Whidbey: Hopefully to implement alternativ code layouts in C#

[Axel Dahmen]

I've just read about the new Whidbey, which I think gives great features to
the programmer.

The HTML editor comes with a bunch of great formatting options. It'd be
great if C# would get some of these options, too. I, for example, prefer to
write code using indented braces, like:

byte x()
{byte i=1;

if (y(i))
{i+=1;
z(i);}

return i<<1;}

and would quite appreciate if C# supported this kind of formatting when
automatically reformatting my code.

[Jon Skeet [C# MVP]]

Axel Dahmen <NO*****@NoOneK nows.de> wrote:

I've just read about the new Whidbey, which I think gives great features to
the programmer.

The HTML editor comes with a bunch of great formatting options. It'd be
great if C# would get some of these options, too. I, for example, prefer to
write code using indented braces, like:

byte x()
{byte i=1;

if (y(i))
{i+=1;
z(i);}

return i<<1;}

and would quite appreciate if C# supported this kind of formatting when
automatically reformatting my code.

I very much doubt that that'll be an option, simply because it's not a
commonly used formatting style - I don't recall ever seeing anyone use
it for any of Java, C, C++ or C#. I'm sure there are other programmers
out there who use it, but probably not enough to make it worth MS
spending the time implementing a formatting style for their/your
benefit.

--
Jon Skeet - <sk***@pobox.co m>
http://www.pobox.com/~skeet
If replying to the group, please do not mail me too

[The Posting One]

"Axel Dahmen" <NO*****@NoOneK nows.de> wrote in message
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I've just read about the new Whidbey, which I think gives great features to the programmer.

The HTML editor comes with a bunch of great formatting options. It'd be
great if C# would get some of these options, too. I, for example, prefer to write code using indented braces, like:

byte x()
{byte i=1;

if (y(i))
{i+=1;
z(i);}

return i<<1;}

and would quite appreciate if C# supported this kind of formatting when
automatically reformatting my code.

That has got to be the worst coding style I have ever seen. Let's be
frank... if you were to present this as your sample code at a job interview
with me, I would immediately show you the quickest way to the back door...

byte x()
{
byte i = 0;

if (y(i))
{
i += 1;
z(i);
}

return i << 1;
}

That is the correct style, and promotes the concept of easy identifiable
code blocks by aligning the opening and closing braces... though I would
grudgingly accept the following (with a signed letter of intent to change to
the above format for continued gainful employment):

byte x() {
byte i = 0;

if (y(i)) {
i += 1;
z(i);
}

return i << 1;
}

Why people insist on saving one line of code in favor of far more difficult
code readability and maintenance? I have no idea.

[Christoph Nahr]

On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:58:00 -0500, "The Posting One"
<fe*****@blah.c om> wrote:

Why people insist on saving one line of code in favor of far more difficult
code readability and maintenance? I have no idea.

Because they think this format makes the code MORE readable rather
than less, perchance? Saving "one line of code" per construct shows a
lot more code when you have ten constructs on a page, and the editor
only shows 25 lines or so at once. Less vertical whitespace also
means fewer visual disruptions, especially when the leading and
following statements are closely related (as they often are).

Of course this format is harder to read in the way YOU wrote it,
because you used too little indendation -- the standard is four
spaces, not two. Note that monitors are wider than they're high...
--
http://www.kynosarges.de

[Sunil TG]

FYI:

This is a new feature, which microsoft plans to ship with
Whidbey.
You can have your own defined formatting style on your C#
code.
So it would be possible for Axel to format the code in his
own (ugly) way.

Sunil TG

-----Original Message-----
Axel Dahmen <NO*****@NoOneK nows.de> wrote:

I've just read about the new Whidbey, which I think gives great features to the programmer.

The HTML editor comes with a bunch of great formatting options. It'd be great if C# would get some of these options, too. I, for example, prefer to write code using indented braces, like:

byte x()
{byte i=1;

if (y(i))
{i+=1;
z(i);}

return i<<1;}

and would quite appreciate if C# supported this kind of formatting when automatically reformatting my code.
I very much doubt that that'll be an option, simply

because it's not acommonly used formatting style - I don't recall ever seeing anyone useit for any of Java, C, C++ or C#. I'm sure there are other programmersout there who use it, but probably not enough to make it worth MSspending the time implementing a formatting style for their/yourbenefit.

