Argh yourself. You are CLOSE to right. Debugging is something you do to
identify the problem SO YOU CAN FIX IT. I will obviously not be fixing IIS
even if I do figure it out. Yes, I obviously need to figure out a work
around, but my preferred solution woulld have been, "Oh, MS has identified
that bug and here is the fix". I am not looking forward to debugging a
platform I cannot see into and deals with multi-threading.
I did appreciate your help in telling me how to turn Casini off.
Chip
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:uJ*************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... re: Debugging would seem to be a little useless since, as I said, it runs
perfectly under Casini. The
problem is not with my code, but with the difference between IIS and
Casini.
Aargh!
The purpose, when you debug, is to identify problems.
If you debug the application under IIS,
you will identify what's causing the problems you say you have.
Isn't that what you want to do ? [ identify the problem(s)... ]
re: I can't be the first and only person to notice a difference between the
two environments.
No, but you may very well be the first one to refuse to debug an
application
which apparently is having problems running uder IIS.
You can't pin down execution problems via osmosis.
Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
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"Chip" <ch**@intradata.com> wrote in message
news:Oo**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... Debugging would seem to be a little useless since, as I said, it runs
perfectly under Casini. The
problem is not with my code, but with the difference between IIS and
Casini. It appears there is a
bug in IIS. I can't be the first and only person to notice a difference
between the two
environments.
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:eW**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... Have you tried debugging the app under IIS ?
Post some of the code that's failing in IIS.
That's the only way we could possibly help you.
Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
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"Chip" <ch**@intradata.com> wrote in message
news:us**************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
I have a dual-threaded app that runs just as it's supposed to under
Casini. However, when I run
the exact same code undier IIS (ASP.NET 2.0) on the same machine, it is
totally unpredictable and
crashes the server. One would think my threading was the problem, but
like I said, runs perfectly
under Casini.
Any ideas?
11  1477 
On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 08:33:57 -0800, Chip wrote: Argh yourself. You are CLOSE to right. Debugging is something you do to
identify the problem SO YOU CAN FIX IT. I will obviously not be fixing IIS
even if I do figure it out. Yes, I obviously need to figure out a work
around, but my preferred solution woulld have been, "Oh, MS has identified
that bug and here is the fix". I am not looking forward to debugging a
platform I cannot see into and deals with multi-threading.
He wasn't asking you to debug IIS. He was asking you to debug your
application while it is running under IIS.
Your assumptions are likely wrong.
re: You are CLOSE to right. Debugging is something you do to identify the problem SO YOU CAN FIX IT. I
will obviously not be fixing IIS even if I do figure it out.
I guess you won't fix your problem, then.
The idea, when debugging, even if you can't fix the problem by yourself,
is reporting what the debugger says the problem is.
Someone might have the necessary experience to know what to do.
But if you won't even debug your own application,
there's nothing anybody can do to help you further.
This may not be about "fixing IIS". Something else might be the problem.
Debugging your application might tell what the problem is.
In any case, at this point, you would be the one benefitting from the collective
knowledge that frequenters to this newsgroup have, but if you won't help
yourself, nobody can do it for you.
re: I did appreciate your help in telling me how to turn Casini off.
You're quite welcome.
Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
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"Chip" <ch**@intradata.com> wrote in message news:O8**************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... Argh yourself. You are CLOSE to right. Debugging is something you do to identify the problem SO
YOU CAN FIX IT. I will obviously not be fixing IIS even if I do figure it out. Yes, I obviously
need to figure out a work around, but my preferred solution woulld have been, "Oh, MS has
identified that bug and here is the fix". I am not looking forward to debugging a platform I
cannot see into and deals with multi-threading.
I did appreciate your help in telling me how to turn Casini off.
Chip
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:uJ*************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... re: Debugging would seem to be a little useless since, as I said, it runs perfectly under Casini.
The
problem is not with my code, but with the difference between IIS and Casini.
Aargh!
The purpose, when you debug, is to identify problems.
If you debug the application under IIS,
you will identify what's causing the problems you say you have.
Isn't that what you want to do ? [ identify the problem(s)... ]
re: I can't be the first and only person to notice a difference between the two environments.
No, but you may very well be the first one to refuse to debug an application
which apparently is having problems running uder IIS.
You can't pin down execution problems via osmosis.
Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
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"Chip" <ch**@intradata.com> wrote in message news:Oo**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... Debugging would seem to be a little useless since, as I said, it runs perfectly under Casini.
The
problem is not with my code, but with the difference between IIS and Casini. It appears there is
a
bug in IIS. I can't be the first and only person to notice a difference between the two
environments.
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:eW**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
Have you tried debugging the app under IIS ?
Post some of the code that's failing in IIS.
That's the only way we could possibly help you.
Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
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"Chip" <ch**@intradata.com> wrote in message news:us**************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>I have a dual-threaded app that runs just as it's supposed to under Casini. However, when I run
>the exact same code undier IIS (ASP.NET 2.0) on the same machine, it is totally unpredictable
>and
>crashes the server. One would think my threading was the problem, but like I said, runs
>perfectly
>under Casini.
>
> Any ideas?
You really need to get down from that ivory tower. Do you think I'm just
sitting here waiting for the app to fix itself? I am taking the most
reasonable, logical, and efficient way to fixing this. I first identified
that the problem is with IIS and not my code. So I posted the issue to see
if there was any buzz on it or a work around that I need to know about AND
to alert others and MS about the problem.
Before I spend hours of my time to isolate which part of ISS is breaking,
just so I can give that info to MS and save them some time (and not even
necessarily figure out if there IS a work around), I would like to know if
there is a likely cause so I can concentrate my efforts in the right area.
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... re: You are CLOSE to right. Debugging is something you do to identify the
problem SO YOU CAN FIX IT. I will obviously not be fixing IIS even if I
do figure it out.
I guess you won't fix your problem, then.
The idea, when debugging, even if you can't fix the problem by yourself,
is reporting what the debugger says the problem is.
Someone might have the necessary experience to know what to do.
