virtual hell

[puzzlecracker]

I am sure people are familiar with dirty diamond problem solved by
virtual inheritance. look at the code below and tell me how many
instances of the base class (in this case A) does class D receive?
class A
{
:
:

};
class B: virtual public A {

:
:

};
class C: virtual public A {

:
:

};
class D: public B, public C, virtual public A {

:
:

};
====

A small follow up: is inheritance by default public, protected or
private such class A: B{};?
what is the difference between
class A
{
:
:

};
class B: virtual public A {

:
:

};
class D:public B {

:
:

};
OR

class D: virtual public B {
:
:

};
============
Next: can you inline the virtual functions? is the behavior undefined,
nonstandard, etc?

[Victor Bazarov]

puzzlecracker wrote:

I am sure people are familiar with dirty diamond problem solved by
virtual inheritance. look at the code below and tell me how many
instances of the base class (in this case A) does class D receive?
class A
{
};

class B: virtual public A {
};

class C: virtual public A {
};

class D: public B, public C, virtual public A {
};
One. All instances of deriving from 'A' are virtual.

BTW, you really need to conserve whitespace. If we go about wasting
whitespace like you did in your post, we may run out of it sooner than
we think.
====

A small follow up: is inheritance by default public, protected or
private such class A: B{};?
Default is private for classes, public for structs.
what is the difference between
class A
{
};

class B: virtual public A {
};

class D:public B {
};

OR
AND
class D: virtual public B {
};
There is no difference. In both cases 'A' is a virtual base class and
has to be constructed in 'D'. In both cases 'B' is a direct base class
of 'D' and has to be constructed in 'D'.
============
Next: can you inline the virtual functions? is the behavior undefined,
nonstandard, etc?

I can. The behaviour is just fine.

V

[puzzlecracker]

Thanks so much Victor.

just a little small one:

One. All instances of deriving from 'A' are virtual

but how is it done that that only one instance exists in the subclass
when the derivation is virtual... I just can visualize the process that
takes place behind the scene... any ideas?

[puzzlecracker]

Thanks so much Victor.

just a little small one:

One. All instances of deriving from 'A' are virtual

but how is it done that that only one instance exists in the subclass
when the derivation is virtual... I just can visualize the process that
takes place behind the scene... any ideas?

[puzzlecracker]

back to that diamond problem: Why is it so that when derivation is
virtual from base class, only one instance exist, as in the first
example?
thx

[Victor Bazarov]

puzzlecracker wrote:

Thanks so much Victor.

just a little small one:

One. All instances of deriving from 'A' are virtual

but how is it done that that only one instance exists in the subclass
when the derivation is virtual... I just can visualize the process that
takes place behind the scene... any ideas?

I am not sure what kind of help I could offer. The compiler knows all the
base classes, the entire hierarchy, when it compiles the 'D' class. It
has to come up with a layout of the class. It merges all instances of any
class inherited virtually into one, and all those that are not inherited
virtually, get left where they are. If you had left at least one of the
'A' derivations non-virtual, you'd have another instance of 'A' hanging
around in the 'D' object.

V

[puzzlecracker]

WOw, thx.
now real basic stuff. so when you inherit from the class...subclass
phsycially has all of its protected and public methods just as he has
is own? But why then it hides overloaded methods of base class?

[Victor Bazarov]

puzzlecracker wrote:

back to that diamond problem: Why is it so that when derivation is
virtual from base class, only one instance exist, as in the first
example?

Because the language definition says so.

[Victor Bazarov]

puzzlecracker wrote:

now real basic stuff. so when you inherit from the class...subclass
phsycially has all of its protected and public methods just as he has
is own? But why then it hides overloaded methods of base class?

Because the language definition says so.

[Mike Wahler]

"Victor Bazarov" <v.********@comAcast.net> wrote in message
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BTW, you really need to conserve whitespace. If we go about wasting
whitespace like you did in your post, we may run out of it sooner than
we think.

Lots of snow at my place. You're welcome to some or all
of it if you run out of whitespace and need a substitute.
(but you must pay for shipping).

:-)

-Mike

[puzzlecracker]

Now it is off the topic.... I read 3 or C++ books, such as C++ primer,
C++ design revealed, and standard template library... what is your
prime choice of C++ books? Want to see if that would shift my paradigm
towards better practices.

Thanks... I know, I Know it is way off the topic.. but in the need of
your opinion, guidance.

Many thanks

[puzzlecracker]

Now it is off the topic.... I read 3 or C++ books, such as C++ primer,
C++ design revealed, and standard template library... what is your
prime choice of C++ books? Want to see if that would shift my paradigm
towards better practices.

