year.
It was posted to news:alt.binaries.schematics.electronic and
news:alt.binaries.pictures.radio

Subject:
Only in America - Memorial Day photos! 766 KB
Date:
Tue, 29 May 2007 18:47:39 GMT
From:
"Michael A. Terrell" <mi**********@earthlink.net>

It is still on the Supernews servers, but I put it up as a temporary
web page until I launch my new website.
http://home.earthlink.net/~fay.terre...-day-2007.html

These are reduced images, because of the 10 MB limit for that website.

--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

[Michael A. Terrell]

Lester Sick wrote:

>
Bitch, bitch, bitch.

Admitting your problem is the first step to getting help. Not only
are you a bitch, but you have MPD. :(

--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

[Lester Zick]

On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 17:51:54 -0500, John Fields
<jf*****@austininstruments.comwrote:

>On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 09:20:08 -0700, Lester Zick
<do********@nowhere.netwrote:

>>On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:42:50 -0500, John Fields
<jf*****@austininstruments.comwrote:

>>>>>What are you, about 12 years old?

Yes.

---
That certainly explains your immaturity.

But it doesn't explain yours.

---
Well here's the explanation, junior: Whenever I run across nasty
little half-baked juvenile dipshits like you, who have an axe to
grind and want to be slapped around a little, I'm always happy to
oblige, but I always post at a level which I'm sure you'll be able
to comprehend. And, of course, that level falls into the area of
maturity which your pubescent raging hormones force upon you, so I
gauged my target accurately, it seems.

Word salad and buzzword bingo. And we're still awaiting demonstrations
of truth for your opinions, princess.

~v~~

[Lester Zick]

On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 17:55:50 -0500, John Fields
<jf*****@austininstruments.comwrote:

>On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 09:21:14 -0700, Lester Zick
<do********@nowhere.netwrote:

>>On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:42:50 -0500, John Fields
<jf*****@austininstruments.comwrote:

>>>>>Oh, my, what a stunning rebuke!

To a stupid rejoinder.

---
Hardly. My reply to your statement that the least you could do
would be to take affront or possibly umbrage was to illustrate the
logical inconsistency in your reasoning by pointing out that there
was a course you could have taken which would have allowed you to
do even less.

Why don't you explain it to us.

---
Silly boy, I just did.

Obviously you missed the point of my hyperbolic irony, Captain
Obvious. Here, let me explain it to you . . .

~v~~

[Lester Zick]

On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 08:21:58 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mi**********@earthlink.netwrote:

>John Fields wrote:

>>
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 09:21:14 -0700, Lester Zick
<do********@nowhere.netwrote:

>On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:42:50 -0500, John Fields
<jf*****@austininstruments.comwrote:

Oh, my, what a stunning rebuke!

To a stupid rejoinder.

---
Hardly. My reply to your statement that the least you could do
would be to take affront or possibly umbrage was to illustrate the
logical inconsistency in your reasoning by pointing out that there
was a course you could have taken which would have allowed you to
do even less.

Why don't you explain it to us.

---
Silly boy, I just did.

I doubt that you can go low enough to reach its level. I've seen
smarter dogs than 'Sick'.

And I've seen smarter martyrs.

~v~~

[Lester Zick]

On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 09:52:57 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mi**********@earthlink.netwrote:

>Lester Sick wrote:

>>
Bitch, bitch, bitch.

Admitting your problem is the first step to getting help. Not only
are you a bitch, but you have MPD. :(

Whereas your problem is you wrap the flag around your ass and tell
people to kiss it.

~v~~

[Lester Zick]

On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 18:18:01 -0500, John Fields
<jf*****@austininstruments.comwrote:

>On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 09:23:24 -0700, Lester Zick
<do********@nowhere.netwrote:

>>On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:42:50 -0500, John Fields
<jf*****@austininstruments.comwrote:

>>>>>Also, it seems to be in more or less common use:

Most movie script citations are.

---
Art reflects life, dontcha know?

But nothing reflects you.

---
A mirror do.

>And my art reflects my life.

