Hi,
I unerstand that if you choose IIS to host your .Net Remotingcomponents with HTTP channel and SOAP formatter, you get thebuilt-in security and configuraion features of IIS. Also we canexpose it to use for the web services clients. But using HTTPwith SOAP has got the least performance amoung all others (exTCP with Binary etc).
The question is what are the advantages of using http with SOAPover http with Binary formatter?
What are the other benifits of using IIS with http and SOAP?
Pankaj
User submitted from AEWNET ( http://www.aewnet.com/) 6  2402 
No firewall hassle?
--
Miha Markic [MVP C#] - RightHand .NET consulting & development
SLODUG - Slovene Developer Users Group www.rthand.com
"Guest" <Guest@aew_nospam.com> wrote in message
news:OK**************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
Hi,
I unerstand that if you choose IIS to host your .Net Remoting components
with HTTP channel and SOAP formatter, you get the built-in security and
configuraion features of IIS. Also we can expose it to use for the web
services clients. But using HTTP with SOAP has got the least performance
amoung all others (ex TCP with Binary etc).
The question is what are the advantages of using http with SOAP over http
with Binary formatter?
What are the other benifits of using IIS with http and SOAP?
Pankaj
User submitted from AEWNET ( http://www.aewnet.com/)
The only thing the SOAP formatter is useful for is to be able to look at the message structure on the wire when debugging.
Personally I think they shoiuld delete it from the framework - I have never, in production, used the SOAP formatter its slower and adds no benefit
HTTP/Binary is just as firewall friendly as HTTP/SOAP unless the firewall is using content based filtering (which very few do in my experience).
Regards
Richard Blewett - DevelopMentor http://www.dotnetconsult.co.uk/weblog http://www.dotnetconsult.co.uk
No firewall hassle?
--
Miha Markic [MVP C#] - RightHand .NET consulting & development
SLODUG - Slovene Developer Users Group www.rthand.com
"Guest" <Guest@aew_nospam.com> wrote in message
news:OK**************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
Hi,
I unerstand that if you choose IIS to host your .Net Remoting components
with HTTP channel and SOAP formatter, you get the built-in security and
configuraion features of IIS. Also we can expose it to use for the web
services clients. But using HTTP with SOAP has got the least performance
amoung all others (ex TCP with Binary etc).
The question is what are the advantages of using http with SOAP over http
with Binary formatter?
What are the other benifits of using IIS with http and SOAP?
Pankaj
User submitted from AEWNET ( http://www.aewnet.com/)
--
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.9 - Release Date: 06/01/2005
[microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.csharp]
Ah, right - I though he was comparing http with tcp.
--
Miha Markic [MVP C#] - RightHand .NET consulting & development
SLODUG - Slovene Developer Users Group www.rthand.com
"Richard Blewett [DevelopMentor]" <ri******@NOSPAMdevelop.com> wrote in
message news:eW**************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... The only thing the SOAP formatter is useful for is to be able to look at
the message structure on the wire when debugging.
Personally I think they shoiuld delete it from the framework - I have
never, in production, used the SOAP formatter its slower and adds no
benefit
HTTP/Binary is just as firewall friendly as HTTP/SOAP unless the firewall
is using content based filtering (which very few do in my experience).
Regards
Richard Blewett - DevelopMentor
http://www.dotnetconsult.co.uk/weblog
http://www.dotnetconsult.co.uk
No firewall hassle?
--
Miha Markic [MVP C#] - RightHand .NET consulting & development
SLODUG - Slovene Developer Users Group
www.rthand.com
"Guest" <Guest@aew_nospam.com> wrote in message
news:OK**************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
Hi,
I unerstand that if you choose IIS to host your .Net Remoting components
with HTTP channel and SOAP formatter, you get the built-in security and
configuraion features of IIS. Also we can expose it to use for the web
services clients. But using HTTP with SOAP has got the least performance
amoung all others (ex TCP with Binary etc).
The question is what are the advantages of using http with SOAP over http
with Binary formatter?