But if you won't even debug your own application,
there's nothing anybody can do to help you further.
This may not be about "fixing IIS". Something else might be the problem.
Debugging your application might tell what the problem is.
In any case, at this point, you would be the one benefitting from the
collective
knowledge that frequenters to this newsgroup have, but if you won't help
yourself, nobody can do it for you.
re: I did appreciate your help in telling me how to turn Casini off.
You're quite welcome.
Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
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asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
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===================================
"Chip" <ch**@intradata.com> wrote in message
news:O8**************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... Argh yourself. You are CLOSE to right. Debugging is something you do to
identify the problem SO YOU CAN FIX IT. I will obviously not be fixing
IIS even if I do figure it out. Yes, I obviously need to figure out a
work around, but my preferred solution woulld have been, "Oh, MS has
identified that bug and here is the fix". I am not looking forward to
debugging a platform I cannot see into and deals with multi-threading.
I did appreciate your help in telling me how to turn Casini off.
Chip
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:uJ*************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... re:
Debugging would seem to be a little useless since, as I said, it runs
perfectly under Casini. The
problem is not with my code, but with the difference between IIS and
Casini.
Aargh!
The purpose, when you debug, is to identify problems.
If you debug the application under IIS,
you will identify what's causing the problems you say you have.
Isn't that what you want to do ? [ identify the problem(s)... ]
re:
I can't be the first and only person to notice a difference between the
two environments.
No, but you may very well be the first one to refuse to debug an
application
which apparently is having problems running uder IIS.
You can't pin down execution problems via osmosis.
Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
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"Chip" <ch**@intradata.com> wrote in message
news:Oo**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
Debugging would seem to be a little useless since, as I said, it runs
perfectly under Casini. The
problem is not with my code, but with the difference between IIS and
Casini. It appears there is a
bug in IIS. I can't be the first and only person to notice a difference
between the two
environments.
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:eW**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Have you tried debugging the app under IIS ?
>
> Post some of the code that's failing in IIS.
> That's the only way we could possibly help you.
>
>
>
>
>
> Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
> aspnetfaq.com : http://www.aspnetfaq.com/
> asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
> foros de asp.net, en espaņol : http://asp.net.do/foros/
> ===================================
> "Chip" <ch**@intradata.com> wrote in message
> news:us**************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>I have a dual-threaded app that runs just as it's supposed to under
>>Casini. However, when I run
>>the exact same code undier IIS (ASP.NET 2.0) on the same machine, it
>>is totally unpredictable and
>>crashes the server. One would think my threading was the problem, but
>>like I said, runs perfectly
>>under Casini.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>
>
re: You really need to get down from that ivory tower.
That's the end of this conversation.
I'm sorry I took up your time.
Good luck in your future endeavors.
Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
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"Chip" <ch**@intradata.com> wrote in message news:u4**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... You really need to get down from that ivory tower. Do you think I'm just sitting here waiting for
the app to fix itself? I am taking the most reasonable, logical, and efficient way to fixing this.
I first identified that the problem is with IIS and not my code. So I posted the issue to see if
there was any buzz on it or a work around that I need to know about AND to alert others and MS
about the problem.
Before I spend hours of my time to isolate which part of ISS is breaking, just so I can give that
info to MS and save them some time (and not even necessarily figure out if there IS a work
around), I would like to know if there is a likely cause so I can concentrate my efforts in the
right area.
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... re: You are CLOSE to right. Debugging is something you do to identify the problem SO YOU CAN FIX IT.
I will obviously not be fixing IIS even if I do figure it out.
I guess you won't fix your problem, then.
The idea, when debugging, even if you can't fix the problem by yourself,
is reporting what the debugger says the problem is.
Someone might have the necessary experience to know what to do.
But if you won't even debug your own application,
there's nothing anybody can do to help you further.
This may not be about "fixing IIS". Something else might be the problem.
Debugging your application might tell what the problem is.
In any case, at this point, you would be the one benefitting from the collective
knowledge that frequenters to this newsgroup have, but if you won't help
yourself, nobody can do it for you.
re: I did appreciate your help in telling me how to turn Casini off.
You're quite welcome.
Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
aspnetfaq.com : http://www.aspnetfaq.com/
asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
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===================================
"Chip" <ch**@intradata.com> wrote in message news:O8**************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... Argh yourself. You are CLOSE to right. Debugging is something you do to identify the problem SO
YOU CAN FIX IT. I will obviously not be fixing IIS even if I do figure it out. Yes, I obviously
need to figure out a work around, but my preferred solution woulld have been, "Oh, MS has
identified that bug and here is the fix". I am not looking forward to debugging a platform I
cannot see into and deals with multi-threading.
I did appreciate your help in telling me how to turn Casini off.
Chip
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:uJ*************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
re:
> Debugging would seem to be a little useless since, as I said, it runs perfectly under Casini.
> The
> problem is not with my code, but with the difference between IIS and Casini.
Aargh!
The purpose, when you debug, is to identify problems.
If you debug the application under IIS,
you will identify what's causing the problems you say you have.
Isn't that what you want to do ? [ identify the problem(s)... ]
re:
> I can't be the first and only person to notice a difference between the two environments.
No, but you may very well be the first one to refuse to debug an application
which apparently is having problems running uder IIS.
You can't pin down execution problems via osmosis.
Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
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"Chip" <ch**@intradata.com> wrote in message news:Oo**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Debugging would seem to be a little useless since, as I said, it runs perfectly under Casini.
> The
> problem is not with my code, but with the difference between IIS and Casini. It appears there
> is a
> bug in IIS. I can't be the first and only person to notice a difference between the two
> environments.
>
> "Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:eW**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> Have you tried debugging the app under IIS ?
>>
>> Post some of the code that's failing in IIS.
