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Wow thats nice. I have no idea why you have mixed feelings about it.
One of the most painful times to not have edit and continue is when you are
working on a large procedure to migrate a database. I really sucks when you
have to wait two hours until you reach the breakpoint again. LOL
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Alex Korchemniy
"Richard Blewett [DevelopMentor]" wrote: I've just seen on Eric Gunnerson's blog that C# is getting Edit and Continue in Whidbey. That will please alot of people - although me, I have mixed feelings about it ;-)
http://blogs.msdn.com/ericgu/archive...15/242931.aspx
Regards
Richard Blewett - DevelopMentor
http://staff.develop.com/richardb/weblog
OK, let me be clear that I *do* mean *mixed* feelings. E&C is a useful tool in some scenarios and can really help resolve things like getting the logic the wrong way round in an if, etc then you are debugging a problem. But I have been burned in the past in two ways by it.
1) Writing a bunch of fixes via edit and continue and then the debug session getting trashed so having to close VB and losing all my changes (I know its my fault but E&C has a siren call theat leads you down that path.
2) It is a dangerous tool in the hands of inexperenced developers in that they will keep hacking around in a function in the debugger until it gets the result they want. Whether the function as a result actually fits all test criteria or whether the code is structured in a maintainable form becomes a secondary (or not even considered) issue.
Its nice to get E&C but to be frankly I didn't miss it all that much - you only really miss it if it is one of the main features of how you write code, and from a C++ background primarily it never was for me (I know C++ had E&C from version 6 but frankly I think it sucked rocks compared to VB's version.). Test Driven Development to me is a much more powerful thing to have at your disposal - and maybe combined with E&C gives quite a good sweet spot in that if while making changes in a function you break something you'll know pretty quick.
Regards
Richard Blewett - DevelopMentor http://staff.develop.com/richardb/weblog
Wow thats nice. I have no idea why you have mixed feelings about it.
One of the most painful times to not have edit and continue is when you are
working on a large procedure to migrate a database. I really sucks when you
have to wait two hours until you reach the breakpoint again. LOL
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Alex Korchemniy
"Richard Blewett [DevelopMentor]" <ri******@devel op.com> wrote in message
news:uD******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP11.phx.gbl... 1) Writing a bunch of fixes via edit and continue and then the debug
session getting trashed so having to close VB and losing all my changes (I
know its my fault but E&C has a siren call theat leads you down that path.
Well, I don't know which model C# will follow, but in VC++, E&C still
requires saving changes to disk before compiling & continuing execution.
2) It is a dangerous tool in the hands of inexperenced developers in that
they will keep hacking around in a function in the debugger until it gets
the result they want.
I don't see this as being a problem with E&C. Bad programmers will
write bad code. E&C helps (good & bad) programmers write code faster.
Therefore, E&C will help bad programmers to write bad code faster. But it
also helps good programmers write good code faster.
--
Truth,
James Curran
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Blog: www.honestillusion.com Day Job: www.partsearch.com
(note new day job!)
The point I was making in 2 wasn't about *bad* programmers it was about *inexperienced* programmers. I don't think E&C teaches people good programming practice, although it is a very useful tool in the right hands.
Regards
Richard Blewett - DevelopMentor http://staff.develop.com/richardb/weblog 2) It is a dangerous tool in the hands of inexperenced developers in that
they will keep hacking around in a function in the debugger until it gets
the result they want.
I don't see this as being a problem with E&C. Bad programmers will
write bad code. E&C helps (good & bad) programmers write code faster.
Therefore, E&C will help bad programmers to write bad code faster. But it
also helps good programmers write good code faster.
Nearly any feature can be abused, or misused.
"Richard Blewett [DevelopMentor]" wrote: The point I was making in 2 wasn't about *bad* programmers it was about *inexperienced* programmers. I don't think E&C teaches people good programming practice, although it is a very useful tool in the right hands.
Regards
Richard Blewett - DevelopMentor
http://staff.develop.com/richardb/weblog
> 2) It is a dangerous tool in the hands of inexperenced developers in that
they will keep hacking around in a function in the debugger until it gets
the result they want.
I don't see this as being a problem with E&C. Bad programmers will
write bad code. E&C helps (good & bad) programmers write code faster.
Therefore, E&C will help bad programmers to write bad code faster. But it
also helps good programmers write good code faster.
"Richard Blewett [DevelopMentor]" <ri******@devel op.com> wrote in message
news:%2******** ********@tk2msf tngp13.phx.gbl. .. I've just seen on Eric Gunnerson's blog that C# is getting Edit and
Continue in Whidbey. That will please alot of people - although me, I have
mixed feelings about it ;-)
Ya, annoying, ain't it? :)
I would be more curious in how they "figured out a way to do it". Did they
figure a cheap way to do it? If so, how in general?
--
William Stacey, MVP
"Richard Blewett [DevelopMentor]" <ri******@devel op.com> wrote in message
news:#9******** ******@tk2msftn gp13.phx.gbl... I've just seen on Eric Gunnerson's blog that C# is getting Edit and
Continue in Whidbey. That will please alot of people - although me, I have
mixed feelings about it ;-)
http://blogs.msdn.com/ericgu/archive...15/242931.aspx
Regards
Richard Blewett - DevelopMentor
http://staff.develop.com/richardb/weblog
For the projects I work on it will be a godsend. It may take up to 10
minutes to compile, launch, and get back to where I was in the debugger when
I realized I needed to write ( someBool == true ) instead of ( someBool ==
false).
Like all tools, it can be abused - I don't find that to be a compelling
enough reason to not have the feature.
"Richard Blewett [DevelopMentor]" <ri******@devel op.com> wrote in message
news:uD******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP11.phx.gbl... OK, let me be clear that I *do* mean *mixed* feelings. E&C is a useful
tool in some scenarios and can really help resolve things like getting the
logic the wrong way round in an if, etc then you are debugging a problem.
But I have been burned in the past in two ways by it.
1) Writing a bunch of fixes via edit and continue and then the debug
session getting trashed so having to close VB and losing all my changes (I
know its my fault but E&C has a siren call theat leads you down that path.
2) It is a dangerous tool in the hands of inexperenced developers in that
they will keep hacking around in a function in the debugger until it gets
the result they want. Whether the function as a result actually fits all
test criteria or whether the code is structured in a maintainable form
becomes a secondary (or not even considered) issue.
Its nice to get E&C but to be frankly I didn't miss it all that much - you
only really miss it if it is one of the main features of how you write
code, and from a C++ background primarily it never was for me (I know C++
had E&C from version 6 but frankly I think it sucked rocks compared to
VB's version.). Test Driven Development to me is a much more powerful
thing to have at your disposal - and maybe combined with E&C gives quite a
good sweet spot in that if while making changes in a function you break
something you'll know pretty quick.
Regards
Richard Blewett - DevelopMentor
http://staff.develop.com/richardb/weblog
Wow thats nice. I have no idea why you have mixed feelings about it.
One of the most painful times to not have edit and continue is when you
are
working on a large procedure to migrate a database. I really sucks when
you
have to wait two hours until you reach the breakpoint again. LOL
---
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