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master pages - header, content, footer

Thinking of creating a website, most of the pages will have a general
toolbar
menu, a content and a footer.
The content will be the only one who's gonna change but the rest
(header,footer)
will remain the same.
I am interested to know your opinions/suggestions in finding an easy
way of doing it.

In asp one could have something like this:
let's say we have a page x1_page.asp

<!--#include file="top.asp"-->
<!--#include file="x1_conten t.asp"-->
<!--#include file="footer.as p"-->

Put it more simple for x2_page.asp I will only change the content
inclusion:

<!--#include file="top.asp"-->
<!--#include file="x2_conten t.asp"-->
<!--#include file="footer.as p"-->

and I don't have to change anything on top and footer.
In ASP.net 2.0 is any way to accomplish the same, or to create a
wrapper with master pages? Do you have any other ideas? PlaceHolder
maybe one even though it's
not very stright and simple.

Thanks,
XK

Jul 24 '06 #1
7 8724
This is exactly what master pages are for and most of the getting started
examples you will find on the web are pretty much representitive of the type
of site you would like to put together.

Regards

John Timney (MVP)

<xk****@gmail.c omwrote in message
news:11******** *************@7 5g2000cwc.googl egroups.com...
Thinking of creating a website, most of the pages will have a general
toolbar
menu, a content and a footer.
The content will be the only one who's gonna change but the rest
(header,footer)
will remain the same.
I am interested to know your opinions/suggestions in finding an easy
way of doing it.

In asp one could have something like this:
let's say we have a page x1_page.asp

<!--#include file="top.asp"-->
<!--#include file="x1_conten t.asp"-->
<!--#include file="footer.as p"-->

Put it more simple for x2_page.asp I will only change the content
inclusion:

<!--#include file="top.asp"-->
<!--#include file="x2_conten t.asp"-->
<!--#include file="footer.as p"-->

and I don't have to change anything on top and footer.
In ASP.net 2.0 is any way to accomplish the same, or to create a
wrapper with master pages? Do you have any other ideas? PlaceHolder
maybe one even though it's
not very stright and simple.

Thanks,
XK

Jul 24 '06 #2
John, thanks for answering.
With Master Pages it's exactly what I thought at the beginning but
getting to the code part I got stuck when I had to write the content.

Let me explain, I am sure I am missing something, but I don't know
what. So if I have a master page like this:

<%@ Master Language="VB" CodeFile="Maste rPage.master.vb "
Inherits="Maste rPage" %>
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dt d">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" >
<head runat="server" <title>Untitl ed Page</title</head>
<body>
<form id="form1" runat="server">
<table width="100%">
<tr>
<td>
<asp:contentpla ceholder id="ContentHead er" runat="server">
</asp:contentplac eholder>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
<asp:contentpla ceholder id="ContentPlac eHolder" runat="server">
</asp:contentplac eholder>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
<asp:contentpla ceholder id="ContentFoot er" runat="server">
</asp:contentplac eholder>
</td>
</tr>
</table>
</form>
</body>
</html>

I end up having just ONE file for the content page:

<%@ Page Language="VB" MasterPageFile= "~/template/MasterPage.mast er"
AutoEventWireup ="false" CodeFile="Defau lt2.aspx.vb"
Inherits="templ ate_Default2" title="Untitled Page" %>
<asp:Content ID="Content1" ContentPlaceHol derID="ContentH eader"
Runat="Server">
</asp:Content>
<asp:Content ID="Content2" ContentPlaceHol derID="ContentP laceHolder"
Runat="Server">
</asp:Content>
<asp:Content ID="Content3" ContentPlaceHol derID="ContentF ooter"
Runat="Server">
</asp:Content>
My problem is: I want to have 3 different independent files:
header.aspx, content.aspx and footer.aspx so at the end (after creating
header and footer) I will only write content part.

Otherwise am I going to write Content1 and Content3 everytime when I
create a new page??

Thanks again,
XK

John Timney (MVP) wrote:
This is exactly what master pages are for and most of the getting started
examples you will find on the web are pretty much representitive of the type
of site you would like to put together.

Regards

John Timney (MVP)

<xk****@gmail.c omwrote in message
news:11******** *************@7 5g2000cwc.googl egroups.com...
Thinking of creating a website, most of the pages will have a general
toolbar
menu, a content and a footer.
The content will be the only one who's gonna change but the rest
(header,footer)
will remain the same.
I am interested to know your opinions/suggestions in finding an easy
way of doing it.

