email grabbing in ASP?

[InvisibleMan]

Hi, Thanks for any help in advance...

I'm wondering if anyone knows how or has the resource for
graabing a users email address without them knowing?

Before I hear all the 'Its not ethical' blurb - I know and my
use is legitimate...

I am build an e-commerce store and as well as grabbing the users
IP at point of sale, i think it would be invaluable to grab a
users email address (on top of their registration supplied
address - but not always) so that in cases of attempted fraud
there is an additional avenue by which we can investigate. The
intention is by no means for spam (which I loathe)

Anyone know how to do this?

Regards

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[CJM]

If it was possible, it would still be unethical... even if your motive is
benign.

Where exactly are we to grab this email address from? The only way you can
get information from the user is if the user provides it for us in some way,
ie via an ASP form (e.g. order & customer information), or via the HTTP
headers (e.g. IP address).

Irrespective of ethical & privacy issues, how else can you get any more
information out of them? Maybe you could infect them with Spyware? A
Keylogger perhaps? But I dont think this is a viable course of action for
one as respectable as yourself...

I'm afraid you will have to minimise your exposure to fraud in other ways...

Chris
"InvisibleMan" <in**********@nodomain.com> wrote in message
news:61*******************@fe2.texas.rr.com...

Hi, Thanks for any help in advance...

I'm wondering if anyone knows how or has the resource for
graabing a users email address without them knowing?

Before I hear all the 'Its not ethical' blurb - I know and my
use is legitimate...

I am build an e-commerce store and as well as grabbing the users
IP at point of sale, i think it would be invaluable to grab a
users email address (on top of their registration supplied
address - but not always) so that in cases of attempted fraud
there is an additional avenue by which we can investigate. The
intention is by no means for spam (which I loathe)

Anyone know how to do this?

Regards

[Paul Baker]

Chris is right.

Which is the the right thing to do and more ethical?
1. When the user fills out a form to "sign up", include email address as one
of the fields and MAYBE make it a required field OR
2. Force them to install an ActiveX control that looks for email accounts
for common email clients like Outlook Express, Outlook, Netscape, Eudora,
whatver.

It has to be a complicated client-side thing, no browser's going to put that
stuff in the request and no script in the HTML is going to be able to do
that sort of thing.

I don't get why you would not just ask the user for their email address and
MAYBE make it a required field.

Paul

"CJM" <cj*******@newsgroups.nospam> wrote in message
news:ug**************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...

If it was possible, it would still be unethical... even if your motive is
benign.

Where exactly are we to grab this email address from? The only way you can
get information from the user is if the user provides it for us in some way, ie via an ASP form (e.g. order & customer information), or via the HTTP
headers (e.g. IP address).

Irrespective of ethical & privacy issues, how else can you get any more
information out of them? Maybe you could infect them with Spyware? A
Keylogger perhaps? But I dont think this is a viable course of action for
one as respectable as yourself...

I'm afraid you will have to minimise your exposure to fraud in other ways...
Chris
"InvisibleMan" <in**********@nodomain.com> wrote in message
news:61*******************@fe2.texas.rr.com...

Hi, Thanks for any help in advance...

I'm wondering if anyone knows how or has the resource for
graabing a users email address without them knowing?

Before I hear all the 'Its not ethical' blurb - I know and my
use is legitimate...

I am build an e-commerce store and as well as grabbing the users
IP at point of sale, i think it would be invaluable to grab a
users email address (on top of their registration supplied
address - but not always) so that in cases of attempted fraud
there is an additional avenue by which we can investigate. The
intention is by no means for spam (which I loathe)

Anyone know how to do this?

Regards

[Paul Baker]

Also, some web sites validate the email address by emailing you an
activation password or similar, and I think this is reasonable.

Paul

"CJM" <cj*******@newsgroups.nospam> wrote in message
news:ug**************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...

If it was possible, it would still be unethical... even if your motive is
benign.

Where exactly are we to grab this email address from? The only way you can
get information from the user is if the user provides it for us in some way, ie via an ASP form (e.g. order & customer information), or via the HTTP
headers (e.g. IP address).

Irrespective of ethical & privacy issues, how else can you get any more
information out of them? Maybe you could infect them with Spyware? A
Keylogger perhaps? But I dont think this is a viable course of action for
one as respectable as yourself...

I'm afraid you will have to minimise your exposure to fraud in other ways...
Chris
"InvisibleMan" <in**********@nodomain.com> wrote in message
news:61*******************@fe2.texas.rr.com...

Hi, Thanks for any help in advance...

I'm wondering if anyone knows how or has the resource for
graabing a users email address without them knowing?

Before I hear all the 'Its not ethical' blurb - I know and my
use is legitimate...

I am build an e-commerce store and as well as grabbing the users
IP at point of sale, i think it would be invaluable to grab a
users email address (on top of their registration supplied
address - but not always) so that in cases of attempted fraud
there is an additional avenue by which we can investigate. The
intention is by no means for spam (which I loathe)

Anyone know how to do this?

Regards

[Morris]

InvisibleMan wrote:

Hi, Thanks for any help in advance...

I'm wondering if anyone knows how or has the resource for
graabing a users email address without them knowing?

Before I hear all the 'Its not ethical' blurb - I know and my
use is legitimate...

I am build an e-commerce store and as well as grabbing the users
IP at point of sale, i think it would be invaluable to grab a
users email address (on top of their registration supplied
address - but not always) so that in cases of attempted fraud
there is an additional avenue by which we can investigate. The
intention is by no means for spam (which I loathe)

Anyone know how to do this?

Regards

Could you tell us the name of the site you are building? I for one
would want to avoid it.

Also, which email address do you plan on grabbing? I use at least half
a dozen. Or do you want to grab all the ones that might be lying
around on my machine? That would be over 10,000 at the moment, one way
or another.

You haven't really thought this through.

Morris