And now you're being tedious, tendentious, and pompous. Why don't you
admire your reflection in the mirror some more. And we're still
awaiting demonstrations of truth for your opinions, princess.

>A US patent, several articles published in trade journals, a
successful company, and many original free designs posted to USENET
pro bono.

That's just swell, princess.

>And you?

Demonstrations of universal truth by finite tautological reduction to
self contradictory alternatives and exhaustive reduction of boolean
conjunctions in mechanical terms. Nothing much.

>>>>Try science for a change.

---
LOL, what would _you_ know about science other than it's a word with
seven letters?

And you aren't either.

---
Here, kitty, kitty...

Yadayada whatever, princess.

~v~~

[Lester Zick]

On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 18:33:05 -0500, John Fields
<jf*****@austininstruments.comwrote:

>On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 09:24:12 -0700, Lester Zick
<do********@nowhere.netwrote:

>>On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:07:19 -0700, ChairmanOfTheBored
<RU*****@crackasmile.orgwrote:

>>>On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:24:52 -0700, Lester Zick <do********@nowhere.net>
wrote:

>What are you, about 12 years old?

Yes.
Mentally perhaps. This only means that the drinking you claim to be
doing will cause you to depart from us quite early in life.

Hooray for that!

That's the most you can celebrate?

---
I can't reply for ChairmanOfTheBored, but as far as I'm concerned,
obviously not, idiot. However, it's not a bad place to start since
after you're gone no one will be enticed into wasting time replying
to your bleating, the wolves having taken you out.

More word salad and buzzword bingo. And we're still awaiting
demonstrations of truth for your opinions, princess.

~v~~

[John Fields]

On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 10:54:51 -0700, Lester Zick
<do********@nowhere.netwrote:

>On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 17:55:50 -0500, John Fields
<jf*****@austininstruments.comwrote:

>>On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 09:21:14 -0700, Lester Zick
<do********@nowhere.netwrote:

>>>On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:42:50 -0500, John Fields
<jf*****@austininstruments.comwrote:

>>Oh, my, what a stunning rebuke!
>
>To a stupid rejoinder.

---
Hardly. My reply to your statement that the least you could do
would be to take affront or possibly umbrage was to illustrate the
logical inconsistency in your reasoning by pointing out that there
was a course you could have taken which would have allowed you to
do even less.

Why don't you explain it to us.

---
Silly boy, I just did.

Obviously you missed the point of my hyperbolic irony, Captain
Obvious. Here, let me explain it to you . . .

---
Just more hyperbole.
--
JF

[Lester Zick]

On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 07:28:56 -0500, John Fields
<jf*****@austininstruments.comwrote:

>On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 09:27:20 -0700, Lester Zick
<do********@nowhere.netwrote:
Geez, my noticing

>>
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:37:36 -0500, John Fields
<jf*****@austininstruments.comwrote:

>>>On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:33:12 -0700, Lester Zick
<do********@nowhere.netwrote:

On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:45:26 -0700, ChairmanOfTheBored
<RU*****@crackasmile.orgwrote:

Your IQ just dropped 40 points. Our knowledge of your maturity level
>just peaked.
>
In these groups, you're toast, boy.

Good. Then eat me.

---
Yet another homosexual reference...

Wherein Captain Obvious eats his heart out.

---
Captain Obvious?

Thanks. :-)

I like that, since it seems to indicate that you think I can
separate the wheat from the chaff.

I can, and I'm not interested in eating chaff.

Nor, apparently, in producing demonstrations of truth for your
opinions, Captain Oblivious.

~v~~

[Lester Zick]

On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 06:47:18 -0500, John Fields
<jf*****@austininstruments.comwrote:

>On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 09:58:34 -0700, Lester Zick
<do********@nowhere.netwrote:

>>On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:34:03 -0500, John Fields
<jf*****@austininstruments.comwrote:

>>>>>>>>>If you can rouse yourself from your self-admitted drunken stupor you
>>>>>might try using a non-proportional font like Courier or Courier New.
>>>>
>>>>Usually I prefer truth.
>>>
>>>---
>>>No, you don't.
>>
>>Sure I do.
>
>---
>Well, you may _prefer_ truth, but you certainly don't seem to be
>bound by your preferences.

