Shifting in C

[manu]

Hi All,

I have executed the below program and got 0x1f as output...

Can anyone explain me why this output is coming instead of zero?

Compiler - gcc

int main()
{
unsigned long x = 65;
unsigned long y = 0x3F;

y = y >x;

printf("%x\n",y );

return 1;
}

[Richard Heathfield]

manu said:

Hi All,

I have executed the below program and got 0x1f as output...

Can anyone explain me why this output is coming instead of zero?

Compiler - gcc

int main()
{
unsigned long x = 65;
unsigned long y = 0x3F;

y = y >x;

If y has 65 or fewer bits (which it probably does), shifting 65 places
invokes undefined behaviour. Therefore any result, or none, is admissible
as far as implementation conformance is concerned.

3.3.7 Bitwise shift operators:
"If the value of the right operand is negative or is greater than or equal
to the width in bits of the promoted left operand, the behavior is
undefined."

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[Nick Keighley]

On 23 Jul, 08:08, manu <manumg...@gmai l.comwrote:

I have executed the below program and got 0x1f as output...

Can anyone explain me why this output is coming instead of zero?

Compiler - gcc

int main()
{
* * * * unsigned long x = 65;
unsigned long y = 0x3F;

* * * * y = y >x;

note C has a short version of this

y >>= x;

(someone else answered your actual question)

>
* * * * printf("%x\n",y );
* * * * return 1;
}

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[Martin Ambuhl]

manu wrote:

I have executed the below program and got 0x1f as output...

Can anyone explain me why this output is coming instead of zero?

Because the result of the shift operator is undefined when the value of
the right operand is greater than or equal to the width in bits of the
left operand. You attempt to shift an unsigned long by 65, but this has
a defined meaning only if sizeof(unsigned long)*CHAR_BIT is at least 66,
which appears not to be true for your implementation.

Additionally:

Here you need #include <stdio.h>. Omitting a prototype for a variadic
function (printf) is an error.

int main()
{
unsigned long x = 65;
unsigned long y = 0x3F;

y = y >x;

printf("%x\n",y );

^^
"%x" is a specifier for an unsigned int, not for an unsigned long.
"%x" is an error; it should be "%lx".

>
return 1;

^^^
The only value with defined meaning for this return when you don't
include <stdlib.his 0. If you #include <stdlib.hyou gain
EXIT_FAILURE and EXIT_SUCCESS, making 3 values with defined meaning, and
none of them is 1.

}

[manu]

On Jul 23, 1:13*pm, Martin Ambuhl <mamb...@earthl ink.netwrote:

manu wrote:

I have executed the below program and got 0x1f as output...
Can anyone explain me why this output is coming instead of zero?

Because the result of the shift operator is undefined when the value of
the right operand is greater than or equal to the width in bits of the
left operand. You attempt to shift an unsigned long by 65, but this has
a defined meaning only if sizeof(unsigned long)*CHAR_BIT is at least 66,
which appears not to be true for your implementation.

Additionally:

* *Here you need #include <stdio.h>. *Omitting a prototype for a variadic
* *function (printf) is an error.

int main()
{
* *unsigned long x = 65;
unsigned * long y = 0x3F;

* *y = y >x;

* *printf("%x\n", y);

* * * * * * * * *^^
* *"%x" is a specifier for an unsigned int, not for an unsigned long.
* *"%x" is an error; it should be "%lx".

* *return 1;

* * * * * * * *^^^
* *The only value with defined meaning for this return when you don't
include <stdlib.his 0. *If you #include <stdlib.hyou gain
EXIT_FAILURE and EXIT_SUCCESS, making 3 values with defined meaning, and
none of them is 1.

}

Thanks Richard,Nick and Martin for valuable information..

[Walter Roberson]

In article <H9************ *************** ***@bt.com>,
Richard Heathfield <rj*@see.sig.in validwrote:

>manu said:

>unsigned long x = 65;
unsigned long y = 0x3F;

>y = y >x;

>If y has 65 or fewer bits (which it probably does), shifting 65 places
invokes undefined behaviour. Therefore any result, or none, is admissible
as far as implementation conformance is concerned.

Additional information: at least one common processor family takes the
shift code modulo 32 when shifting 32 bit numbers. That's an
implementation detail and perfect permitted by the standard section
that Richard cited; just thought you might want to know how you
ended up with the particular answer you did.
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[Walter Banks]

Bet GCC masked x (and or mod) so shift would be <= of bits in y. If y had less than 65 bits then the shift would be 1 ie a result of 0x1f.

w..

manu wrote:

Hi All,

I have executed the below program and got 0x1f as output...

Can anyone explain me why this output is coming instead of zero?

Compiler - gcc

int main()
{
unsigned long x = 65;
unsigned long y = 0x3F;

y = y >x;

printf("%x\n",y );

return 1;
}

[Jack Klein]

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:02:08 +0000 (UTC), ro******@ibd.nr c-cnrc.gc.ca
(Walter Roberson) wrote in comp.lang.c:

In article <H9************ *************** ***@bt.com>,
Richard Heathfield <rj*@see.sig.in validwrote:

manu said:

unsigned long x = 65;
unsigned long y = 0x3F;

y = y >x;

If y has 65 or fewer bits (which it probably does), shifting 65 places
invokes undefined behaviour. Therefore any result, or none, is admissible
as far as implementation conformance is concerned.

Additional information: at least one common processor family takes the
shift code modulo 32 when shifting 32 bit numbers. That's an
implementation detail and perfect permitted by the standard section
that Richard cited; just thought you might want to know how you
ended up with the particular answer you did.

What particular answer did he wind up with? He most certainly did not
tell us. And regardless of the undefined behavior caused by the shift
itself, the program produces more undefined behavior by passing "%x"
as a conversion specifier to printf() with a type other than unsigned
int.

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[Richard Heathfield]

Jack Klein said:

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:02:08 +0000 (UTC), ro******@ibd.nr c-cnrc.gc.ca
(Walter Roberson) wrote in comp.lang.c:

<snip>

>

>just thought you might want to know how you
ended up with the particular answer you did.

What particular answer did he wind up with?

0x1f

He most certainly did not tell us.

Er, actually, he most certainly did. See the OP.

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