Higer level code is always specialized and often full of unfixable bugs.

[Jeff_Relf]

Hi Olaf_Baeyens ( and Linonut ),

Microsoft C++ is really it's latest version of MS_C,
as Microsoft is not supporting the latest C standard, C99.

cout and the STL are pure garbage and should not be used, I say.
All the same, I use C++ ( MS_C_7 )
as it allows be to declare variables in_between statements.

I also use C++'s & a lot as references look cleaner than pointers.

C has been around for a long time,
and will continue to be around long after C# and Java are forgotten.

The higer a language is,
e.g. VBA scripts in MS_Word, the shorter it's lifespan.

The problem with high_level languages like C# and Java
is that they never quite reach the status of being a genuine standard,
as few can agree on what the higher level stuff should look like.

Higer level code is always specialized and often full of unfixable bugs.

P.S. Experienced C coders don't require weeks just to create a button.

[American Pope]

Jeff_Relf wrote:

Hi Olaf_Baeyens ( and Linonut ),

Microsoft C++ is really it's latest version of MS_C,
as Microsoft is not supporting the latest C standard, C99.
First you're all like low-level and stuff, and then you subscribe to a
garbage language like c++

c is the answer and it always will be.

c/unix/linux is the lingua franca of the whole world.

all variants as pasty-faced dough languages for corporate pretty boys
who tote around UML diagrams in "architectural meetings".


cout and the STL are pure garbage and should not be used, I say.
All the same, I use C++ ( MS_C_7 )
as it allows be to declare variables in_between statements.

I also use C++'s & a lot as references look cleaner than pointers.

C has been around for a long time,
and will continue to be around long after C# and Java are forgotten.

The higer a language is,
e.g. VBA scripts in MS_Word, the shorter it's lifespan.

The problem with high_level languages like C# and Java
is that they never quite reach the status of being a genuine standard,
as few can agree on what the higher level stuff should look like.

Higer level code is always specialized and often full of unfixable bugs.

P.S. Experienced C coders don't require weeks just to create a button.

[Jeff_Relf]

Hi Chinese_Pope, Ya writ: << C is the answer and it always will be. >>

And the most recent version of that, according to Microsoft, is C++,
because they're not going the C99 route.

C++ is just as low as C, because cout and the STL are optional.

[Olaf Baeyens]

> P.S. Experienced C coders don't require weeks just to create a button.

I was making it sounding a little bit more dramatic. :-)
I was not referring to the button itself, but about the code behind that
button that should interoperate with the user interface.
E.g. active feed-back like a status bar, progress bar,....

---
http://www.skyscan.be

[Jeff_Relf]

Hi Olaf_Baeyens, Re: My comment that experienced C coders
don't require weeks just to create a button,

You told me: << I was making it sounding a little bit more dramatic. :-)
I was not referring to the button itself, but about the code behind that
button that should interoperate with the user interface.
E.g. active feed-back like a status bar, progress bar. >>

It takes years to really perfect code,
because testing dwarfs the time it took to bang out the code.

During those years, short-sighted compromises,
like using C#, Java, COM or HTML, can come back to bite you,
....beacuse the C++ guy could sneek up behind you and offer a better product.

[Olaf Baeyens]

> First you're all like low-level and stuff, and then you subscribe to a

garbage language like c++

c is the answer and it always will be.

c/unix/linux is the lingua franca of the whole world.

How odd that a lot of people claming that C is the top and linux is the top
tend to use fake names in the posts?
And that people that are more realistic actually are more brave to user
their real names.

--
http://www.skyscan.be

[Peter Köhlmann]

begin virus.scr Olaf Baeyens wrote:

First you're all like low-level and stuff, and then you subscribe to a
garbage language like c++

c is the answer and it always will be.

c/unix/linux is the lingua franca of the whole world.

How odd that a lot of people claming that C is the top and linux is the
top tend to use fake names in the posts?
And that people that are more realistic actually are more brave to user
their real names.

How come that you think that JBailo is actually a linux user?

[Michael Gray]

On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 01:18:27 -0700, American Pope
<am***********@vatican.us> wrote:

Jeff_Relf wrote:

Hi Olaf_Baeyens ( and Linonut ),

Microsoft C++ is really it's latest version of MS_C,
as Microsoft is not supporting the latest C standard, C99.

First you're all like low-level and stuff, and then you subscribe to a
garbage language like c++

c is the answer and it always will be.

c/unix/linux is the lingua franca of the whole world.

all variants as pasty-faced dough languages for corporate pretty boys
who tote around UML diagrams in "architectural meetings".

:

Real men program in machine code through binary toggle switches on
front panels.
'C' is for wimps.

[Jeff_Relf]

Hi Olaf_Baeyens ( and Peter_Kohlmann, Bailo ),

You asked: << Odd, why would somone name a screen saver with my name in it
and send as an attachment it to this newsgroup ? >>

Pete started his post with: << begin virus.scr Olaf Baeyens wrote: >>
I he does that because of his brain tumor, I believe.

Also, Pete, as a demo of Linux's Knode in action,
redirected your post to parts unknown... again, I blame it on his tumor.