>> That's the only way we could possibly help you.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
>> aspnetfaq.com : http://www.aspnetfaq.com/
>> asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
>> foros de asp.net, en espaņol : http://asp.net.do/foros/
>> ===================================
>> "Chip" <ch**@intradata.com> wrote in message news:us**************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>>I have a dual-threaded app that runs just as it's supposed to under Casini. However, when I
>>>run
>>>the exact same code undier IIS (ASP.NET 2.0) on the same machine, it is totally unpredictable
>>>and
>>>crashes the server. One would think my threading was the problem, but like I said, runs
>>>perfectly
>>>under Casini.
>>>
>>> Any ideas?
>>
>>
>
>
You probably should have not ended the converstation there and actually read
the rest of the post. If an insulting remark were enough to stop
conversation, I wouldn't have read past a few sentences into your third
post. If you want to continue to insult people you assume aren't as
intelligent or determined as you are, please just be straight forward and
don't use the guise of being "helpful".
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... re:You really need to get down from that ivory tower.
That's the end of this conversation.
I'm sorry I took up your time.
Good luck in your future endeavors.
Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
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"Chip" <ch**@intradata.com> wrote in message
news:u4**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... You really need to get down from that ivory tower. Do you think I'm just
sitting here waiting for the app to fix itself? I am taking the most
reasonable, logical, and efficient way to fixing this. I first identified
that the problem is with IIS and not my code. So I posted the issue to
see if there was any buzz on it or a work around that I need to know
about AND to alert others and MS about the problem.
Before I spend hours of my time to isolate which part of ISS is breaking,
just so I can give that info to MS and save them some time (and not even
necessarily figure out if there IS a work around), I would like to know
if there is a likely cause so I can concentrate my efforts in the right
area.
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... re:
You are CLOSE to right. Debugging is something you do to identify the
problem SO YOU CAN FIX IT. I will obviously not be fixing IIS even if I
do figure it out.
I guess you won't fix your problem, then.
The idea, when debugging, even if you can't fix the problem by yourself,
is reporting what the debugger says the problem is.
Someone might have the necessary experience to know what to do.
But if you won't even debug your own application,
there's nothing anybody can do to help you further.
This may not be about "fixing IIS". Something else might be the problem.
Debugging your application might tell what the problem is.
In any case, at this point, you would be the one benefitting from the
collective
knowledge that frequenters to this newsgroup have, but if you won't help
yourself, nobody can do it for you.
re:
I did appreciate your help in telling me how to turn Casini off.
You're quite welcome.
Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
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asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
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===================================
"Chip" <ch**@intradata.com> wrote in message
news:O8**************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
Argh yourself. You are CLOSE to right. Debugging is something you do to
identify the problem SO YOU CAN FIX IT. I will obviously not be fixing
IIS even if I do figure it out. Yes, I obviously need to figure out a
work around, but my preferred solution woulld have been, "Oh, MS has
identified that bug and here is the fix". I am not looking forward to
debugging a platform I cannot see into and deals with multi-threading.
I did appreciate your help in telling me how to turn Casini off.
Chip
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:uJ*************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> re:
>> Debugging would seem to be a little useless since, as I said, it runs
>> perfectly under Casini. The
>> problem is not with my code, but with the difference between IIS and
>> Casini.
>
> Aargh!
>
> The purpose, when you debug, is to identify problems.
>
> If you debug the application under IIS,
> you will identify what's causing the problems you say you have.
>
> Isn't that what you want to do ? [ identify the problem(s)... ]
>
> re:
>> I can't be the first and only person to notice a difference between
>> the two environments.
>
> No, but you may very well be the first one to refuse to debug an
> application
> which apparently is having problems running uder IIS.
>
> You can't pin down execution problems via osmosis.
>
>
>
>
> Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
> aspnetfaq.com : http://www.aspnetfaq.com/
> asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
> foros de asp.net, en espaņol : http://asp.net.do/foros/
> ===================================
> "Chip" <ch**@intradata.com> wrote in message
> news:Oo**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> Debugging would seem to be a little useless since, as I said, it runs
>> perfectly under Casini. The
>> problem is not with my code, but with the difference between IIS and
>> Casini. It appears there is a
>> bug in IIS. I can't be the first and only person to notice a
>> difference between the two
>> environments.
>>
>> "Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>> news:eW**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>> Have you tried debugging the app under IIS ?
>>>
>>> Post some of the code that's failing in IIS.
>>> That's the only way we could possibly help you.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
>>> aspnetfaq.com : http://www.aspnetfaq.com/
>>> asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
>>> foros de asp.net, en espaņol : http://asp.net.do/foros/
>>> ===================================
>>> "Chip" <ch**@intradata.com> wrote in message
>>> news:us**************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>>>I have a dual-threaded app that runs just as it's supposed to under
>>>>Casini. However, when I run
>>>>the exact same code undier IIS (ASP.NET 2.0) on the same machine, it
>>>>is totally unpredictable and
>>>>crashes the server. One would think my threading was the problem,
>>>>but like I said, runs perfectly
>>>>under Casini.
>>>>
>>>> Any ideas?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
So, now, besides being in an "ivory tower",
I'm also using the "guise of being helpful",
and I made an "insulting remark" to you ?
If you would quote it, I'd be quick to apologize.
I suspect you are not capable of doing that.
Whatever, Chip. Carry on.
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"Chip" <ch**@intradata.com> wrote in message news:u4**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... You probably should have not ended the converstation there and actually read the rest of the post.
If an insulting remark were enough to stop conversation, I wouldn't have read past a few sentences
into your third post. If you want to continue to insult people you assume aren't as intelligent or
determined as you are, please just be straight forward and don't use the guise of being "helpful".
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... re:You really need to get down from that ivory tower.
That's the end of this conversation.
I'm sorry I took up your time.
Good luck in your future endeavors.
Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
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===================================
"Chip" <ch**@intradata.com> wrote in message news:u4**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... You really need to get down from that ivory tower. Do you think I'm just sitting here waiting
for the app to fix itself? I am taking the most reasonable, logical, and efficient way to fixing
this. I first identified that the problem is with IIS and not my code. So I posted the issue to
see if there was any buzz on it or a work around that I need to know about AND to alert others
and MS about the problem.