What are the other benifits of using IIS with http and SOAP?
Pankaj
User submitted from AEWNET (http://www.aewnet.com/)
--
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.9 - Release Date: 06/01/2005
[microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.csharp]
Hello Richard, Personally I think they shoiuld delete it from the framework - I have
never, in production, used the SOAP formatter its slower and adds no benefit
The SOAP formatter, while less speedy than the binary formatter, is
necessary for SOA implementations. It is, in fact, essential.
One of the problems with HTTP/Binary formats is that we have optimized for
speed to the detriment of maintainability.
However, in the wild majority of apps that expose an EXTERNAL interface,
speed is not a driving factor, while maintenance costs will far far outweigh
the benefit of speed *on that interface* over its lifetime.
One of the advantages of SOA-based applications is that you can create a
discoverable external interface as part of a previously internal one simply
by adding a proxy. In other words, if you have a web layer in a farm that
is accessing a business layer over HTTP/Binary, then a well-executed
architecture would also provide a SOAP proxy to call the Binary objects,
thus allowing ANY application that needs the services of the business layer
to call it, without it being created at the same time by the same team.
The elements of discoverability and the ability to see and debug information
flowing over the network, is important in that case, even though the
interface was not originally developed for those needs. Clearly the proxy
can be developed on an as-needed basis. However, the cost of developing a
small integration object of this kind is low compared to the cost of
developing integration code that has to cross binary boundaries, especially
if the calling environment is not .Net or Windows.
HTH,
--
--- Nick Malik [Microsoft]
MCSD, CFPS, Certified Scrummaster
http://blogs.msdn.com/nickmalik
Disclaimer: Opinions expressed in this forum are my own, and not
representative of my employer.
I do not answer questions on behalf of my employer. I'm just a
programmer helping programmers.
--
"Richard Blewett [DevelopMentor]" <ri******@NOSPAMdevelop.com> wrote in
message news:eW**************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... The only thing the SOAP formatter is useful for is to be able to look at
the message structure on the wire when debugging.
Personally I think they shoiuld delete it from the framework - I have
never, in production, used the SOAP formatter its slower and adds no benefit
HTTP/Binary is just as firewall friendly as HTTP/SOAP unless the firewall
is using content based filtering (which very few do in my experience).
Regards
Richard Blewett - DevelopMentor
http://www.dotnetconsult.co.uk/weblog
http://www.dotnetconsult.co.uk
No firewall hassle?
--
Miha Markic [MVP C#] - RightHand .NET consulting & development
SLODUG - Slovene Developer Users Group
www.rthand.com
"Guest" <Guest@aew_nospam.com> wrote in message
news:OK**************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
Hi,
I unerstand that if you choose IIS to host your .Net Remoting components
with HTTP channel and SOAP formatter, you get the built-in security and
configuraion features of IIS. Also we can expose it to use for the web
services clients. But using HTTP with SOAP has got the least performance
amoung all others (ex TCP with Binary etc).
The question is what are the advantages of using http with SOAP over http
with Binary formatter?
What are the other benifits of using IIS with http and SOAP?
Pankaj
User submitted from AEWNET (http://www.aewnet.com/)
--
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.9 - Release Date: 06/01/2005
[microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.csharp]
OK Nick, I've held off for a few days to check various fact before I replied to this message - mostly because its unusual that I find myslf heavily disagreeing with someone from Microsoft.
The SOAP adapter generates RPC/Encoded SOAP which has been deprecated from the SOAP spec - therefore I doubt the utility of using it to expose an interface to the world outside of .NET today. It also uses extensions to allow the encoding of obj refs into the message to allow callbacks. This is completely against the spirit of SOA and means the SOAP formatter could leak non-service implementation into the Service Orientated world. Finally the team responsible for the SOAP formatter is proposing to obsolete it for .NET 2.0 [1] which makes it an unusual choice for ongoing development.