You asked: << How odd that a lot of people claming that C is the top
and linux is the top tend to use fake names in the posts ?
And that people that are more realistic
actually are more brave to user their real names. >>

Jeff_Relf is my given name, I was born in Seattle at the start of 1960.
Bailo, a.k.a. Chinese_Pope, is a rapid nymshifter in Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy .

C# might well be the best language for certain things,
just not the things that do.

[Jeff_Relf]

Hi Michael_Gray, Ya writ: << Real men program in machine code
through binary toggle switches on front panels. C is for wimps. >>

No, Real men design and forge their own CPUs, using ores dug out by hand.

[Olaf Baeyens]

> You asked: << Odd, why would somone name a screen saver with my name in
it

and send as an attachment it to this newsgroup ? >>

Pete started his post with: << begin virus.scr Olaf Baeyens wrote: >>
I he does that because of his brain tumor, I believe.
Odd that the "virus.scr Olaf Baeyens wrote" part ended up as an attachment
in Outlook express.
And who is JBailo???

But the real message would have looked like this I assume:

--------------begin virus.scr Olaf Baeyens wrote:

First you're all like low-level and stuff, and then you subscribe to a
garbage language like c++

c is the answer and it always will be.

c/unix/linux is the lingua franca of the whole world.

How odd that a lot of people claming that C is the top and linux is the
top tend to use fake names in the posts?
And that people that are more realistic actually are more brave to user
their real names.

How come that you think that JBailo is actually a linux user?

[Peter Köhlmann]

begin virus.scr Olaf Baeyens wrote:

You asked: << Odd, why would somone name a screen saver with my name in it

and send as an attachment it to this newsgroup ? >>

Pete started his post with: << begin virus.scr Olaf Baeyens wrote: >>
I he does that because of his brain tumor, I believe.

Odd that the "virus.scr Olaf Baeyens wrote" part ended up as an attachment
in Outlook express.

What do you think is odd about that? After all OE is a POS, a steaming one
at hat
And who is JBailo???

A retard. Posts under dozens of different names, to escape killfiles
He is no linux user, although he often pretends to be one. That only fools
widiots

< snip >

end
--
begin untitled1.pif
Hi. I'm a real nasty virus. Download me
end

[Linønut]

Olaf Baeyens poked his little head through the XP firewall and said:

First you're all like low-level and stuff, and then you subscribe to a
garbage language like c++

c is the answer and it always will be.

c/unix/linux is the lingua franca of the whole world.

How odd that a lot of people claming that C is the top and linux is the
top tend to use fake names in the posts? And that people that are more
realistic actually are more brave to user their real names.

Ridiculuous statement.

I do it for two reasons:

1. It really cuts down on the spam I get, in a major way.

2. I tend to curse a lot when I write, or get obnoxious, and
it is unpleasant to google for your own name and see some
of your more insane postings. <oy vey!>

--
When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
When all you have is Microsoft software, everything looks like Windows.

[billwg]

Jeff_Relf wrote:

Hi Olaf_Baeyens, Re: My comment that experienced C coders
don't require weeks just to create a button,

You told me: << I was making it sounding a little bit more dramatic. :-)
I was not referring to the button itself, but about the code behind that
button that should interoperate with the user interface.
E.g. active feed-back like a status bar, progress bar. >>

It takes years to really perfect code,
because testing dwarfs the time it took to bang out the code.

During those years, short-sighted compromises,
like using C#, Java, COM or HTML, can come back to bite you,
...beacuse the C++ guy could sneek up behind you and offer a better product.

A lot of hypothetical results and not much logic there, Jeff.

With C# the button is already designed and you just drag it into the
product from a list and place it on a form that uses it. The code
behind it is mostly there automatically. You can give it a name that
you like, else the IDE will give it a unique name anyway. It likes to
start with Button1.

[Jeff_Relf]

Hi Linonut, Re: Why you don't use your real name,

I use my real name, and, although I have written some embarrassing stuff,
I can't think of who'd care about that or why.

Also, I barely remember what spam is, I get so little of it.

On_the_fly e-mail aliases via Cotse.NET kills spam dead.
Aliases allow me to precisely identify all senders,
....I kill the sender's alias if he bothers me.

My hyper_custom e-mail client, X.EXE, automatically assigns aliases.

Firefox, of course, blocks all pop-ups and makes Flash Click_to_play.

[chrisv]

American Pope wrote:

Jeff_Relf wrote:

*plonk*

[Jeff_Relf]

Hi Olaf_Baeyens, Re: Pete's: << begin virus.scr Olaf Baeyens wrote: >>,
Ya told me: << Odd that the " virus.scr Olaf Baeyens wrote " part
ended up as an attachment in Outlook express. >>

That's an Outlook flaw. I recomend that you use 40tude_Dialog instead.

You asked me: << And who is JBailo ??? >>

I have No idea, but I think he's the Don Quixote of Linuxdom.
His/Her real name is Joan_Fickle_Bailo .
I love his posts because he's the only one 'round here that talks about:
Food, music, sex, jokes, computers, physics, Seattle, securities, etc.

Everyone else is too worried about being Off_Topic .