Before I spend hours of my time to isolate which part of ISS is breaking, just so I can give
that info to MS and save them some time (and not even necessarily figure out if there IS a work
around), I would like to know if there is a likely cause so I can concentrate my efforts in the
right area.
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
re:
> You are CLOSE to right. Debugging is something you do to identify the problem SO YOU CAN FIX
> IT. I will obviously not be fixing IIS even if I do figure it out.
I guess you won't fix your problem, then.
The idea, when debugging, even if you can't fix the problem by yourself,
is reporting what the debugger says the problem is.
Someone might have the necessary experience to know what to do.
But if you won't even debug your own application,
there's nothing anybody can do to help you further.
This may not be about "fixing IIS". Something else might be the problem.
Debugging your application might tell what the problem is.
In any case, at this point, you would be the one benefitting from the collective
knowledge that frequenters to this newsgroup have, but if you won't help
yourself, nobody can do it for you.
re:
> I did appreciate your help in telling me how to turn Casini off.
You're quite welcome.
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"Chip" <ch**@intradata.com> wrote in message news:O8**************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> Argh yourself. You are CLOSE to right. Debugging is something you do to identify the problem
> SO YOU CAN FIX IT. I will obviously not be fixing IIS even if I do figure it out. Yes, I
> obviously need to figure out a work around, but my preferred solution woulld have been, "Oh,
> MS has identified that bug and here is the fix". I am not looking forward to debugging a
> platform I cannot see into and deals with multi-threading.
>
> I did appreciate your help in telling me how to turn Casini off.
>
> Chip
>
> "Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:uJ*************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> re:
>>> Debugging would seem to be a little useless since, as I said, it runs perfectly under
>>> Casini. The
>>> problem is not with my code, but with the difference between IIS and Casini.
>>
>> Aargh!
>>
>> The purpose, when you debug, is to identify problems.
>>
>> If you debug the application under IIS,
>> you will identify what's causing the problems you say you have.
>>
>> Isn't that what you want to do ? [ identify the problem(s)... ]
>>
>> re:
>>> I can't be the first and only person to notice a difference between the two environments.
>>
>> No, but you may very well be the first one to refuse to debug an application
>> which apparently is having problems running uder IIS.
>>
>> You can't pin down execution problems via osmosis.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
>> aspnetfaq.com : http://www.aspnetfaq.com/
>> asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
>> foros de asp.net, en espaņol : http://asp.net.do/foros/
>> ===================================
>> "Chip" <ch**@intradata.com> wrote in message news:Oo**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>> Debugging would seem to be a little useless since, as I said, it runs perfectly under
>>> Casini. The
>>> problem is not with my code, but with the difference between IIS and Casini. It appears
>>> there is a
>>> bug in IIS. I can't be the first and only person to notice a difference between the two
>>> environments.
>>>
>>> "Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>> news:eW**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>> Have you tried debugging the app under IIS ?
>>>>
>>>> Post some of the code that's failing in IIS.
>>>> That's the only way we could possibly help you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
>>>> aspnetfaq.com : http://www.aspnetfaq.com/
>>>> asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
>>>> foros de asp.net, en espaņol : http://asp.net.do/foros/
>>>> ===================================
>>>> "Chip" <ch**@intradata.com> wrote in message news:us**************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>>>>I have a dual-threaded app that runs just as it's supposed to under Casini. However, when I
>>>>>run
>>>>>the exact same code undier IIS (ASP.NET 2.0) on the same machine, it is totally
>>>>>unpredictable and
>>>>>crashes the server. One would think my threading was the problem, but like I said, runs
>>>>>perfectly
>>>>>under Casini.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any ideas?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Oh no problem. It was when your tone turned condescending and insulting,
like when you told me, a professional coder, that "The purpose, when you
debug, is to identify problems". No shit.
And then you continued with, 'No, but you may very well be the first one to
refuse to debug an application"
I didn't make a big deal out of it, like you did. I can take a bit of
sarcasm, especially from someone who is trying to help me. But if you're
going to dish it out, you better be willing to take some back.
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:O$**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... So, now, besides being in an "ivory tower",
I'm also using the "guise of being helpful",
and I made an "insulting remark" to you ?
If you would quote it, I'd be quick to apologize.
I suspect you are not capable of doing that.
Whatever, Chip. Carry on.
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"Chip" <ch**@intradata.com> wrote in message
news:u4**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... You probably should have not ended the converstation there and actually
read the rest of the post. If an insulting remark were enough to stop
conversation, I wouldn't have read past a few sentences into your third
post. If you want to continue to insult people you assume aren't as
intelligent or determined as you are, please just be straight forward and
don't use the guise of being "helpful".
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... re:
You really need to get down from that ivory tower.
That's the end of this conversation.
I'm sorry I took up your time.
Good luck in your future endeavors.
Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
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===================================
"Chip" <ch**@intradata.com> wrote in message
news:u4**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
You really need to get down from that ivory tower. Do you think I'm
just sitting here waiting for the app to fix itself? I am taking the
most reasonable, logical, and efficient way to fixing this. I first
identified that the problem is with IIS and not my code. So I posted
the issue to see if there was any buzz on it or a work around that I
need to know about AND to alert others and MS about the problem.
Before I spend hours of my time to isolate which part of ISS is
breaking, just so I can give that info to MS and save them some time
(and not even necessarily figure out if there IS a work around), I
would like to know if there is a likely cause so I can concentrate my
efforts in the right area.
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> re:
>> You are CLOSE to right. Debugging is something you do to identify the
>> problem SO YOU CAN FIX IT. I will obviously not be fixing IIS even if
>> I do figure it out.
>
> I guess you won't fix your problem, then.
>
> The idea, when debugging, even if you can't fix the problem by
> yourself,
> is reporting what the debugger says the problem is.
>
> Someone might have the necessary experience to know what to do.
>
> But if you won't even debug your own application,
> there's nothing anybody can do to help you further.
>
> This may not be about "fixing IIS". Something else might be the
> problem.