Clever rejoinder. Haven't seen any truth outta you, sport.

---
How would you know?

How would you, Captain Obvious?

---
It's obvious.

The Pythagorean Theorem doesn't require a demonstration of truth
because it's "obvious"? Ah the absolute irony of "Captain Obvious".

~v~~

[Lester Zick]

On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 07:05:59 -0500, John Fields
<jf*****@austininstruments.comwrote:

>On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 10:01:28 -0700, Lester Zick
<do********@nowhere.netwrote:

>>On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:34:03 -0500, John Fields
<jf*****@austininstruments.comwrote:

>>>Are you familiar with "Seppuku"?

No, but let's hope you are.

---
Why would you hope I am if you don't know what it means?

Jesus, aren't you the clever one. I just hoped you might know what you
were talking about for a change.

>BTW, "No, but let's hope you are." should read:
"No, but I hope you are."

That is, unless you have some sort of kindergarten following.

Well there's you and Dork and apparently quite a few others. My
threads have proven immensely popular over the last few years.

~v~~

[Lester Zick]

On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 07:38:21 -0500, John Fields
<jf*****@austininstruments.comwrote:

>On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 10:03:56 -0700, Lester Zick
<do********@nowhere.netwrote:

>>On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:34:03 -0500, John Fields
<jf*****@austininstruments.comwrote:

>>>>Let's see you demonstrate the truth
of something for a change.

---
"for a change"?

I wasn't aware that I'd been doing other than that

Nobody ever suspected you were . . .

>> since I started
knocking down your house of cards.

Which is why you haven't.

---
Look around you. The walls are tumbling down and you can't even see
it. Or worse, you see it but deny it, which makes you even more of
a liar that you were before.

And we're still awaiting demonstrations of truth for your opinions,
princess. You really are too stupid for words.

~v~~

[Lester Zick]

On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 07:20:34 -0500, John Fields
<jf*****@austininstruments.comwrote:

>Well, since accuracy _is_ part of truth,

You know you really are a jerk. "Well since this . . ." and "well
since that . . ." and "well since" whatever you feel like opining.
Who says accuracy is a part of anything you haven't and almost
certainly can't even define? You're an idiot.

~v~~

[John Fields]

On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 11:02:56 -0700, Lester Zick
<do********@nowhere.netwrote:

>On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 18:18:01 -0500, John Fields
<jf*****@austininstruments.comwrote:

>>On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 09:23:24 -0700, Lester Zick
<do********@nowhere.netwrote:

>>>On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:42:50 -0500, John Fields
<jf*****@austininstruments.comwrote:

>>Also, it seems to be in more or less common use:
>
>Most movie script citations are.

---
Art reflects life, dontcha know?

But nothing reflects you.

---
A mirror do.

>>And my art reflects my life.

And now you're being tedious, tendentious, and pompous.

---
Hardly. I was merely demonstrating that the sentence you wrote:
"But nothing reflects you." wasn't true, on several levels.

Certainly, for his own spiritual development, someone who goes on
and on about the importance of truth needs to be apprised of his
lack of veracity, wouldn't you agree?
---

>Why don't you
admire your reflection in the mirror some more.

---
Narcissism isn't my strong suit.
---

>And we're still
awaiting demonstrations of truth for your opinions, princess.

---
Remember R2?
You got two clues and you still can't figure it out, huh, bozo?
---

>>A US patent, several articles published in trade journals, a
successful company, and many original free designs posted to USENET
pro bono.

That's just swell, princess.

>>And you?

Demonstrations of universal truth by finite tautological reduction to
self contradictory alternatives and exhaustive reduction of boolean
conjunctions in mechanical terms. Nothing much.

---
"Nothing much"? Pride goes before a fall, you know, you smug,
condescending ass.
---

>>>>>Try science for a change.

---
LOL, what would _you_ know about science other than it's a word with
seven letters?

And you aren't either.

---
Here, kitty, kitty...

Yadayada whatever, princess.