In asp one could have something like this:
let's say we have a page x1_page.asp

<!--#include file="top.asp"-->
<!--#include file="x1_conten t.asp"-->
<!--#include file="footer.as p"-->

Put it more simple for x2_page.asp I will only change the content
inclusion:

<!--#include file="top.asp"-->
<!--#include file="x2_conten t.asp"-->
<!--#include file="footer.as p"-->

and I don't have to change anything on top and footer.
In ASP.net 2.0 is any way to accomplish the same, or to create a
wrapper with master pages? Do you have any other ideas? PlaceHolder
maybe one even though it's
not very stright and simple.

Thanks,
XK
Jul 24 '06 #3
XK-

It is possible to have "nested" masterpages, although it is not
literally one masterpage file within another. I dont use this system
really as it seems to be pretty cumbersome.

Check out www.asp.net for tutorial videos (I found them really useful)
on masterpages in general.

Hope the videos help,

Chris

xk****@gmail.co m wrote:
John, thanks for answering.
With Master Pages it's exactly what I thought at the beginning but
getting to the code part I got stuck when I had to write the content.

Let me explain, I am sure I am missing something, but I don't know
what. So if I have a master page like this:

<%@ Master Language="VB" CodeFile="Maste rPage.master.vb "
Inherits="Maste rPage" %>
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dt d">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" >
<head runat="server" <title>Untitl ed Page</title</head>
<body>
<form id="form1" runat="server">
<table width="100%">
<tr>
<td>
<asp:contentpla ceholder id="ContentHead er" runat="server">
</asp:contentplac eholder>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
<asp:contentpla ceholder id="ContentPlac eHolder" runat="server">
</asp:contentplac eholder>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
<asp:contentpla ceholder id="ContentFoot er" runat="server">
</asp:contentplac eholder>
</td>
</tr>
</table>
</form>
</body>
</html>

I end up having just ONE file for the content page:

<%@ Page Language="VB" MasterPageFile= "~/template/MasterPage.mast er"
AutoEventWireup ="false" CodeFile="Defau lt2.aspx.vb"
Inherits="templ ate_Default2" title="Untitled Page" %>
<asp:Content ID="Content1" ContentPlaceHol derID="ContentH eader"
Runat="Server">
</asp:Content>
<asp:Content ID="Content2" ContentPlaceHol derID="ContentP laceHolder"
Runat="Server">
</asp:Content>
<asp:Content ID="Content3" ContentPlaceHol derID="ContentF ooter"
Runat="Server">
</asp:Content>
My problem is: I want to have 3 different independent files:
header.aspx, content.aspx and footer.aspx so at the end (after creating
header and footer) I will only write content part.

Otherwise am I going to write Content1 and Content3 everytime when I
create a new page??

Thanks again,
XK

John Timney (MVP) wrote:
This is exactly what master pages are for and most of the getting started
examples you will find on the web are pretty much representitive of the type
of site you would like to put together.

Regards

John Timney (MVP)

<xk****@gmail.c omwrote in message
news:11******** *************@7 5g2000cwc.googl egroups.com...
Thinking of creating a website, most of the pages will have a general
toolbar
menu, a content and a footer.
The content will be the only one who's gonna change but the rest
(header,footer)
will remain the same.
I am interested to know your opinions/suggestions in finding an easy
way of doing it.
>
In asp one could have something like this:
let's say we have a page x1_page.asp
>
<!--#include file="top.asp"-->
<!--#include file="x1_conten t.asp"-->
<!--#include file="footer.as p"-->
>
Put it more simple for x2_page.asp I will only change the content
inclusion:
>
<!--#include file="top.asp"-->
<!--#include file="x2_conten t.asp"-->
<!--#include file="footer.as p"-->
>
and I don't have to change anything on top and footer.
>
>
In ASP.net 2.0 is any way to accomplish the same, or to create a
wrapper with master pages? Do you have any other ideas? PlaceHolder
maybe one even though it's
not very stright and simple.
>
Thanks,
XK
>
Jul 24 '06 #4
Probably in the future Master Pages in .net will come up with more
flexibility. In my case (still, I might be wrong) I wasn't able to get
to the point to consider them really useful.
I will probably stick with page inheritance / placeholder control.



Chris Lincoln wrote:
XK-

It is possible to have "nested" masterpages, although it is not
literally one masterpage file within another. I dont use this system
really as it seems to be pretty cumbersome.

Check out www.asp.net for tutorial videos (I found them really useful)
on masterpages in general.

Hope the videos help,

Chris

xk****@gmail.co m wrote:
John, thanks for answering.
With Master Pages it's exactly what I thought at the beginning but
getting to the code part I got stuck when I had to write the content.