> Debugging your application might tell what the problem is.
>
> In any case, at this point, you would be the one benefitting from the
> collective
> knowledge that frequenters to this newsgroup have, but if you won't
> help
> yourself, nobody can do it for you.
>
> re:
>> I did appreciate your help in telling me how to turn Casini off.
>
> You're quite welcome.
>
>
>
>
> Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
> aspnetfaq.com : http://www.aspnetfaq.com/
> asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
> foros de asp.net, en espaņol : http://asp.net.do/foros/
> ===================================
> "Chip" <ch**@intradata.com> wrote in message
> news:O8**************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>> Argh yourself. You are CLOSE to right. Debugging is something you do
>> to identify the problem SO YOU CAN FIX IT. I will obviously not be
>> fixing IIS even if I do figure it out. Yes, I obviously need to
>> figure out a work around, but my preferred solution woulld have been,
>> "Oh, MS has identified that bug and here is the fix". I am not
>> looking forward to debugging a platform I cannot see into and deals
>> with multi-threading.
>>
>> I did appreciate your help in telling me how to turn Casini off.
>>
>> Chip
>>
>> "Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>> news:uJ*************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>> re:
>>>> Debugging would seem to be a little useless since, as I said, it
>>>> runs perfectly under Casini. The
>>>> problem is not with my code, but with the difference between IIS
>>>> and Casini.
>>>
>>> Aargh!
>>>
>>> The purpose, when you debug, is to identify problems.
>>>
>>> If you debug the application under IIS,
>>> you will identify what's causing the problems you say you have.
>>>
>>> Isn't that what you want to do ? [ identify the problem(s)... ]
>>>
>>> re:
>>>> I can't be the first and only person to notice a difference between
>>>> the two environments.
>>>
>>> No, but you may very well be the first one to refuse to debug an
>>> application
>>> which apparently is having problems running uder IIS.
>>>
>>> You can't pin down execution problems via osmosis.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
>>> aspnetfaq.com : http://www.aspnetfaq.com/
>>> asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
>>> foros de asp.net, en espaņol : http://asp.net.do/foros/
>>> ===================================
>>> "Chip" <ch**@intradata.com> wrote in message
>>> news:Oo**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>>> Debugging would seem to be a little useless since, as I said, it
>>>> runs perfectly under Casini. The
>>>> problem is not with my code, but with the difference between IIS
>>>> and Casini. It appears there is a
>>>> bug in IIS. I can't be the first and only person to notice a
>>>> difference between the two
>>>> environments.
>>>>
>>>> "Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:eW**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Have you tried debugging the app under IIS ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Post some of the code that's failing in IIS.
>>>>> That's the only way we could possibly help you.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
>>>>> aspnetfaq.com : http://www.aspnetfaq.com/
>>>>> asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
>>>>> foros de asp.net, en espaņol : http://asp.net.do/foros/
>>>>> ===================================
>>>>> "Chip" <ch**@intradata.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:us**************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>I have a dual-threaded app that runs just as it's supposed to
>>>>>>under Casini. However, when I run
>>>>>>the exact same code undier IIS (ASP.NET 2.0) on the same machine,
>>>>>>it is totally unpredictable and
>>>>>>crashes the server. One would think my threading was the problem,
>>>>>>but like I said, runs perfectly
>>>>>>under Casini.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any ideas?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Whatever, Chip.
Now that Pandurang has offered you the same advice I gave you,
and which 3 other developers have given you, too, that's 5 developers
recommending that you should debug your application under IIS.
I don't understand why you refuse to do so.
Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
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===================================
"Chip" <ch**@intradata.com> wrote in message news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... Oh no problem. It was when your tone turned condescending and insulting, like when you told me, a
professional coder, that "The purpose, when you debug, is to identify problems". No shit.
And then you continued with, 'No, but you may very well be the first one to refuse to debug an
application"
I didn't make a big deal out of it, like you did. I can take a bit of sarcasm, especially from
someone who is trying to help me. But if you're going to dish it out, you better be willing to
take some back.
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:O$**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... So, now, besides being in an "ivory tower",
I'm also using the "guise of being helpful",
and I made an "insulting remark" to you ?
If you would quote it, I'd be quick to apologize.
I suspect you are not capable of doing that.
Whatever, Chip. Carry on.
Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
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===================================
"Chip" <ch**@intradata.com> wrote in message news:u4**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... You probably should have not ended the converstation there and actually read the rest of the
post. If an insulting remark were enough to stop conversation, I wouldn't have read past a few
sentences into your third post. If you want to continue to insult people you assume aren't as
intelligent or determined as you are, please just be straight forward and don't use the guise of
being "helpful".
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
re:
>You really need to get down from that ivory tower.
That's the end of this conversation.
I'm sorry I took up your time.
Good luck in your future endeavors.
Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
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===================================
"Chip" <ch**@intradata.com> wrote in message news:u4**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> You really need to get down from that ivory tower. Do you think I'm just sitting here waiting
> for the app to fix itself? I am taking the most reasonable, logical, and efficient way to
> fixing this. I first identified that the problem is with IIS and not my code. So I posted the
> issue to see if there was any buzz on it or a work around that I need to know about AND to
> alert others and MS about the problem.
>
> Before I spend hours of my time to isolate which part of ISS is breaking, just so I can give
> that info to MS and save them some time (and not even necessarily figure out if there IS a
> work around), I would like to know if there is a likely cause so I can concentrate my efforts
> in the right area.
>
>
> "Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> re:
>>> You are CLOSE to right. Debugging is something you do to identify the problem SO YOU CAN FIX
>>> IT. I will obviously not be fixing IIS even if I do figure it out.
>>
>> I guess you won't fix your problem, then.
>>
>> The idea, when debugging, even if you can't fix the problem by yourself,
>> is reporting what the debugger says the problem is.
>>
>> Someone might have the necessary experience to know what to do.
>>
>> But if you won't even debug your own application,
>> there's nothing anybody can do to help you further.
>>
>> This may not be about "fixing IIS". Something else might be the problem.