Creating a web service facade using either .asmx or WSE would, to me, be the way to bring a remoting app into the SOA world (or writing a custom BizTalk adapter). The SOAP formatter was an idea at a time to allow remoting apps to integrate into the web service world - unfortunately that world moved on and the SOAP formatter is now an oddity with no real role (other than its human readable serialization format) IMO.
[1] http://weblogs.asp.net/mattavis/arch...23/219200.aspx
Regards
Richard Blewettt - DevelopMentor http://www.dotmetconsult.co.uk/weblog http://www.dotmetconsult.co.uk
Hello Richard, Personally I think they shoiuld delete it from the framework - I have
never, in production, used the SOAP formatter its slower and adds no benefit
The SOAP formatter, while less speedy than the binary formatter, is
necessary for SOA implementations. It is, in fact, essential.
One of the problems with HTTP/Binary formats is that we have optimized for
speed to the detriment of maintainability.
However, in the wild majority of apps that expose an EXTERNAL interface,
speed is not a driving factor, while maintenance costs will far far outweigh
the benefit of speed *on that interface* over its lifetime.
One of the advantages of SOA-based applications is that you can create a
discoverable external interface as part of a previously internal one simply
by adding a proxy. In other words, if you have a web layer in a farm that
is accessing a business layer over HTTP/Binary, then a well-executed
architecture would also provide a SOAP proxy to call the Binary objects,
thus allowing ANY application that needs the services of the business layer
to call it, without it being created at the same time by the same team.
The elements of discoverability and the ability to see and debug information
flowing over the network, is important in that case, even though the
interface was not originally developed for those needs. Clearly the proxy
can be developed on an as-needed basis. However, the cost of developing a
small integration object of this kind is low compared to the cost of
developing integration code that has to cross binary boundaries, especially
if the calling environment is not .Net or Windows.
HTH,
--
--- Nick Malik [Microsoft]
MCSD, CFPS, Certified Scrummaster
http://blogs.msdn.com/nickmalik
Disclaimer: Opinions expressed in this forum are my own, and not
representative of my employer.
I do not answer questions on behalf of my employer. I'm just a
programmer helping programmers.
--
"Richard Blewett [DevelopMentor]" <ri******@NOSPAMdevelop.com> wrote in
message news:eW**************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... The only thing the SOAP formatter is useful for is to be able to look at
the message structure on the wire when debugging.
Personally I think they shoiuld delete it from the framework - I have
never, in production, used the SOAP formatter its slower and adds no benefit
HTTP/Binary is just as firewall friendly as HTTP/SOAP unless the firewall
is using content based filtering (which very few do in my experience).
Regards
Richard Blewett - DevelopMentor
http://www.dotnetconsult.co.uk/weblog
http://www.dotnetconsult.co.uk
No firewall hassle?
--
Miha Markic [MVP C#] - RightHand .NET consulting & development
SLODUG - Slovene Developer Users Group
www.rthand.com
"Guest" <Guest@aew_nospam.com> wrote in message
news:OK**************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
Hi,
I unerstand that if you choose IIS to host your .Net Remoting components
with HTTP channel and SOAP formatter, you get the built-in security and
configuraion features of IIS. Also we can expose it to use for the web
services clients. But using HTTP with SOAP has got the least performance
amoung all others (ex TCP with Binary etc).
The question is what are the advantages of using http with SOAP over http
with Binary formatter?
What are the other benifits of using IIS with http and SOAP?
Pankaj
User submitted from AEWNET (http://www.aewnet.com/)
--
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.9 - Release Date: 06/01/2005
[microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.csharp]
--
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.9 - Release Date: 06/01/2005
[microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.csharp]
I find myself at a loss, Richard. I haven't disagreed with you on anything
in the past. I will research your message and think about it before
responding.
--
--- Nick Malik [Microsoft]
MCSD, CFPS, Certified Scrummaster http://blogs.msdn.com/nickmalik
Disclaimer: Opinions expressed in this forum are my own, and not
representative of my employer.
I do not answer questions on behalf of my employer. I'm just a
programmer helping programmers.