Let me explain, I am sure I am missing something, but I don't know
what. So if I have a master page like this:

<%@ Master Language="VB" CodeFile="Maste rPage.master.vb "
Inherits="Maste rPage" %>
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dt d">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" >
<head runat="server" <title>Untitl ed Page</title</head>
<body>
<form id="form1" runat="server">
<table width="100%">
<tr>
<td>
<asp:contentpla ceholder id="ContentHead er" runat="server">
</asp:contentplac eholder>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
<asp:contentpla ceholder id="ContentPlac eHolder" runat="server">
</asp:contentplac eholder>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
<asp:contentpla ceholder id="ContentFoot er" runat="server">
</asp:contentplac eholder>
</td>
</tr>
</table>
</form>
</body>
</html>

I end up having just ONE file for the content page:

<%@ Page Language="VB" MasterPageFile= "~/template/MasterPage.mast er"
AutoEventWireup ="false" CodeFile="Defau lt2.aspx.vb"
Inherits="templ ate_Default2" title="Untitled Page" %>
<asp:Content ID="Content1" ContentPlaceHol derID="ContentH eader"
Runat="Server">
</asp:Content>
<asp:Content ID="Content2" ContentPlaceHol derID="ContentP laceHolder"
Runat="Server">
</asp:Content>
<asp:Content ID="Content3" ContentPlaceHol derID="ContentF ooter"
Runat="Server">
</asp:Content>
My problem is: I want to have 3 different independent files:
header.aspx, content.aspx and footer.aspx so at the end (after creating
header and footer) I will only write content part.

Otherwise am I going to write Content1 and Content3 everytime when I
create a new page??

Thanks again,
XK

John Timney (MVP) wrote:
This is exactly what master pages are for and most of the getting started
examples you will find on the web are pretty much representitive of the type
of site you would like to put together.
>
Regards
>
John Timney (MVP)
>
>
>
<xk****@gmail.c omwrote in message
news:11******** *************@7 5g2000cwc.googl egroups.com...
Thinking of creating a website, most of the pages will have a general
toolbar
menu, a content and a footer.
The content will be the only one who's gonna change but the rest
(header,footer)
will remain the same.
I am interested to know your opinions/suggestions in finding an easy
way of doing it.

In asp one could have something like this:
let's say we have a page x1_page.asp

<!--#include file="top.asp"-->
<!--#include file="x1_conten t.asp"-->
<!--#include file="footer.as p"-->

Put it more simple for x2_page.asp I will only change the content
inclusion:

<!--#include file="top.asp"-->
<!--#include file="x2_conten t.asp"-->
<!--#include file="footer.as p"-->

and I don't have to change anything on top and footer.


In ASP.net 2.0 is any way to accomplish the same, or to create a
wrapper with master pages? Do you have any other ideas? PlaceHolder
maybe one even though it's
not very stright and simple.

Thanks,
XK
Jul 25 '06 #5

xk****@gmail.co m wrote:
John, thanks for answering.
With Master Pages it's exactly what I thought at the beginning but
getting to the code part I got stuck when I had to write the content.

Let me explain, I am sure I am missing something, but I don't know
what. So if I have a master page like this:

<%@ Master Language="VB" CodeFile="Maste rPage.master.vb "
Inherits="Maste rPage" %>
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dt d">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" >
<head runat="server" <title>Untitl ed Page</title</head>
<body>
<form id="form1" runat="server">
<table width="100%">
<tr>
<td>
<asp:contentpla ceholder id="ContentHead er" runat="server">
</asp:contentplac eholder>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
<asp:contentpla ceholder id="ContentPlac eHolder" runat="server">
</asp:contentplac eholder>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
<asp:contentpla ceholder id="ContentFoot er" runat="server">
</asp:contentplac eholder>
</td>
</tr>
</table>
</form>
</body>
</html>

I end up having just ONE file for the content page:

<%@ Page Language="VB" MasterPageFile= "~/template/MasterPage.mast er"
AutoEventWireup ="false" CodeFile="Defau lt2.aspx.vb"
Inherits="templ ate_Default2" title="Untitled Page" %>
<asp:Content ID="Content1" ContentPlaceHol derID="ContentH eader"
Runat="Server">
</asp:Content>
<asp:Content ID="Content2" ContentPlaceHol derID="ContentP laceHolder"
Runat="Server">
</asp:Content>
<asp:Content ID="Content3" ContentPlaceHol derID="ContentF ooter"
Runat="Server">
</asp:Content>
My problem is: I want to have 3 different independent files:
header.aspx, content.aspx and footer.aspx so at the end (after creating
header and footer) I will only write content part.