>> Debugging your application might tell what the problem is.
>>
>> In any case, at this point, you would be the one benefitting from the collective
>> knowledge that frequenters to this newsgroup have, but if you won't help
>> yourself, nobody can do it for you.
>>
>> re:
>>> I did appreciate your help in telling me how to turn Casini off.
>>
>> You're quite welcome.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
>> aspnetfaq.com : http://www.aspnetfaq.com/
>> asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
>> foros de asp.net, en espaņol : http://asp.net.do/foros/
>> ===================================
>> "Chip" <ch**@intradata.com> wrote in message news:O8**************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>>> Argh yourself. You are CLOSE to right. Debugging is something you do to identify the problem
>>> SO YOU CAN FIX IT. I will obviously not be fixing IIS even if I do figure it out. Yes, I
>>> obviously need to figure out a work around, but my preferred solution woulld have been, "Oh,
>>> MS has identified that bug and here is the fix". I am not looking forward to debugging a
>>> platform I cannot see into and deals with multi-threading.
>>>
>>> I did appreciate your help in telling me how to turn Casini off.
>>>
>>> Chip
>>>
>>> "Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>> news:uJ*************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>>> re:
>>>>> Debugging would seem to be a little useless since, as I said, it runs perfectly under
>>>>> Casini. The
>>>>> problem is not with my code, but with the difference between IIS and Casini.
>>>>
>>>> Aargh!
>>>>
>>>> The purpose, when you debug, is to identify problems.
>>>>
>>>> If you debug the application under IIS,
>>>> you will identify what's causing the problems you say you have.
>>>>
>>>> Isn't that what you want to do ? [ identify the problem(s)... ]
>>>>
>>>> re:
>>>>> I can't be the first and only person to notice a difference between the two environments.
>>>>
>>>> No, but you may very well be the first one to refuse to debug an application
>>>> which apparently is having problems running uder IIS.
>>>>
>>>> You can't pin down execution problems via osmosis.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
>>>> aspnetfaq.com : http://www.aspnetfaq.com/
>>>> asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
>>>> foros de asp.net, en espaņol : http://asp.net.do/foros/
>>>> ===================================
>>>> "Chip" <ch**@intradata.com> wrote in message news:Oo**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Debugging would seem to be a little useless since, as I said, it runs perfectly under
>>>>> Casini. The
>>>>> problem is not with my code, but with the difference between IIS and Casini. It appears
>>>>> there is a
>>>>> bug in IIS. I can't be the first and only person to notice a difference between the two
>>>>> environments.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:eW**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Have you tried debugging the app under IIS ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Post some of the code that's failing in IIS.
>>>>>> That's the only way we could possibly help you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
>>>>>> aspnetfaq.com : http://www.aspnetfaq.com/
>>>>>> asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
>>>>>> foros de asp.net, en espaņol : http://asp.net.do/foros/
>>>>>> ===================================
>>>>>> "Chip" <ch**@intradata.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:us**************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>I have a dual-threaded app that runs just as it's supposed to under Casini. However, when
>>>>>>>I run
>>>>>>>the exact same code undier IIS (ASP.NET 2.0) on the same machine, it is totally
>>>>>>>unpredictable and
>>>>>>>crashes the server. One would think my threading was the problem, but like I said, runs
>>>>>>>perfectly
>>>>>>>under Casini.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any ideas?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
The other posters, as well as some emailers, have been very helpful in
explaining why I should not count on Cassini to emulate IIS, which it is
advertised as doing. This thread has been about the difference between them
and if my code works in Cassini but not IIS (on both XP and Win2003) is my
code broken or is IIS broken? Not, as you continue to spew, how I am
refusing to debug my own code. What a moron.
But as you so elloquently put it, whatever, Juan.
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:Ol**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... Whatever, Chip.
Now that Pandurang has offered you the same advice I gave you,
and which 3 other developers have given you, too, that's 5 developers
recommending that you should debug your application under IIS.
I don't understand why you refuse to do so.
Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
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===================================
"Chip" <ch**@intradata.com> wrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... Oh no problem. It was when your tone turned condescending and insulting,
like when you told me, a professional coder, that "The purpose, when you
debug, is to identify problems". No shit.
And then you continued with, 'No, but you may very well be the first one
to refuse to debug an application"
I didn't make a big deal out of it, like you did. I can take a bit of
sarcasm, especially from someone who is trying to help me. But if you're
going to dish it out, you better be willing to take some back.
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:O$**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... So, now, besides being in an "ivory tower",
I'm also using the "guise of being helpful",
and I made an "insulting remark" to you ?
If you would quote it, I'd be quick to apologize.
I suspect you are not capable of doing that.
Whatever, Chip. Carry on.
Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
aspnetfaq.com : http://www.aspnetfaq.com/
asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
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===================================
"Chip" <ch**@intradata.com> wrote in message
news:u4**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
You probably should have not ended the converstation there and actually
read the rest of the post. If an insulting remark were enough to stop
conversation, I wouldn't have read past a few sentences into your third
post. If you want to continue to insult people you assume aren't as
intelligent or determined as you are, please just be straight forward
and don't use the guise of being "helpful".
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> re:
>>You really need to get down from that ivory tower.
>
> That's the end of this conversation.
>
> I'm sorry I took up your time.
> Good luck in your future endeavors.
>
>
>
>
> Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
> aspnetfaq.com : http://www.aspnetfaq.com/
> asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
> foros de asp.net, en espaņol : http://asp.net.do/foros/
> ===================================
> "Chip" <ch**@intradata.com> wrote in message
> news:u4**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> You really need to get down from that ivory tower. Do you think I'm
>> just sitting here waiting for the app to fix itself? I am taking the
>> most reasonable, logical, and efficient way to fixing this. I first
>> identified that the problem is with IIS and not my code. So I posted
>> the issue to see if there was any buzz on it or a work around that I
>> need to know about AND to alert others and MS about the problem.