--
"Richard Blewett [DevelopMentor]" <ri******@NOSPAMdevelop.com> wrote in
message news:On**************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... OK Nick, I've held off for a few days to check various fact before I
replied to this message - mostly because its unusual that I find myslf
heavily disagreeing with someone from Microsoft.
The SOAP adapter generates RPC/Encoded SOAP which has been deprecated
from the SOAP spec - therefore I doubt the utility of using it to expose an
interface to the world outside of .NET today. It also uses extensions to
allow the encoding of obj refs into the message to allow callbacks. This is
completely against the spirit of SOA and means the SOAP formatter could leak
non-service implementation into the Service Orientated world. Finally the
team responsible for the SOAP formatter is proposing to obsolete it for .NET
2.0 [1] which makes it an unusual choice for ongoing development.
Creating a web service facade using either .asmx or WSE would, to me, be
the way to bring a remoting app into the SOA world (or writing a custom
BizTalk adapter). The SOAP formatter was an idea at a time to allow remoting
apps to integrate into the web service world - unfortunately that world
moved on and the SOAP formatter is now an oddity with no real role (other
than its human readable serialization format) IMO.
[1] http://weblogs.asp.net/mattavis/arch...23/219200.aspx
Regards
Richard Blewettt - DevelopMentor
http://www.dotmetconsult.co.uk/weblog
http://www.dotmetconsult.co.uk
Hello Richard,
> Personally I think they shoiuld delete it from the framework - I have never, in production, used the SOAP formatter its slower and adds no
benefit
The SOAP formatter, while less speedy than the binary formatter, is
necessary for SOA implementations. It is, in fact, essential.
One of the problems with HTTP/Binary formats is that we have optimized
for speed to the detriment of maintainability.
However, in the wild majority of apps that expose an EXTERNAL interface,
speed is not a driving factor, while maintenance costs will far far
outweigh the benefit of speed *on that interface* over its lifetime.
One of the advantages of SOA-based applications is that you can create a
discoverable external interface as part of a previously internal one
simply by adding a proxy. In other words, if you have a web layer in a farm that
is accessing a business layer over HTTP/Binary, then a well-executed
architecture would also provide a SOAP proxy to call the Binary objects,
thus allowing ANY application that needs the services of the business
layer to call it, without it being created at the same time by the same team.
The elements of discoverability and the ability to see and debug
information flowing over the network, is important in that case, even though the
interface was not originally developed for those needs. Clearly the proxy
can be developed on an as-needed basis. However, the cost of developing a
small integration object of this kind is low compared to the cost of
developing integration code that has to cross binary boundaries,
especially if the calling environment is not .Net or Windows.
HTH,
--
--- Nick Malik [Microsoft]
MCSD, CFPS, Certified Scrummaster
http://blogs.msdn.com/nickmalik
Disclaimer: Opinions expressed in this forum are my own, and not
representative of my employer.
I do not answer questions on behalf of my employer. I'm just a
programmer helping programmers.
--
"Richard Blewett [DevelopMentor]" <ri******@NOSPAMdevelop.com> wrote in
message news:eW**************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... > The only thing the SOAP formatter is useful for is to be able to look
at the message structure on the wire when debugging. >
> Personally I think they shoiuld delete it from the framework - I have never, in production, used the SOAP formatter its slower and adds no
benefit >
> HTTP/Binary is just as firewall friendly as HTTP/SOAP unless the
firewall is using content based filtering (which very few do in my experience). >
> Regards
>
> Richard Blewett - DevelopMentor
> http://www.dotnetconsult.co.uk/weblog
> http://www.dotnetconsult.co.uk
>
> No firewall hassle?
>
> --
> Miha Markic [MVP C#] - RightHand .NET consulting & development
> SLODUG - Slovene Developer Users Group
> www.rthand.com
>
> "Guest" <Guest@aew_nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:OK**************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> Hi,
> I unerstand that if you choose IIS to host your .Net Remoting
components > with HTTP channel and SOAP formatter, you get the built-in security and
> configuraion features of IIS. Also we can expose it to use for the web
> services clients. But using HTTP with SOAP has got the least
performance > amoung all others (ex TCP with Binary etc).