Otherwise am I going to write Content1 and Content3 everytime when I
create a new page??

Thanks again,
XK
What about using UserControls (ascx) for the header and footer?

Al

Jul 25 '06 #6
You dont need content place holders for your header and footer or seprate
aspx files for these. The header and footer can be placed directly into yor
master template layout with a single (or multiple)conten tplaceholder to hold
your changing content. That way, each new page at design time inherits the
master page and you only need to change the contentplacehol ders contents in
each aspx. At render time, the header and footer will be appleid for you.

--
Regards

John Timney (MVP)
<xk****@gmail.c omwrote in message
news:11******** **************@ i42g2000cwa.goo glegroups.com.. .
John, thanks for answering.
With Master Pages it's exactly what I thought at the beginning but
getting to the code part I got stuck when I had to write the content.

Let me explain, I am sure I am missing something, but I don't know
what. So if I have a master page like this:

<%@ Master Language="VB" CodeFile="Maste rPage.master.vb "
Inherits="Maste rPage" %>
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dt d">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" >
<head runat="server" <title>Untitl ed Page</title</head>
<body>
<form id="form1" runat="server">
<table width="100%">
<tr>
<td>
<asp:contentpla ceholder id="ContentHead er" runat="server">
</asp:contentplac eholder>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
<asp:contentpla ceholder id="ContentPlac eHolder" runat="server">
</asp:contentplac eholder>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
<asp:contentpla ceholder id="ContentFoot er" runat="server">
</asp:contentplac eholder>
</td>
</tr>
</table>
</form>
</body>
</html>

I end up having just ONE file for the content page:

<%@ Page Language="VB" MasterPageFile= "~/template/MasterPage.mast er"
AutoEventWireup ="false" CodeFile="Defau lt2.aspx.vb"
Inherits="templ ate_Default2" title="Untitled Page" %>
<asp:Content ID="Content1" ContentPlaceHol derID="ContentH eader"
Runat="Server">
</asp:Content>
<asp:Content ID="Content2" ContentPlaceHol derID="ContentP laceHolder"
Runat="Server">
</asp:Content>
<asp:Content ID="Content3" ContentPlaceHol derID="ContentF ooter"
Runat="Server">
</asp:Content>
My problem is: I want to have 3 different independent files:
header.aspx, content.aspx and footer.aspx so at the end (after creating
header and footer) I will only write content part.

Otherwise am I going to write Content1 and Content3 everytime when I
create a new page??

Thanks again,
XK

John Timney (MVP) wrote:
>This is exactly what master pages are for and most of the getting started
examples you will find on the web are pretty much representitive of the
type
of site you would like to put together.

Regards

John Timney (MVP)

<xk****@gmail. comwrote in message
news:11******* **************@ 75g2000cwc.goog legroups.com...
Thinking of creating a website, most of the pages will have a general
toolbar
menu, a content and a footer.
The content will be the only one who's gonna change but the rest
(header,footer)
will remain the same.
I am interested to know your opinions/suggestions in finding an easy
way of doing it.

In asp one could have something like this:
let's say we have a page x1_page.asp

<!--#include file="top.asp"-->
<!--#include file="x1_conten t.asp"-->
<!--#include file="footer.as p"-->

Put it more simple for x2_page.asp I will only change the content
inclusion:

<!--#include file="top.asp"-->
<!--#include file="x2_conten t.asp"-->
<!--#include file="footer.as p"-->

and I don't have to change anything on top and footer.
In ASP.net 2.0 is any way to accomplish the same, or to create a
wrapper with master pages? Do you have any other ideas? PlaceHolder
maybe one even though it's
not very stright and simple.

Thanks,
XK

Jul 25 '06 #7
In article <11************ **********@m79g 2000cwm.googleg roups.com>,
xk****@gmail.co m writes
>Probably in the future Master Pages in .net will come up with more
flexibility. In my case (still, I might be wrong) I wasn't able to get to the
point to consider them really useful. I will probably stick with page
inheritance / placeholder control.
No, I think you need to think more about how master pages work. Your
example is perfect for them, it's your understanding of how they work
that's flawed (if you'll pardon me for saying so).

Your problem seems to be that you have defined three content place
holders in the master, one for the header, one for the content and one
for the footer. The whole purpose of the master page is that the common
parts of the page, in your case meaning the header and footer, go *in*
the master page itself. You only have a content place holder for parts
of the page that will differ, ie the content.

Create a master page like the one you showed, but replace the
ContentHeader placeholder with the actual header HTML. Similarly,
replace the ContentFooter placeholder with the actual HTML for the
footer. Then, each individual .aspx file only needs a content control
for the actual content. An example follows...