---
When you can't think of anything clever to say, say anything?
--
JF

[John Fields]

On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 11:17:30 -0700, Lester Zick
<do********@nowhere.netwrote:

>On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 07:28:56 -0500, John Fields
<jf*****@austininstruments.comwrote:

>>On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 09:27:20 -0700, Lester Zick
<do********@nowhere.netwrote:
Geez, my noticing

>>>
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:37:36 -0500, John Fields
<jf*****@austininstruments.comwrote:

On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:33:12 -0700, Lester Zick
<do********@nowhere.netwrote:

>On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:45:26 -0700, ChairmanOfTheBored
><RU*****@crackasmile.orgwrote:

>Your IQ just dropped 40 points. Our knowledge of your maturity level
>>just peaked.
>>
> In these groups, you're toast, boy.
>
>Good. Then eat me.

---
Yet another homosexual reference...

Wherein Captain Obvious eats his heart out.

---
Captain Obvious?

Thanks. :-)

I like that, since it seems to indicate that you think I can
separate the wheat from the chaff.

I can, and I'm not interested in eating chaff.

Nor, apparently, in producing demonstrations of truth for your
opinions, Captain Oblivious.

---
Now it's Captain Oblivious?
I see. It's one or the other depending on your mood?

Remember R2? That's a pretty good demo and so far you haven't
posted an answer. Perhaps because - oh, I don't know - you don't
want to have to admit to the fact that it's true and lose what
little face you've got left?
--
JF

[John Fields]

On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 11:20:25 -0700, Lester Zick
<do********@nowhere.netwrote:

>On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 06:47:18 -0500, John Fields
<jf*****@austininstruments.comwrote:

>>On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 09:58:34 -0700, Lester Zick
<do********@nowhere.netwrote:

>>>On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:34:03 -0500, John Fields
<jf*****@austininstruments.comwrote:

>>>>>>If you can rouse yourself from your self-admitted drunken stupor you
>>>>>>might try using a non-proportional font like Courier or Courier New.
>>>>>
>>>>>Usually I prefer truth.
>>>>
>>>>---
>>>>No, you don't.
>>>
>>>Sure I do.
>>
>>---
>>Well, you may _prefer_ truth, but you certainly don't seem to be
>>bound by your preferences.
>
>Clever rejoinder. Haven't seen any truth outta you, sport.

---
How would you know?

How would you, Captain Obvious?

---
It's obvious.

The Pythagorean Theorem doesn't require a demonstration of truth
because it's "obvious"?

---
You said that, not I, so stop trying to put words in my mouth,
cheater.
--
JF

[John Fields]

On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 11:31:08 -0700, Lester Zick
<do********@nowhere.netwrote:

>On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 07:05:59 -0500, John Fields
<jf*****@austininstruments.comwrote:

>>On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 10:01:28 -0700, Lester Zick
<do********@nowhere.netwrote:

>>>On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:34:03 -0500, John Fields
<jf*****@austininstruments.comwrote:

Are you familiar with "Seppuku"?

No, but let's hope you are.

---
Why would you hope I am if you don't know what it means?

Jesus, aren't you the clever one. I just hoped you might know what you
were talking about for a change.

---
Man, are you full of shit!
---

>>BTW, "No, but let's hope you are." should read:
"No, but I hope you are."

That is, unless you have some sort of kindergarten following.

Well there's you and Dork and apparently quite a few others. My
threads have proven immensely popular over the last few years.

---
ISTM you're the one who's doing the following since you wandered in
here by accident and seem to be hanging out because you like the
spankings.

The "immense popularity" of your posts is probably due to the same
reason people can't take their eyes away from a train wreck.
--
JF

[John Fields]

On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:50:46 -0700, Lester Zick
<do********@nowhere.netwrote:

>On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:21:56 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mi**********@earthlink.netwrote:

>>ChairmanOfTheBored wrote:

>>>
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:08:14 -0700, Lester Zick <do********@nowhere.net>
wrote:

On 9 Oct 2007 23:16:09 GMT, "Default User" <de***********@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Lester Zick wrote:

On 8 Oct 2007 21:01:53 GMT, "Default User" <de***********@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Soldiers during WWII didn't need it 'prepared', and if
it was good enough for them, it should be plenty good enough for
you!

