Re: Dev-C++ compiling problem in Vista

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On May 3, 8:09*am, apati...@gmail. com wrote:

I use Windows Vista Basic.

A programmer that uses Vista? :O

Vista is a hog of an operating system. Downgrade to Windows XP or get
yourself a Linux distro.

[Malcolm McLean]

"Tomás Ó hÉilidhe" <to*@lavabit.co mwrote in message

A programmer that uses Vista? :O

Vista is a hog of an operating system. Downgrade to Windows XP or get
yourself a Linux distro.

The Java system works reasonably well, even though its from Sun and I had to
install it myself.
Can't get anything much out of the freebie C/C++/C# compiler, however.

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[jacob navia]

Tomás Ó hÉilidhe wrote:

On May 3, 8:09 am, apati...@gmail. com wrote:

>I use Windows Vista Basic.

A programmer that uses Vista? :O

Vista is a hog of an operating system. Downgrade to Windows XP or get
yourself a Linux distro.

After downloading the last ubuntu, I stay with vista, sorry.
Last ubuntu
1) did not recognize the network card
2) Did not install X windows
3) you have to figure out that the system comes with a
mysterious root password. Since under unix you can't do
anything without the root password, you should know that
to change the root password you should open a shell and type
sudo passwd root
Obviously all unix exports will know that, but if you aren't...
4) After that it goes to tell me that the only resolution you have
is 1280x1024. Even if my monitor natively supports 1900x1200. No
way to change it.
5) First screen X windows shows a blank screen. No icons, no mouse,
no nothing. But if you reboot, the second time it will show you
a login screen , and then, the blank screen. Obviously you reboot
one time more and MIRACLE, you see a desktop. Nice isn't it?
6) If you left the screen saver run, you are doomed. Once the screen
saver takes over, there is NO AMOUNT of mouse clicks, keyboard
pressing, that will wake the machine up. Solution+
Type ctrl+Alt+F1, then you will see a text screen.
login.
type
ps ex
then see which process is the gnome display manager (gdm)
kill it with the command
kill -9 <gdm process number>
or just reboot...
7) The provided "media player" doesn't recognize the mp3 format.
You need to go to the internet, download some gizmo, install it,
see why it doesn't work, figure out if ubuntu still supports
"alsa" or if it only supports a new ubuntu sound standard... then
figure out which gizmo supports ubuntu mp3, etc etc.
8) Video playing doesn't work either.
9) But if you have an electric guitar you can tune it using some
provided software...

Happily I do not need ubuntu since I do not develop there.
By the way, the system comes without compiler. You have to download
gcc, then you have to figure out that you need the libraries, then gdb,
then you have

well, FORGET IT!

I rebooted into Vista.


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[Flash Gordon]

jacob navia wrote, On 03/05/08 14:17:

Tomás Ó hÉilidhe wrote:

>On May 3, 8:09 am, apati...@gmail. com wrote:

>>I use Windows Vista Basic.

A programmer that uses Vista? :O

Vista is a hog of an operating system. Downgrade to Windows XP or get
yourself a Linux distro.

After downloading the last ubuntu, I stay with vista, sorry.
Last ubuntu
1) did not recognize the network card

I've had that with Windows and Linux. In both cases the answer is the
same, find the correct drivers if they don't come with the OS.

2) Did not install X windows

By default it does, so you must have told it (deliberately or not) to
not install it.

3) you have to figure out that the system comes with a
mysterious root password. Since under unix you can't do
anything without the root password,

Wrong. Ubuntu is designed so that you can do everything without the root
password. For instance run up the GUI package manager and it prompts you
for *your* password and *that* allows you to install packages.

you should know that
to change the root password you should open a shell and type
sudo passwd root
Obviously all unix exports will know that, but if you aren't...

If you aren't you won't be using the shell as root so it does not
matter. However, it's in the docs I'm sure.

4) After that it goes to tell me that the only resolution you have
is 1280x1024. Even if my monitor natively supports 1900x1200. No
way to change it.

Same as with the networking, if true you just install the correct
drivers, just as is the case with Windows.

5) First screen X windows shows a blank screen. No icons, no mouse,
no nothing. But if you reboot, the second time it will show you
a login screen , and then, the blank screen. Obviously you reboot
one time more and MIRACLE, you see a desktop. Nice isn't it?

You obviously bolloxed up the install. Obviously you were doing strange
things or point 2 would not have been true. Bollocks up a Windows
install and it doesn't work.

6) If you left the screen saver run, you are doomed. Once the screen

<snip>

See previous comments.

7) The provided "media player" doesn't recognize the mp3 format.

Works fine for me.

You need to go to the internet, download some gizmo, install it,
see why it doesn't work, figure out if ubuntu still supports
"alsa" or if it only supports a new ubuntu sound standard... then
figure out which gizmo supports ubuntu mp3, etc etc.
8) Video playing doesn't work either.

