What's the sequence to learn web programming?

[pedestrian via DotNetMonster.com]

With so many technologies around which include HTML, XML, Javascript, CSS,
ASP, ASP.NET (and PHP, JSP of course etc.)

What is the sequence for learning web programming? which come should be
learned first and which should come later? Which form the foundation?

My aim is to become a web developer for both commercial Intranet and Internet
application.
Thanks for sharing...

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[BusEdge]

On Feb 28, 9:01 am, "pedestrian via DotNetMonster.c om" <u16758@uwe>
wrote:

With so many technologies around which include HTML, XML, Javascript, CSS,
ASP, ASP.NET (and PHP, JSP of course etc.)

What is the sequence for learning web programming? which come should be
learned first and which should come later? Which form the foundation?

My aim is to become a web developer for both commercial Intranet and Internet
application.
Thanks for sharing...

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First, not sure why PHP and JSP are in there with "of course"... oh
the horror!

Ask this question to 10 web developers and you will get 10 different
responses. Personally, I think you either have it or you don't. Anyone
can pick up a book, code a few html pages and call themselves a web
developer. But to become a good web developer, you need a solid
foundation in math and logic. Regarding platforms/languages, Classic
ASP is out, don't even bother with that. You should definitely start
with HTML, then understand the concepts of server side vs. client
side, then learn about the ASP.NET platform, then pick a dotnet
language like VB.NET or C# and start learning that (my preference is
C#). You will also need to learn about databases and how to write SQL
queries. You can download SQL Server Express for free (http://
msdn.microsoft. com/vstudio/express/sql/). XML, Javascript, and CSS
are all things that you will pick up along the way, I wouldn't focus
on those specifically until you have a good understanding of ASP.NET
and using ADO.NET and SQL.

Regards,
Brandon

http://www.busedge.com

[Laurent Bugnion [MVP]]

Hi,

pedestrian via DotNetMonster.c om wrote:

With so many technologies around which include HTML, XML, Javascript, CSS,
ASP, ASP.NET (and PHP, JSP of course etc.)

What is the sequence for learning web programming? which come should be
learned first and which should come later? Which form the foundation?

My aim is to become a web developer for both commercial Intranet and Internet
application.
Thanks for sharing...

IMHO, it's vital for a web developer to understand how the client is
working. Server-side development is not that different from "normal"
software development. It's the same libraries, the same languages. On
the client, the constraints are much bigger you have less permissions,
the languages are (more or less) given (HTML, JavaScript, CSS).

My recommendation would be to start with pure client-side pages, before
moving to client-server interaction.

Greetings,
Laurent
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[John Timney \(MVP\)]

Start by learning html - because thats what all web technologies output in
one form or another. Learn CSS as you learn HTML - its necessary to know as
much about one as the other. Once your comfortable, introduce javascript.
When your happy with the basics start with simple asp.net examples and
compare the output to what you know now about html/css/javascript. PHP at
this point is easy to bolt on, once you've got that you can go through the
pain of getting a JSP runtime environment working and learn about servlets,
taglibs etc if you really think its important - me, I'd spend that time
instead looking at accessing databases if your so new to web development.

Equally as important is learning about webservers - as you cannot detach
your coding work from that requirement ever. Dont leave it until last.

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With so many technologies around which include HTML, XML, Javascript, CSS,
ASP, ASP.NET (and PHP, JSP of course etc.)

What is the sequence for learning web programming? which come should be
learned first and which should come later? Which form the foundation?

My aim is to become a web developer for both commercial Intranet and
Internet
application.
Thanks for sharing...

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[pedestrian via DotNetMonster.com]

BusEdge wrote:

>First, not sure why PHP and JSP are in there with "of course"... oh
the horror!

Thanks for your advice.... just curious why "... PHP and JSP... oh the
horror" ?

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Pedestrian, Penang.

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[pedestrian via DotNetMonster.com]

Laurent Bugnion [MVP] wrote:

>Server-side development is not that different from "normal"
software development. It's the same libraries, the same languages.

Hi Laurent, thanks for your recommedation, I agree with you.
Refer to the above, Is the "Server-side development" you mentioned
refer purely to ASP.NET or ... ? I appreciate your reply.

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Pedestrian, Penang.

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[pedestrian via DotNetMonster.com]

Hi, John, thanks for your reply. I started with basic ASP.NET with limited
HTML knowledge and just going to learn CSS. When I look at the web pages
source codes, I feel that it's complicated. May be that because my HTML
knowledge is limited and yet to learn both CSS and Javascript.

I'll spend some time with that and then only to ASP.NET and other.

I've learn some ADO.NET like DataAdapter, DataReader, DataSet, DataTable etc
and are quite familiar with SQL statements. What else that is needed for
database-powered webpages?

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Pedestrian, Penang.

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[John Timney \(MVP\)]

Well you probably need to learn about stored procedures, and general
database configuration and maintenence - just so you undertsand the concepts
and terms in a conversation. Get to know the gridview and databinding to
controls in asp.net. The reason I suggest you learn about client code first
is that server code and output are hugely different - Gridview is a prime
example.

Just stick with what your doing, adding to your knowldge and you'll keep
improving.

Regards

John Timney (MVP)
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Hi, John, thanks for your reply. I started with basic ASP.NET with limited
HTML knowledge and just going to learn CSS. When I look at the web pages
source codes, I feel that it's complicated. May be that because my HTML
knowledge is limited and yet to learn both CSS and Javascript.

I'll spend some time with that and then only to ASP.NET and other.

I've learn some ADO.NET like DataAdapter, DataReader, DataSet, DataTable
etc
and are quite familiar with SQL statements. What else that is needed for
database-powered webpages?

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Regards,
Pedestrian, Penang.

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[BusEdge]

On Mar 1, 7:17 am, "pedestrian via DotNetMonster.c om" <u16758@uwe>
wrote:

BusEdge wrote:

First, not sure why PHP and JSP are in there with "of course"... oh
the horror!

Thanks for your advice.... just curious why "... PHP and JSP... oh the
horror" ?

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Regards,
Pedestrian, Penang.

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Ok I was kidding to some extent, but since you asked ... this is a
Microsoft newsgroup, and PHP and JSP are non-Microsoft technologies.
Not that I have anything against PHP and JSP per se, it's just that
PHP, JSP and ASP.NET are all competing technologies that do pretty
much the same thing (I can already hear the sizzle of flames a-
coming). If you are just getting started, you should focus on one set
of technologies before learning the competing ones.

Brandon

[Laurent Bugnion [MVP]]

Hi,

pedestrian via DotNetMonster.c om wrote:

Laurent Bugnion [MVP] wrote:

>Server-side development is not that different from "normal"
software development. It's the same libraries, the same languages.

Hi Laurent, thanks for your recommedation, I agree with you.
Refer to the above, Is the "Server-side development" you mentioned
refer purely to ASP.NET or ... ? I appreciate your reply.

Well, this is pretty much up to you. I like ASP.NET because it has a
very clean, object oriented concept, and C# is really fun to program. I
wouldn't recommend ASP anymore, because it's really old fashioned.
Depending on your infrastructure, you might want to try other frameworks
and/or languages.

Greetings,
Laurent
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Software engineering, Blog: http://www.galasoft-LB.ch
PhotoAlbum: http://www.galasoft-LB.ch/pictures
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