--
Jon Skeet - <sk***@pobox.co m>
http://www.pobox.com/~skeet
If replying to the group, please do not mail me too
.

[Jon Skeet [C# MVP]]

Sunil TG <su*****@achaya ns.com> wrote:

This is a new feature, which microsoft plans to ship with
Whidbey.
You can have your own defined formatting style on your C#
code.
So it would be possible for Axel to format the code in his
own (ugly) way.

While I'm sure you can define your own formatting style to *some*
extent, I doubt that you'll have free reign to do *everything*. For
instance, Jalopy allows various different styles of Java formatting,
but I don't think it would provide a way of formatting to Alex's style
(without changing the code, anyway).

--
Jon Skeet - <sk***@pobox.co m>
http://www.pobox.com/~skeet
If replying to the group, please do not mail me too

[Axel Dahmen]

I perfectly agree with you, Christoph.

Got no more points to add here. Well, except for one sidekick regarding the
other style: I think it's mainly used by examples and therefore by beginners
until they evolve the other style for the reasons mentioned by you. Got the
same discussion running back at my job.

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On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:58:00 -0500, "The Posting One"
<fe*****@blah.c om> wrote:

Why people insist on saving one line of code in favor of far more difficultcode readability and maintenance? I have no idea.

Because they think this format makes the code MORE readable rather
than less, perchance? Saving "one line of code" per construct shows a
lot more code when you have ten constructs on a page, and the editor
only shows 25 lines or so at once. Less vertical whitespace also
means fewer visual disruptions, especially when the leading and
following statements are closely related (as they often are).

Of course this format is harder to read in the way YOU wrote it,
because you used too little indendation -- the standard is four
spaces, not two. Note that monitors are wider than they're high...
--
http://www.kynosarges.de

[William Ryan]

I think that's rather short sided. The logic of the code is what dictates
it's value more than anything else. Let's say that Windows was written with
that formatting, there'd be a bunch of talented programmers unemployed if
you were Bill Gates and the OS would work exactly the same.

I think you're are being a little unnecessarily hard on the guy because if
he wants to format it a certain way so be it. There's no coding format
rules that I have come across although there are guidelines. And provided
he comments his code (something wayyyy to few programmers do) adequately, it
Will be readable.
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"Axel Dahmen" <NO*****@NoOneK nows.de> wrote in message
news:uQ******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP12.phx.gbl...

I've just read about the new Whidbey, which I think gives great features to

the programmer.

The HTML editor comes with a bunch of great formatting options. It'd be
great if C# would get some of these options, too. I, for example, prefer

to

write code using indented braces, like:

byte x()
{byte i=1;

if (y(i))
{i+=1;
z(i);}

return i<<1;}

and would quite appreciate if C# supported this kind of formatting when
automatically reformatting my code.

That has got to be the worst coding style I have ever seen. Let's be
frank... if you were to present this as your sample code at a job

interview with me, I would immediately show you the quickest way to the back door...

byte x()
{
byte i = 0;

if (y(i))
{
i += 1;
z(i);
}

return i << 1;
}

That is the correct style, and promotes the concept of easy identifiable
code blocks by aligning the opening and closing braces... though I would
grudgingly accept the following (with a signed letter of intent to change to the above format for continued gainful employment):

byte x() {
byte i = 0;

if (y(i)) {
i += 1;
z(i);
}

return i << 1;
}

Why people insist on saving one line of code in favor of far more difficult code readability and maintenance? I have no idea.

[Alan Pretre]

"The Posting One" <fe*****@blah.c om> wrote in message
news:Or******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP12.phx.gbl...

Why people insist on saving one line of code in favor of far more difficult code readability and maintenance? I have no idea.

Because my programming career started with learning from the first edition
of K&R C, which was the bible at the time. Been doing it that way ever
since (1985).

-- Alan

[Colin Young]

> The HTML editor comes with a bunch of great formatting options. It'd be

great if C# would get some of these options, too. I, for example, prefer to write code using indented braces, like:

You must be the only person that thinks the HTML editor provides "great
formatting options." :) VS.Net is quite possibly the only program I've ever
seen that will take perfectly correct and valid HTML and convert it into a
complete mess of random line breaks in addition to spewing out a mish-mash
of upper- and lower-case attributes that don't conform to any accepted
standards.

If the way it handles HTML is anything to go by, I'd appreciate VS.Net
keeping its grubby little paws off my C# code. I like my code to compile
thank you very much.

Colin