Thanks... I know, I Know it is way off the topic.. but in the need of
your opinion, guidance.

Many thanks

[Mike Wahler]

"puzzlecracker" <ir*********@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:11*********************@f14g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...

Now it is off the topic.... I read 3 or C++ books, such as C++ primer,
C++ design revealed, and standard template library... what is your
prime choice of C++ books? Want to see if that would shift my paradigm
towards better practices.

Thanks... I know, I Know it is way off the topic.. but in the need of
your opinion, guidance.

IMO asking about C++ learning materials is topical here.

Have you consulted the FAQs, and the book reviews
at www.accu.org ?

C++ FAQ:
http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/

FAQ for newsgroup alt.comp.lang.learn.c-c++:
http://www.comeaucomputing.com/learn/faq/

Do you have the 'bible', Stroustrup's "The C++ Programming Language"?

-Mike

[Victor Bazarov]

puzzlecracker wrote:

Now it is off the topic....
It's not, actually...
I read 3 or C++ books, such as C++ primer,
C++ design revealed, and standard template library... what is your
prime choice of C++ books? Want to see if that would shift my paradigm
towards better practices.

Nowadays I read different books than when I was just starting with C++.
And different people respond differently to the way C++ is presented
in different books, so, I'll recommend to go to a book store and read
a few pages from the beginnings of several books. Make sure you read
the preface and the foreword. There the authors often say what the
intended readership is. The main purpose of that exercise is to see if
you're comfortable with the way the author presents the material and
with the material itself.

Of course, there are books that are highly recommended, and Mike already
gave you the link to the ACCU site. Follow it. You don't have to buy
and read all book that are marked "highly recommended", but at least you
will get an idea (or print out a list) of what or whom to prefer/avoid
when you actually get in the store.

Also, books have come up frequently here over the years, so do check out
the newsgroup archives for that.

Also, do not limit yourself to reading only C++ books. The application
domain is usually more important to be fluent in than the language in
which you implement the application. It never hurts to be fluent in the
language, but don't make it the only goal. Let it become a side effect
of using the language. Use caution when reading C++ examples and what-
not in non-C++ books. Some authors tend to pay less attention to the
language than to the application domain (and that's the RIGHT THING(tm))
just try not to pick up their bad habits.

Good luck!

V

P.S. Hey, I managed not to name a single book here...

[Victor Bazarov]

Mike Wahler wrote:

"Victor Bazarov" <v.********@comAcast.net> wrote in message
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BTW, you really need to conserve whitespace. If we go about wasting
whitespace like you did in your post, we may run out of it sooner than
we think.

Lots of snow at my place. You're welcome to some or all
of it if you run out of whitespace and need a substitute.

Do you think your substitute idea is gonna hold water?
(but you must pay for shipping).

:-)

:-)

[Mike Wahler]

"Victor Bazarov" <v.********@comAcast.net> wrote in message
news:XR*******************@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.t o.verio.net...

Mike Wahler wrote:

"Victor Bazarov" <v.********@comAcast.net> wrote in message
news:OI*******************@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.t o.verio.net...

BTW, you really need to conserve whitespace. If we go about wasting
whitespace like you did in your post, we may run out of it sooner than
we think.

Lots of snow at my place. You're welcome to some or all
of it if you run out of whitespace and need a substitute.

Do you think your substitute idea is gonna hold water?

In some climates, and for some applications, such as control
programs for refrigeration systems.

I also have a small quantity of yellow snow available for a
nominal additional fee.

:-)

-Mike

[Julián Albo]

Mike Wahler wrote:

BTW, you really need to conserve whitespace. If we go about wasting
whitespace like you did in your post, we may run out of it sooner than
we think.

Lots of snow at my place. You're welcome to some or all
of it if you run out of whitespace and need a substitute.
(but you must pay for shipping).

And when Stroustrup's proposal for witespace overloading will be included in
the standard, It will work for snow or we must to also overload snow?

--
Salu2

[Mike Wahler]

"Julián Albo" <JU********@terra.es> wrote in message
news:34*************@individual.net...

Mike Wahler wrote:

BTW, you really need to conserve whitespace. If we go about wasting
whitespace like you did in your post, we may run out of it sooner than
we think. Lots of snow at my place. You're welcome to some or all
of it if you run out of whitespace and need a substitute.
(but you must pay for shipping).

And when Stroustrup's proposal for witespace overloading will be included

in the standard, It will work for snow or we must to also overload snow?

I don't think such overloading would be practical,
as it would most likely produce an avalanche of bugs.

-Mike