<%@ Master Language="VB" CodeFile="Maste rPage.master.vb "
Inherits="Maste rPage" %>
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dt d">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" >
<head runat="server" <title>Untitl ed Page</title</head>
<body>
<form id="form1" runat="server">
<table width="100%">
<tr>
<td>
<!-- header stuff goes here... -->
<h1>Fred's Ferrets Limited</h1>
<h2>The best ferrets on the web!!</h2>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
<asp:contentpla ceholder id="ContentPlac eHolder" runat="server">
</asp:contentplac eholder>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
<!-- footer stuff goes here... -->
<p>Web site and content &copy;1923 by Fred</p>
</td>
</tr>
</table>
</form>
</body>
</html>

I hope this makes it clear. What you are doing is a classic example of
what master pages were designed for, and I would hate to see you reject
them based on a misunderstandin g of how they work.

HTH

P.S. You really shouldn't be using tables to layout pages. That is a way
outdated way of doing it and bloats your pages unnecessarily. Use CSS
instead and you'll find your pages are more accessible, lighter and
significantly better seen by the search engines.

--
Alan Silver
(anything added below this line is nothing to do with me)
Aug 1 '06 #8

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ONU (Optical Network Unit) is one of the key components for providing high-speed Internet services. Its primary function is to act as an endpoint device located at the user's premises. However, people are often confused as to whether an ONU can Work As a Router. In this blog post, we’ll explore What is ONU, What Is Router, ONU & Router’s main usage, and What is the difference between ONU and Router. Let’s take a closer look ! Part I. Meaning of...
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by: Hystou | last post by:
Most computers default to English, but sometimes we require a different language, especially when relocating. Forgot to request a specific language before your computer shipped? No problem! You can effortlessly switch the default language on Windows 10 without reinstalling. I'll walk you through it. First, let's disable language synchronization. With a Microsoft account, language settings sync across devices. To prevent any complications,...
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jinu1996
by: jinu1996 | last post by:
In today's digital age, having a compelling online presence is paramount for businesses aiming to thrive in a competitive landscape. At the heart of this digital strategy lies an intricately woven tapestry of website design and digital marketing. It's not merely about having a website; it's about crafting an immersive digital experience that captivates audiences and drives business growth. The Art of Business Website Design Your website is...
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by: Hystou | last post by:
Overview: Windows 11 and 10 have less user interface control over operating system update behaviour than previous versions of Windows. In Windows 11 and 10, there is no way to turn off the Windows Update option using the Control Panel or Settings app; it automatically checks for updates and installs any it finds, whether you like it or not. For most users, this new feature is actually very convenient. If you want to control the update process,...
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tracyyun
by: tracyyun | last post by:
Dear forum friends, With the development of smart home technology, a variety of wireless communication protocols have appeared on the market, such as Zigbee, Z-Wave, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, etc. Each protocol has its own unique characteristics and advantages, but as a user who is planning to build a smart home system, I am a bit confused by the choice of these technologies. I'm particularly interested in Zigbee because I've heard it does some...
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agi2029
by: agi2029 | last post by:
Let's talk about the concept of autonomous AI software engineers and no-code agents. These AIs are designed to manage the entire lifecycle of a software development project—planning, coding, testing, and deployment—without human intervention. Imagine an AI that can take a project description, break it down, write the code, debug it, and then launch it, all on its own.... Now, this would greatly impact the work of software developers. The idea...
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isladogs
by: isladogs | last post by:
The next Access Europe User Group meeting will be on Wednesday 1 May 2024 starting at 18:00 UK time (6PM UTC+1) and finishing by 19:30 (7.30PM). In this session, we are pleased to welcome a new presenter, Adolph Dupré who will be discussing some powerful techniques for using class modules. He will explain when you may want to use classes instead of User Defined Types (UDT). For example, to manage the data in unbound forms. Adolph will...
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by: conductexam | last post by:
I have .net C# application in which I am extracting data from word file and save it in database particularly. To store word all data as it is I am converting the whole word file firstly in HTML and then checking html paragraph one by one. At the time of converting from word file to html my equations which are in the word document file was convert into image. Globals.ThisAddIn.Application.ActiveDocument.Select();...
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bsmnconsultancy
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In today's digital era, a well-designed website is crucial for businesses looking to succeed. Whether you're a small business owner or a large corporation in Toronto, having a strong online presence can significantly impact your brand's success. BSMN Consultancy, a leader in Website Development in Toronto offers valuable insights into creating effective websites that not only look great but also perform exceptionally well. In this comprehensive...

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