How to determine a short variable signed or not

[Z-Z]

Hi,

I used the following macro to determine variable signed or not, but only
find that it is useless for a short or char variable. I think that it might
caused by value conversion rules. I used VC.

#define ISUNSIGNED(a) (a>=0 && ~a>= 0)

Who knows the reason and other methods to determine short varible signed or
not?

Thanks.
Zoe

[Chris Dollin]

Z-Z wrote:

I used the following macro to determine variable signed or not, but only
find that it is useless for a short or char variable. I think that it might
caused by value conversion rules. I used VC.

#define ISUNSIGNED(a) (a>=0 && ~a>= 0)

Who knows the reason and other methods to determine short varible signed or
not?

I read the code.

What on Earth are you trying to do that depends on whether a short is
signed or not? It feels ... fragile. Maybe if you explained the
actual problem we could offer a more robust solution.

--
Chris "hopefully not Pyecroft" Dollin
A rock is not a fact. A rock is a rock.

[Z-Z]

Hi,

Ok. I only want to know why the following two cases have different results :

Case 1:
unsigned short number1 = 1;
signed short number2 = 1;

if(ISUNSIGNED(n umber1))
{
printf("number 1 is unsigned \n");
}
if(ISUNSIGNED2( number2))
{
printf("number 2 is unsigned\n");
}
No printout and seemed that it can't figure out variable unsigned .

Case 2:
unsigned int number1 = 1;
signed int number2 = 1;

if(ISUNSIGNED(n umber1))
{
printf("number 1 is unsigned \n");
}
if(ISUNSIGNED2( number2))
{
printf("number 2 is unsigned\n");
}
Printout: number1 is unsigned. It works!

Bests,
Zoe

"Chris Dollin" <ch**********@h p.comwrote in message
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Z-Z wrote:

>I used the following macro to determine variable signed or not, but only
find that it is useless for a short or char variable. I think that it
might
caused by value conversion rules. I used VC.

#define ISUNSIGNED(a) (a>=0 && ~a>= 0)

Who knows the reason and other methods to determine short varible signed
or
not?

I read the code.

What on Earth are you trying to do that depends on whether a short is
signed or not? It feels ... fragile. Maybe if you explained the
actual problem we could offer a more robust solution.

--
Chris "hopefully not Pyecroft" Dollin
A rock is not a fact. A rock is a rock.

[Z-Z]

Sorry, the macro used in the previous message should be
ISUNSIGNED, no ISUNSIGNED2.

Bests,

"Z-Z" <z-*@hotmail.comwr ote in message
news:3o******** ************@ne ws1.nokia.com.. .

Hi,

Ok. I only want to know why the following two cases have different results
:

Case 1:
unsigned short number1 = 1;
signed short number2 = 1;

if(ISUNSIGNED(n umber1))
{
printf("number 1 is unsigned \n");
}
if(ISUNSIGNED2( number2))
{
printf("number 2 is unsigned\n");
}
No printout and seemed that it can't figure out variable unsigned .

Case 2:
unsigned int number1 = 1;
signed int number2 = 1;

if(ISUNSIGNED(n umber1))
{
printf("number 1 is unsigned \n");
}
if(ISUNSIGNED2( number2))
{
printf("number 2 is unsigned\n");
}
Printout: number1 is unsigned. It works!

Bests,
Zoe

"Chris Dollin" <ch**********@h p.comwrote in message
news:en******** **@murdoch.hpl. hp.com...

>Z-Z wrote:

>>I used the following macro to determine variable signed or not, but only
find that it is useless for a short or char variable. I think that it
might
caused by value conversion rules. I used VC.

#define ISUNSIGNED(a) (a>=0 && ~a>= 0)

Who knows the reason and other methods to determine short varible signed
or
not?

I read the code.

What on Earth are you trying to do that depends on whether a short is
signed or not? It feels ... fragile. Maybe if you explained the
actual problem we could offer a more robust solution.

--
Chris "hopefully not Pyecroft" Dollin
A rock is not a fact. A rock is a rock.