Yeah, and LOT of those guys are dead now. Coincidence? I think not.

They got shot with spam?

Ewww, Spam bullets. Was that an episode of Mythbusters?

No. It was an episode of "BabbleOn 5".
Now I remember where I saw you.

You were the star in that flic "Total Retard".

He was your stand in.

I do not stand in.

---
Nor do you stand out.
--
JF

[John Fields]

On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 10:50:35 -0700, Lester Zick
<do********@nowhere.netwrote:

>On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 17:51:54 -0500, John Fields
<jf*****@austininstruments.comwrote:

>>On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 09:20:08 -0700, Lester Zick
<do********@nowhere.netwrote:

>>>On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:42:50 -0500, John Fields
<jf*****@austininstruments.comwrote:

>>What are you, about 12 years old?
>
>Yes.

---
That certainly explains your immaturity.

But it doesn't explain yours.

---
Well here's the explanation, junior: Whenever I run across nasty
little half-baked juvenile dipshits like you, who have an axe to
grind and want to be slapped around a little, I'm always happy to
oblige, but I always post at a level which I'm sure you'll be able
to comprehend. And, of course, that level falls into the area of
maturity which your pubescent raging hormones force upon you, so I
gauged my target accurately, it seems.

Word salad and buzzword bingo. And we're still awaiting demonstrations
of truth for your opinions, princess.

---
All in good time, but first I need to ferret out some more of your
weaknesses.
--
JF

[John Fields]

On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 11:31:50 -0700, Lester Zick
<do********@nowhere.netwrote:

>On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 07:38:21 -0500, John Fields
<jf*****@austininstruments.comwrote:

>>On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 10:03:56 -0700, Lester Zick
<do********@nowhere.netwrote:

>>>On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:34:03 -0500, John Fields
<jf*****@austininstruments.comwrote:

>Let's see you demonstrate the truth
>of something for a change.

---
"for a change"?

I wasn't aware that I'd been doing other than that

Nobody ever suspected you were . . .

since I started
knocking down your house of cards.

Which is why you haven't.

---
Look around you. The walls are tumbling down and you can't even see
it. Or worse, you see it but deny it, which makes you even more of
a liar that you were before.

And we're still awaiting demonstrations of truth for your opinions,
princess.

---
All in good time.
---

>You really are too stupid for words.

---
Well, if that's true and you're trying to use words to describe the
depth and breadth of my stupidity, isn't that even stupider?
--
JF

[Lester Zick]

On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 00:26:31 GMT, JosephKK
<jo************@sbcglobal.netwrote:

>Lester Zick do********@nowhere.net posted to sci.electronics.design:

>On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 22:14:01 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mi**********@earthlink.netwrote:

>>>When science and truth are convinced by your flag waving then I'll
be convinced.

As far as the US flag? I posted some pictures that I took on
Memorial Day at our Veteran's Park. It brought out a horde of
idiots like you to bitch, and make lewd comments.

I suspect they may have been complaining more about your religion
than their partiotism.
You truly are the donkey's twin. When you run out of facts, drag
ANY
relgion into the thread as a smokescreen.

And which facts did you have in mind exactly? Yours or someone
elses.

~v~~

The track record of your posts is facts enough.

Yes I guess they is.

~v~~

[Michael Press]

In article
<gj********************************@4ax.com>,
Lester Zick <do********@nowhere.netwrote:

On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 13:11:13 -0700, Michael Press <ru****@pacbell.net>
wrote:

In article
<lk********************************@4ax.com>,
Lester Zick <do********@nowhere.netwrote:

On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 06:59:09 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mi**********@earthlink.netwrote:

Lester Zick wrote:

[...]

I know. But it's the best I could do at your level.

Be careful, or you'll give yourself a hernia while trying to reach
that high.

Patriotism being the last resort of scoundrels.

^^^^^^
refuge

^^^^^

Even scoundrels need a last resort.