Re: Peter_Kolemann's insane posts, You asked: <<
But the real message would have looked like this I assume: ... >>

Use Google's advanced search to find Pete's:
news:d3*************@news.t-online.com
and then click the link that shows you the Original article.

[Olaf Baeyens]

>> Hi Olaf_Baeyens, Re: Pete's: << begin virus.scr Olaf Baeyens wrote:

,
Ya told me: << Odd that the " virus.scr Olaf Baeyens wrote " part
ended up as an attachment in Outlook express. >>

That's an Outlook flaw. I recomend that you use 40tude_Dialog instead.

Outlook flaw or not, his mesages are the only ones that I cannot read.
And I am not going to decode every message he sends.

But I am wondering why the "virus.scr" part is included in the text?
A "virus"= something bad.
A ".scr" = screen saver on Windows machines.

And a "virus.scr" seems to look like a screen saver containing a virus from
the point of simple user view.
Especially when found in the attachment and when clicked has a attachment
filename: "virus.scr Olaf Baeyens wrote"

Unless it is his intention to scare people or shock people, it is not a very
wise choice to keep it like that even when it is a bug in Outlook express.

[Jeff_Relf]

Hi billwg, Re: How a C++ coder could easily beat a C# coder,
You told me: << A lot of hypothetical results and not much logic there, Jeff.
With C# the button is already designed
and you just drag it into the product
from a list and place it on a form that uses it.
The code behind it is mostly there automatically.
You can give it a name that you like,
else the IDE will give it a unique name anyway.
It likes to start with Button1. >>

C#'s dialog editor stinks.
Your Button1, for example, is just a window of the BUTTON class,
and it doesn't scale well to different screens.

Fonts are often too small or too large,
and text often doesn't fit inside the Button1, for example.

My X.CPP employs only one window, created by a call to CreateWindowExA().
The window is always maximized, with only Win_XP's Start bar showing,
it has no pop-ups as a rule.

Black is always the background color, even when highlighting,

The font is always 80 columns, monospaced,
with nothing automatically wrapped, as a rule
....wrapping is done only by hand.

Of course X has no editor at the moment, it uses Visual_Studio,
so who am I to talk ?

But just the Idea of writting my own editor,
using only one window, appeals to me.

[Jeff_Relf]

Hi Olaf_Baeyens, Re: Peter_Kolemann's tolling,
You told me: << Outlook flaw or not,
his mesages are the only ones that I cannot read.
And I am not going to decode every message he sends. >>

You're not missing anything trust me. He does that to annoy people.
He redirects people's relies to him to parts unknown for the same reason.

You asked me: <<
But I am wondering why the "virus.scr" part is included in the text ?
A "virus"= something bad. A ".scr" = screen saver on Windows machines.

And a "virus.scr" seems to look like
a screen saver containing a virus from the point of simple user view.
Especially when found in the attachment
and when clicked has a attachment filename: "virus.scr Olaf Baeyens wrote"

Unless it is his intention to scare people or shock people,
it is not a very wise choice to keep it like that
even when it is a bug in Outlook express. >>

People tell him that all the time,
that's about that only thing he enjoys talking about,
....you just made his day.

[chrisv]

Olaf Baeyens wrote:

Unless it is his intention to scare people or shock people, it is not a very
wise choice to keep it like that even when it is a bug in Outlook express.

Idiot. It's obviously intentional.

[Tukla Ratte]

"Olaf Baeyens" <ol**********@skyscan.be> writes:

< snip >

And that people that are more realistic actually are more brave to user
their real names.

How is that "brave"?

--
Tukla, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism

[Olaf Baeyens]

>> And that people that are more realistic actually are more brave to user

their real names.

How is that "brave"?

Daring to stick your real name on, what you say.
Some people here make a lot of noise but they hide behind a nick name.

[Back By Demand]

Olaf Baeyens wrote:

And that people that are more realistic actually are more brave to user
their real names.

How is that "brave"?

Daring to stick your real name on, what you say.
Some people here make a lot of noise but they hide behind a nick name.

Right, and like "Olaf Baeyens" is a real name...gimme a break!

[Peter Köhlmann]

begin virus.scr Back By Demand wrote:

Olaf Baeyens wrote:

And that people that are more realistic actually are more brave to user
their real names.

How is that "brave"?

Daring to stick your real name on, what you say.
Some people here make a lot of noise but they hide behind a nick name.

Right, and like "Olaf Baeyens" is a real name...gimme a break!

Leave it to JBailo to make the real stupid posts. Like this one
Did you notice from where Olaf posts? Could you perhaps imagine that they
have different names in Belgium?
No, I guess you can't. Way too stupid for that

[Olaf Baeyens]

>>>>And that people that are more realistic actually are more brave to user

their real names.

How is that "brave"?

Daring to stick your real name on, what you say.
Some people here make a lot of noise but they hide behind a nick name.

Right, and like "Olaf Baeyens" is a real name...gimme a break!

Ohhhh, why would that not be my real name? Curious. :-)

[chrisv]

Olaf Baeyens wrote:

Ohhhh, why would that not be my real name? Curious. :-)

*plonk*