[Chris Dollin]

Z-Z wrote:

(PLEASE DON'T TOP-POST. Fixed here.)

"Chris Dollin" <ch**********@h p.comwrote in message
news:en******** **@murdoch.hpl. hp.com...

>Z-Z wrote:

>>I used the following macro to determine variable signed or not, but only
find that it is useless for a short or char variable. I think that it
might
caused by value conversion rules. I used VC.

#define ISUNSIGNED(a) (a>=0 && ~a>= 0)

Who knows the reason and other methods to determine short varible signed
or
not?

I read the code.

What on Earth are you trying to do that depends on whether a short is
signed or not? It feels ... fragile. Maybe if you explained the
actual problem we could offer a more robust solution.

Ok. I only want to know why the following two cases have different results :

Case 1:
unsigned short number1 = 1;
signed short number2 = 1;

if(ISUNSIGNED(n umber1))
{
printf("number 1 is unsigned \n");
}
if(ISUNSIGNED2( number2))
{
printf("number 2 is unsigned\n");
}
No printout and seemed that it can't figure out variable unsigned .

Case 2:
unsigned int number1 = 1;
signed int number2 = 1;

if(ISUNSIGNED(n umber1))
{
printf("number 1 is unsigned \n");
}
if(ISUNSIGNED2( number2))
{
printf("number 2 is unsigned\n");
}
Printout: number1 is unsigned. It works!

In your implementation (and many others), unsigned short is
promoted to (signed) int. This is the "value-preserving"
promotion rule (as opposed to the "[un]signedness-preserving"
rule that I seem to recall was present in <quantifierpr e-ANSI
C implementations ).

Your macro

#define ISUNSIGNED(a) (a>=0 && ~a>= 0)

doesn't work. Was there an actual problem you were trying to
solve?

--
Chris "hopefully not Pyecroft" Dollin
"Never ask that question!" Ambassador Kosh, /Babylon 5/

[Nick Keighley]

please don't top post. I have rearranged your post

Z-Z wrote:"Chris Dollin" <ch**********@h p.comwrote in message

news:en******** **@murdoch.hpl. hp.com...

Z-Z wrote:

I used the following macro to determine variable signed or not, but only
find that it is useless for a short or char variable. I think that it
might
caused by value conversion rules. I used VC.

#define ISUNSIGNED(a) (a>=0 && ~a>= 0)

Who knows the reason and other methods to determine short varible signed
or not?

I read the code.

What on Earth are you trying to do that depends on whether a short is
signed or not? It feels ... fragile. Maybe if you explained the
actual problem we could offer a more robust solution.

--
Chris "hopefully not Pyecroft" Dollin
A rock is not a fact. A rock is a rock.

please remove sigs when replying

Ok. I only want to know why the following two cases have different results :

Case 1:
unsigned short number1 = 1;
signed short number2 = 1;

if(ISUNSIGNED(n umber1))
{
printf("number 1 is unsigned \n");
}
if(ISUNSIGNED2( number2))
{
printf("number 2 is unsigned\n");
}
No printout and seemed that it can't figure out variable unsigned .

Case 2:
unsigned int number1 = 1;
signed int number2 = 1;

if(ISUNSIGNED(n umber1))
{
printf("number 1 is unsigned \n");
}
if(ISUNSIGNED2( number2))
{
printf("number 2 is unsigned\n");
}
Printout: number1 is unsigned. It works!

but WHY do you want to do this? What is your real-world problem?
--
Nick Keighley

[Z-Z]

Thanks for your answer and correction.

There is no actual problem. In fact, this came from a execrise: write code
to figure out whether a variable is signed or not.

Yes, you are right. The rule can be found in K&R C:

Sounds a silly question: could I say that the exercise question is
meaningless for a shorter and char?
Zoe

[Z-Z]

Thanks for your correction and answer.

>but WHY do you want to do this? What is your real-world problem?

There is no actual problem. In fact, this came from a execrise: write code
to figure out whether a variable is signed or not. I tried the above macro
and found that it couldn't work for short type.Now the reason is known.
Chris said that this caused by "value-preserving".

Zoe