You did not look up the quotation, even after I posted a correction.
The corrected phrase above remains a misquotation.
Do you know who wrote the line?

--
Michael Press

[Michael Press]

In article
<ug********************************@4ax.com>,
John Fields <jf*****@austininstruments.comwrote:

On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 11:02:56 -0700, Lester Zick
<do********@nowhere.netwrote:

On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 18:18:01 -0500, John Fields
<jf*****@austininstruments.comwrote:

>On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 09:23:24 -0700, Lester Zick
<do********@nowhere.netwrote:

On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:42:50 -0500, John Fields
<jf*****@austininstruments.comwrote:

>Also, it seems to be in more or less common use:

Most movie script citations are.

---
Art reflects life, dontcha know?

But nothing reflects you.

---
A mirror do.

>And my art reflects my life.

And now you're being tedious, tendentious, and pompous.

---
Hardly. I was merely demonstrating that the sentence you wrote:
"But nothing reflects you." wasn't true, on several levels.

Certainly, for his own spiritual development, someone who goes on
and on about the importance of truth needs to be apprised of his
lack of veracity, wouldn't you agree?
---

Why don't you
admire your reflection in the mirror some more.

---
Narcissism isn't my strong suit.
---

And we're still
awaiting demonstrations of truth for your opinions, princess.

---
Remember R2?
You got two clues and you still can't figure it out, huh, bozo?
---

>A US patent, several articles published in trade journals, a
successful company, and many original free designs posted to USENET
pro bono.

That's just swell, princess.

>And you?

Demonstrations of universal truth by finite tautological reduction to
self contradictory alternatives and exhaustive reduction of boolean
conjunctions in mechanical terms. Nothing much.

---
"Nothing much"? Pride goes before a fall, you know, you smug,
condescending ass.

You all may find the original line of use.
Proverbs, 16:18
Pride goeth before destruction,
and an haughty spirit before a fall.

Even more apt, eh?

--
Michael Press

[John Larkin]

On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 15:02:02 -0700, Michael Press <ru****@pacbell.net>
wrote:

>In article
<gj********************************@4ax.com>,
Lester Zick <do********@nowhere.netwrote:

>On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 13:11:13 -0700, Michael Press <ru****@pacbell.net>
wrote:

>In article
<lk********************************@4ax.com>,
Lester Zick <do********@nowhere.netwrote:

On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 06:59:09 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mi**********@earthlink.netwrote:

Lester Zick wrote:

[...]

I know. But it's the best I could do at your level.

Be careful, or you'll give yourself a hernia while trying to reach
that high.

Patriotism being the last resort of scoundrels.
^^^^^^
refuge

^^^^^

Even scoundrels need a last resort.

You did not look up the quotation, even after I posted a correction.
The corrected phrase above remains a misquotation.
Do you know who wrote the line?

Obviously, Michael A. Terrell wrote the line.

John

[Michael A. Terrell]

John Larkin wrote:

>
On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 15:02:02 -0700, Michael Press <ru****@pacbell.net>
wrote:

In article
<gj********************************@4ax.com>,
Lester Zick <do********@nowhere.netwrote:

On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 13:11:13 -0700, Michael Press <ru****@pacbell.net>
wrote:

In article
<lk********************************@4ax.com>,
Lester Zick <do********@nowhere.netwrote:

On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 06:59:09 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mi**********@earthlink.netwrote:

Lester Zick wrote:

[...]

I know. But it's the best I could do at your level.

Be careful, or you'll give yourself a hernia while trying to reach
that high.

Patriotism being the last resort of scoundrels.
^^^^^^
refuge

^^^^^

Even scoundrels need a last resort.

You did not look up the quotation, even after I posted a correction.
The corrected phrase above remains a misquotation.
Do you know who wrote the line?

Obviously, Michael A. Terrell wrote the line.

John

My last part of this subthread was: 'Be careful, or you'll give
yourself a hernia while trying to reach
that high.'

--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

[ehsjr]

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

>

http://home.earthlink.net/~fay.terre...-day-2007.html

Nice!

Ed