Works fine for me.

9) But if you have an electric guitar you can tune it using some
provided software...

Happily I do not need ubuntu since I do not develop there.
By the way, the system comes without compiler. You have to download
gcc, then you have to figure out that you need the libraries, then gdb,
then you have

Wrong again. It *is* part of the distribution, just not installed by
default. The same applies to various pieces of SW distributed as part of
Windows.

well, FORGET IT!

I rebooted into Vista.

Bollocks up an install of *any* OS and you will have major problems with
it. By default, however, Ubuntu and other Linux distros do a good job of
detecting HW and installing correctly.

All off topic here of course, so this will be my only post on the subject.
--
Flash Gordon

[Kenny McCormack]

In article <fv**********@a ioe.org>, jacob navia <ja***@nospam.o rgwrote:

>Tomás Ó hÉilidhe wrote:

>On May 3, 8:09 am, apati...@gmail. com wrote:

>>I use Windows Vista Basic.

A programmer that uses Vista? :O

Vista is a hog of an operating system. Downgrade to Windows XP or get
yourself a Linux distro.

After downloading the last ubuntu, I stay with vista, sorry.
Last ubuntu
1) did not recognize the network card
2) Did not install X windows

<Etc.>

Yes. Ubuntu is friggin' weird. Totally nuts in my view.
It's friggin' Windows calling itself Linux.

Obvious advice: Get yourself a real distro.

ObParanoia: It is scary that Ubuntu seems to be getting the mindshare
these days. Maybe it is an MS plot...

[Eligiusz Narutowicz]

Flash Gordon <sp**@flash-gordon.me.ukwri tes:

jacob navia wrote, On 03/05/08 14:17:

>Tomás Ó hÉilidhe wrote:

>>On May 3, 8:09 am, apati...@gmail. com wrote:

I use Windows Vista Basic.
A programmer that uses Vista? :O

Vista is a hog of an operating system. Downgrade to Windows XP or get
yourself a Linux distro.

After downloading the last ubuntu, I stay with vista, sorry.
Last ubuntu
1) did not recognize the network card

I've had that with Windows and Linux. In both cases the answer is the
same, find the correct drivers if they don't come with the OS.

>2) Did not install X windows

By default it does, so you must have told it (deliberately or not) to
not install it.

>3) you have to figure out that the system comes with a
mysterious root password. Since under unix you can't do
anything without the root password,

Wrong. Ubuntu is designed so that you can do everything without the
root password. For instance run up the GUI package manager and it
prompts you for *your* password and *that* allows you to install
packages.

>you should know that
to change the root password you should open a shell and type
sudo passwd root
Obviously all unix exports will know that, but if you aren't...

If you aren't you won't be using the shell as root so it does not
matter. However, it's in the docs I'm sure.

>4) After that it goes to tell me that the only resolution you have
is 1280x1024. Even if my monitor natively supports 1900x1200. No
way to change it.

Same as with the networking, if true you just install the correct
drivers, just as is the case with Windows.

>5) First screen X windows shows a blank screen. No icons, no mouse,
no nothing. But if you reboot, the second time it will show you
a login screen , and then, the blank screen. Obviously you reboot
one time more and MIRACLE, you see a desktop. Nice isn't it?

You obviously bolloxed up the install. Obviously you were doing
strange things or point 2 would not have been true. Bollocks up a
Windows install and it doesn't work.

>6) If you left the screen saver run, you are doomed. Once the screen

<snip>

See previous comments.

>7) The provided "media player" doesn't recognize the mp3 format.

Works fine for me.

> You need to go to the internet, download some gizmo, install it,
see why it doesn't work, figure out if ubuntu still supports
"alsa" or if it only supports a new ubuntu sound standard... then
figure out which gizmo supports ubuntu mp3, etc etc.
8) Video playing doesn't work either.

Works fine for me.

>9) But if you have an electric guitar you can tune it using some
provided software...

Happily I do not need ubuntu since I do not develop there.
By the way, the system comes without compiler. You have to download
gcc, then you have to figure out that you need the libraries, then gdb,
then you have

Wrong again. It *is* part of the distribution, just not installed by
default. The same applies to various pieces of SW distributed as part
of Windows.

He is right. The system does not come with a compiler. You must install
it via aptitude or synaptic.

>

>well, FORGET IT!

I rebooted into Vista.

Bollocks up an install of *any* OS and you will have major problems
with it. By default, however, Ubuntu and other Linux distros do a good
job of detecting HW and installing correctly.

All off topic here of course, so this will be my only post on the
subject.

?

[santosh]

Kenny McCormack wrote:

<snip>

Yes. Ubuntu is friggin' weird. Totally nuts in my view.
It's friggin' Windows calling itself Linux.