>>
>> Before I spend hours of my time to isolate which part of ISS is
>> breaking, just so I can give that info to MS and save them some time
>> (and not even necessarily figure out if there IS a work around), I
>> would like to know if there is a likely cause so I can concentrate my
>> efforts in the right area.
>>
>>
>> "Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>> news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>> re:
>>>> You are CLOSE to right. Debugging is something you do to identify
>>>> the problem SO YOU CAN FIX IT. I will obviously not be fixing IIS
>>>> even if I do figure it out.
>>>
>>> I guess you won't fix your problem, then.
>>>
>>> The idea, when debugging, even if you can't fix the problem by
>>> yourself,
>>> is reporting what the debugger says the problem is.
>>>
>>> Someone might have the necessary experience to know what to do.
>>>
>>> But if you won't even debug your own application,
>>> there's nothing anybody can do to help you further.
>>>
>>> This may not be about "fixing IIS". Something else might be the
>>> problem.
>>> Debugging your application might tell what the problem is.
>>>
>>> In any case, at this point, you would be the one benefitting from
>>> the collective
>>> knowledge that frequenters to this newsgroup have, but if you won't
>>> help
>>> yourself, nobody can do it for you.
>>>
>>> re:
>>>> I did appreciate your help in telling me how to turn Casini off.
>>>
>>> You're quite welcome.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
>>> aspnetfaq.com : http://www.aspnetfaq.com/
>>> asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
>>> foros de asp.net, en espaņol : http://asp.net.do/foros/
>>> ===================================
>>> "Chip" <ch**@intradata.com> wrote in message
>>> news:O8**************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>>>> Argh yourself. You are CLOSE to right. Debugging is something you
>>>> do to identify the problem SO YOU CAN FIX IT. I will obviously not
>>>> be fixing IIS even if I do figure it out. Yes, I obviously need to
>>>> figure out a work around, but my preferred solution woulld have
>>>> been, "Oh, MS has identified that bug and here is the fix". I am
>>>> not looking forward to debugging a platform I cannot see into and
>>>> deals with multi-threading.
>>>>
>>>> I did appreciate your help in telling me how to turn Casini off.
>>>>
>>>> Chip
>>>>
>>>> "Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:uJ*************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>>>> re:
>>>>>> Debugging would seem to be a little useless since, as I said, it
>>>>>> runs perfectly under Casini. The
>>>>>> problem is not with my code, but with the difference between IIS
>>>>>> and Casini.
>>>>>
>>>>> Aargh!
>>>>>
>>>>> The purpose, when you debug, is to identify problems.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you debug the application under IIS,
>>>>> you will identify what's causing the problems you say you have.
>>>>>
>>>>> Isn't that what you want to do ? [ identify the problem(s)... ]
>>>>>
>>>>> re:
>>>>>> I can't be the first and only person to notice a difference
>>>>>> between the two environments.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, but you may very well be the first one to refuse to debug an
>>>>> application
>>>>> which apparently is having problems running uder IIS.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can't pin down execution problems via osmosis.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
>>>>> aspnetfaq.com : http://www.aspnetfaq.com/
>>>>> asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
>>>>> foros de asp.net, en espaņol : http://asp.net.do/foros/
>>>>> ===================================
>>>>> "Chip" <ch**@intradata.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:Oo**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Debugging would seem to be a little useless since, as I said, it
>>>>>> runs perfectly under Casini. The
>>>>>> problem is not with my code, but with the difference between IIS
>>>>>> and Casini. It appears there is a
>>>>>> bug in IIS. I can't be the first and only person to notice a
>>>>>> difference between the two
>>>>>> environments.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:eW**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Have you tried debugging the app under IIS ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Post some of the code that's failing in IIS.
>>>>>>> That's the only way we could possibly help you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
>>>>>>> aspnetfaq.com : http://www.aspnetfaq.com/
>>>>>>> asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
>>>>>>> foros de asp.net, en espaņol : http://asp.net.do/foros/
>>>>>>> ===================================
>>>>>>> "Chip" <ch**@intradata.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:us**************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>I have a dual-threaded app that runs just as it's supposed to
>>>>>>>>under Casini. However, when I run
>>>>>>>>the exact same code undier IIS (ASP.NET 2.0) on the same
>>>>>>>>machine, it is totally unpredictable and
>>>>>>>>crashes the server. One would think my threading was the
>>>>>>>>problem, but like I said, runs perfectly
>>>>>>>>under Casini.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any ideas?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
re: What a moron.
You were "complaining" about insults, right ?
DEBUG your friggin' application on IIS!
heh, heh...
Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
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===================================
"Chip" <ch**@intradata.com> wrote in message news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... The other posters, as well as some emailers, have been very helpful in explaining why I should not
count on Cassini to emulate IIS, which it is advertised as doing. This thread has been about the
difference between them and if my code works in Cassini but not IIS (on both XP and Win2003) is my
code broken or is IIS broken? Not, as you continue to spew, how I am refusing to debug my own
code. What a moron.
But as you so elloquently put it, whatever, Juan.
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:Ol**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... Whatever, Chip.
Now that Pandurang has offered you the same advice I gave you,
and which 3 other developers have given you, too, that's 5 developers
recommending that you should debug your application under IIS.
I don't understand why you refuse to do so.
Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
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asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
foros de asp.net, en espaņol : http://asp.net.do/foros/
===================================
"Chip" <ch**@intradata.com> wrote in message news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... Oh no problem. It was when your tone turned condescending and insulting, like when you told me,
a professional coder, that "The purpose, when you debug, is to identify problems". No shit.
And then you continued with, 'No, but you may very well be the first one to refuse to debug an
application"
I didn't make a big deal out of it, like you did. I can take a bit of sarcasm, especially from
someone who is trying to help me. But if you're going to dish it out, you better be willing to
take some back.
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:O$**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
So, now, besides being in an "ivory tower",
I'm also using the "guise of being helpful",
and I made an "insulting remark" to you ?
If you would quote it, I'd be quick to apologize.
I suspect you are not capable of doing that.
Whatever, Chip. Carry on.
Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
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foros de asp.net, en espaņol : http://asp.net.do/foros/
===================================
"Chip" <ch**@intradata.com> wrote in message news:u4**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> You probably should have not ended the converstation there and actually read the rest of the
> post. If an insulting remark were enough to stop conversation, I wouldn't have read past a few
> sentences into your third post. If you want to continue to insult people you assume aren't as
> intelligent or determined as you are, please just be straight forward and don't use the guise
> of being "helpful".
> "Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> re:
>>>You really need to get down from that ivory tower.
>>
>> That's the end of this conversation.
>>
>> I'm sorry I took up your time.
>> Good luck in your future endeavors.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
>> aspnetfaq.com : http://www.aspnetfaq.com/
>> asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
>> foros de asp.net, en espaņol : http://asp.net.do/foros/
>> ===================================
>> "Chip" <ch**@intradata.com> wrote in message news:u4**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>> You really need to get down from that ivory tower. Do you think I'm just sitting here
>>> waiting for the app to fix itself? I am taking the most reasonable, logical, and efficient
>>> way to fixing this. I first identified that the problem is with IIS and not my code. So I
>>> posted the issue to see if there was any buzz on it or a work around that I need to know
>>> about AND to alert others and MS about the problem.
>>>
>>> Before I spend hours of my time to isolate which part of ISS is breaking, just so I can give
>>> that info to MS and save them some time (and not even necessarily figure out if there IS a
>>> work around), I would like to know if there is a likely cause so I can concentrate my
>>> efforts in the right area.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>> news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>> re:
>>>>> You are CLOSE to right. Debugging is something you do to identify the problem SO YOU CAN
>>>>> FIX IT. I will obviously not be fixing IIS even if I do figure it out.
>>>>
>>>> I guess you won't fix your problem, then.
>>>>
>>>> The idea, when debugging, even if you can't fix the problem by yourself,
>>>> is reporting what the debugger says the problem is.
>>>>
>>>> Someone might have the necessary experience to know what to do.
>>>>
>>>> But if you won't even debug your own application,
>>>> there's nothing anybody can do to help you further.
>>>>
>>>> This may not be about "fixing IIS". Something else might be the problem.
>>>> Debugging your application might tell what the problem is.
>>>>
>>>> In any case, at this point, you would be the one benefitting from the collective
>>>> knowledge that frequenters to this newsgroup have, but if you won't help
>>>> yourself, nobody can do it for you.
>>>>
>>>> re:
>>>>> I did appreciate your help in telling me how to turn Casini off.
>>>>
>>>> You're quite welcome.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
>>>> aspnetfaq.com : http://www.aspnetfaq.com/
>>>> asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
>>>> foros de asp.net, en espaņol : http://asp.net.do/foros/
>>>> ===================================
>>>> "Chip" <ch**@intradata.com> wrote in message news:O8**************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Argh yourself. You are CLOSE to right. Debugging is something you do to identify the
>>>>> problem SO YOU CAN FIX IT. I will obviously not be fixing IIS even if I do figure it out.
>>>>> Yes, I obviously need to figure out a work around, but my preferred solution woulld have
>>>>> been, "Oh, MS has identified that bug and here is the fix". I am not looking forward to
>>>>> debugging a platform I cannot see into and deals with multi-threading.
>>>>>
>>>>> I did appreciate your help in telling me how to turn Casini off.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chip
>>>>>
>>>>> "Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:uJ*************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> re:
>>>>>>> Debugging would seem to be a little useless since, as I said, it runs perfectly under
>>>>>>> Casini. The
>>>>>>> problem is not with my code, but with the difference between IIS and Casini.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Aargh!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The purpose, when you debug, is to identify problems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you debug the application under IIS,
>>>>>> you will identify what's causing the problems you say you have.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Isn't that what you want to do ? [ identify the problem(s)... ]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> re:
>>>>>>> I can't be the first and only person to notice a difference between the two
>>>>>>> environments.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, but you may very well be the first one to refuse to debug an application
>>>>>> which apparently is having problems running uder IIS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can't pin down execution problems via osmosis.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
>>>>>> aspnetfaq.com : http://www.aspnetfaq.com/
>>>>>> asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
>>>>>> foros de asp.net, en espaņol : http://asp.net.do/foros/
>>>>>> ===================================
>>>>>> "Chip" <ch**@intradata.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:Oo**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Debugging would seem to be a little useless since, as I said, it runs perfectly under
>>>>>>> Casini. The
>>>>>>> problem is not with my code, but with the difference between IIS and Casini. It appears
>>>>>>> there is a
>>>>>>> bug in IIS. I can't be the first and only person to notice a difference between the two
>>>>>>> environments.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:eW**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> Have you tried debugging the app under IIS ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Post some of the code that's failing in IIS.
>>>>>>>> That's the only way we could possibly help you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
>>>>>>>> aspnetfaq.com : http://www.aspnetfaq.com/
>>>>>>>> asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
>>>>>>>> foros de asp.net, en espaņol : http://asp.net.do/foros/
>>>>>>>> ===================================
>>>>>>>> "Chip" <ch**@intradata.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:us**************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>I have a dual-threaded app that runs just as it's supposed to under Casini. However,
>>>>>>>>>when I run
>>>>>>>>>the exact same code undier IIS (ASP.NET 2.0) on the same machine, it is totally
>>>>>>>>>unpredictable and
>>>>>>>>>crashes the server. One would think my threading was the problem, but like I said, runs
>>>>>>>>>perfectly
>>>>>>>>>under Casini.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Any ideas?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
So this whole topic is a p***ing match? Don't you guys have anything
better to do with your time?
Chip, all the others are right, the only way to be sure the issue isn't
a bug in your code that isn't apparent under Cassini due to some quirk
is to debug under IIS.
Juan, I'd be a lot more sympathetic to you if you didn't seem to have
similar issues with posters in so many other threads. If you think
folks are rude, ignore them, don't run out long threads the rest of us
skim through hoping in vain to find something substantive in.
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