>
> The question is what are the advantages of using http with SOAP over
http > with Binary formatter?
> What are the other benifits of using IIS with http and SOAP?
>
> Pankaj
>
>
> User submitted from AEWNET (http://www.aewnet.com/)
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.9 - Release Date: 06/01/2005
>
>
>
> [microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.csharp]
--
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.9 - Release Date: 06/01/2005
[microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.csharp] This thread has been closed and replies have been disabled. Please start a new discussion. Similar topics | |
by: Paul Fi |
last post by:
I have this sample configuration file for a remoting app:
<service>
<wellknown mode="SingleCall"
type="Microsoft.Samples.Runtime.Remoting.Security.Sample.Server.Foo,...
|
by: 2G |
last post by:
Hi,
It seems I can't get remoting to work when my mbrobject is in a larger
namespace.
I doing ingo's book and when I do the example like it says in the book, all
works fine
<configuration>
...
|
by: Skip |
last post by:
Hi,
I'm new to .NET remoting and there's something I'm having real trouble with.
Basically, I'd like to create a component that can act as a server and as a
client (can send messages and receive...
|
by: Skip |
last post by:
Hi,
I get the following exception thrown when I try to run my code:
"An unhandled exception of type
'System.Runtime.Serialization.SerializationException' occurred in mscorlib.dll
Additional...
|
by: Skip |
last post by:
Hi,
I get the following exception thrown when I try to run my code:
"An unhandled exception of type
'System.Runtime.Serialization.SerializationException' occurred in mscorlib.dll
Additional...
| | |
by: Jigar.Patel |
last post by:
I have simple remoting server exposing following simple method. When I try to
add webreference to this server in another project by serveraddresss?wsdl,
it gives me following error:
Custom tool...
|
by: Jigar.Patel |
last post by:
I have simple remoting server exposing following simple method. When I try to
add webreference to this server in another project,
it gives me following error:
Custom tool error: Unable to import...
|
by: Kevin |
last post by:
I have a vb com+ component and turn it to web service by using check box Use
Soap.
It was works fine, but after I installed .net 2.0, does not work anymore.
I got the following errors:
...
|
by: nightwatch77 |
last post by:
Hello,
I have recently stumbled upon a problem with serialization of nullable
value types in .Net 2.0 and would appreciate any explanation of what's
happening. My application is hosted in IIS...
|
by: marktang |
last post by:
ONU (Optical Network Unit) is one of the key components for providing high-speed Internet services. Its primary function is to act as an endpoint device located at the user's premises. However,...
|
by: Hystou |
last post by:
Most computers default to English, but sometimes we require a different language, especially when relocating. Forgot to request a specific language before your computer shipped? No problem! You can...
| | |
by: Oralloy |
last post by:
Hello folks,
I am unable to find appropriate documentation on the type promotion of bit-fields when using the generalised comparison operator "<=>".
The problem is that using the GNU compilers,...
|
by: jinu1996 |
last post by:
In today's digital age, having a compelling online presence is paramount for businesses aiming to thrive in a competitive landscape. At the heart of this digital strategy lies an intricately woven...
|
by: Hystou |
last post by:
Overview:
Windows 11 and 10 have less user interface control over operating system update behaviour than previous versions of Windows. In Windows 11 and 10, there is no way to turn off the Windows...
|
by: agi2029 |
last post by:
Let's talk about the concept of autonomous AI software engineers and no-code agents. These AIs are designed to manage the entire lifecycle of a software development project—planning, coding, testing,...
|
by: adsilva |
last post by:
A Windows Forms form does not have the event Unload, like VB6. What one acts like?
|
by: muto222 |
last post by:
How can i add a mobile payment intergratation into php mysql website.
| | |
by: bsmnconsultancy |
last post by:
In today's digital era, a well-designed website is crucial for businesses looking to succeed. Whether you're a small business owner or a large corporation in Toronto, having a strong online presence...
| |