Obvious advice: Get yourself a real distro.

Yes, Slackware obviously.

ObParanoia: It is scary that Ubuntu seems to be getting the mindshare
these days. Maybe it is an MS plot...

Deplorable indeed. I wonder why everyone doesn't build their own Linux
system like Gerard Beekmans. That's how real hackers do it!

[jacob navia]

santosh wrote:

Kenny McCormack wrote:

<snip>

>Yes. Ubuntu is friggin' weird. Totally nuts in my view.
It's friggin' Windows calling itself Linux.

Obvious advice: Get yourself a real distro.

Yes, Slackware obviously.

>ObParanoia: It is scary that Ubuntu seems to be getting the mindshare
these days. Maybe it is an MS plot...

Deplorable indeed. I wonder why everyone doesn't build their own Linux
system like Gerard Beekmans. That's how real hackers do it!

Do you have a recommendation? (URL, best way to download it, etc?)
thanks
--
jacob navia
jacob at jacob point remcomp point fr
logiciels/informatique
http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~lcc-win32

[santosh]

jacob navia wrote:

santosh wrote:

>Kenny McCormack wrote:

<snip>

>>Yes. Ubuntu is friggin' weird. Totally nuts in my view.
It's friggin' Windows calling itself Linux.

Obvious advice: Get yourself a real distro.

Yes, Slackware obviously.

>>ObParanoia: It is scary that Ubuntu seems to be getting the
mindshare
these days. Maybe it is an MS plot...

Deplorable indeed. I wonder why everyone doesn't build their own
Linux system like Gerard Beekmans. That's how real hackers do it!

Do you have a recommendation? (URL, best way to download it, etc?)
thanks

Sure:

<http://www.linuxfromsc ratch.org/>

but I doubt you'll like this when Ubuntu is apparently too difficult for
you.

[jacob navia]

santosh wrote:

jacob navia wrote:

>santosh wrote:

>>Kenny McCormack wrote:

<snip>

Yes. Ubuntu is friggin' weird. Totally nuts in my view.
It's friggin' Windows calling itself Linux.

Obvious advice: Get yourself a real distro.
Yes, Slackware obviously.

ObParanoia : It is scary that Ubuntu seems to be getting the
mindshare
these days. Maybe it is an MS plot...
Deplorable indeed. I wonder why everyone doesn't build their own
Linux system like Gerard Beekmans. That's how real hackers do it!

Do you have a recommendation? (URL, best way to download it, etc?)
thanks

Sure:

<http://www.linuxfromsc ratch.org/>

but I doubt you'll like this when Ubuntu is apparently too difficult for
you.

Of course it is not "difficult" , and I have been doing Unix since
1987... I can solve all those problems if I wanted to, but the point
is that now it just bores me, still in 2008 fiddling around with the
X config files, chasing drivers, installing this and that, fixing the
bugs...

What bothers me more is that the old versions of linux did not have
this kind of problems that often, and that now the point is not
to make a simpler system for everyone, but just to make server
side software that pleases the people that finance linux (IBM,
RedHat, and some others) but doesn't care at all of the normal user.

Microsoft software is much more user friendly not because they
have a BIG BUDGET, but because they care about the end user a
bit more... Unix has this problematic attitude of relying in the
"systems administrator", and just being unfriendly for no reason.

Personally I have tried to make a system that it is easy to use.
lcc-win tries (not always with success) to be easy to use, easy to
install, without adding features without need.

Microsoft had a different attitude towards the end user as the unix
people. Unix was for the "higher ups"... Microsoft choose to cater
the end user...

It was a strategic mistake from the Unix guys, and linux has taken that
wrong tradition, that is why it bothers me.

I thought that they would try to make what Steve jobs did: make
unix user friendly.

No, they choose to follow the old unix path: just suppose there is
a "system administrator" and do not care about the end user.

And that is why linux doesn't get any more market share.

The reaction from many people here is so telling:

"You screwed your installation". Always the fault of badly designed
software is in the end user!

I downloaded the ubuntu software, burned it into a DVD and followed
the instructions. Nothing else.

Gnome is not installed by default. Sorry. Nor KDE, nor nothing.

When it reboots after the first installation it shows you a
"login"
prompt, that is all. You have to call "aptitude" to install the
rest.

And after a while I know "aptitude", its quirks, etc.

But would my wife know how to use that?

And sorry, mp3 are not recognized by default because mp3 is NOT
an open format for music. OGG is, but mp3 is not. And the debian
based Ubuntu has the same "political" line of boycotting the formats
that are propietary or somehow not to the latest taste of GNU;

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jacob navia
jacob at jacob point remcomp point fr
logiciels/informatique
http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~lcc-win32