A message to Self-Appointed-NewsGroup-Netiquette-Enforcers... PLEASE LEAVE US ALONE!

1) Newsgroups have rules. Those rules in general are agreed upon by the
participants; if a poster follows the rules then they shouldn't have any
problems.

2) Responders spend their own time replying to posters, if the responder
wants to spend that time giving a full and complete answer or referncing a
webpage, previous thread or whatever then that is entirely up to them.

3) If you as an individual don't like a particular responders responses then
ignore them, or as an extreme killfile them.

4) It's a general truism in life that you get what you pay for, if your
lucky, with NGs you pay nothing for a massive resource of experience if you
don't like what you get then essentially hard luck, you can then fall back
on the resoure of working it out for yourself and doing your own research.
In summary your posting is the most selfish, self-serving plea I have ever
seen and displays a staggeringly woeful lack of perception as to what
newsgroups are about. If you don't like it here then don't come. If you
think ther is a better way to answer OPs then do it, but don't stand there
with your hand out for favours and then complain because you don't get
exactly what you want.
--
Terry Kreft

<sa****@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:11*********************@g49g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...

I hate people who post messages to complain about others posting to <Snivelling garbage snipped>

Dec 7 '05 #10

<sa****@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:11*********************@g49g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...

I hate people who post messages to complain about others posting to
multiple newsgroups, or condescendingly point to the documents in
answer to a question, or sarcastically hint at the triviality of a
posted question or suggestion.

Troll detected.

--
V

Dec 7 '05 #11

Keith W

<sa****@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:11*********************@g49g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...

I hate people who post messages to complain about others posting to
multiple newsgroups, or condescendingly point to the documents in
answer to a question, or sarcastically hint at the triviality of a
posted question or suggestion.

You're entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to ignore it.

<PLONK>

Dec 7 '05 #12

Mark South

On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 20:22:16 -0800, grenoble wrote:

"Larry Linson" <bo*****@localhost.not> wrote in message
news:PYslf.11962$SY.5668@trnddc06
Thank you for sharing your views. I am sure that all the participants
here will give them due consideration.

I doubt that anyone would even read such dribble.

That's exactly what Larry meant.

We now return you to your routine plonkings....
--
mark south: world citizen, net denizen
echo zn***********@lnubb.pb.hx|tr a-z n-za-m

Dec 7 '05 #13

Mark South

On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 17:45:28 -0800, Lyle Fairfield wrote:

You just want me for my body then?

Just the liver, thanks.
--
mark south: world citizen, net denizen
echo zn***********@lnubb.pb.hx|tr a-z n-za-m

Dec 7 '05 #14

JDS

On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 19:55:57 -0800, sa****@gmail.com wrote:

Mr. MST:

Read carefully please:
-UNDERSTAND THAT NOT EVERYBODY WHO IS ASKING A QUESTION WANTS TO BE AN
EXPERT IN THE TOPIC. SOMETIMES PEOPLE JUST NEED QUICK HELP IN ORDER TO
GET GOING WITH THEIR WORK. IF YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO HELP, IGNORE IT.

(I wish I had numbered my comments so that I could just refer to them!)

Also, you are not the representative of "WE" and nobody in "WE" has
asked you to take it upon yourself to defend the time others take to
"help others."

Sometimes I can answer in 2 minutes a question that takes someone else
20 hours to research. I personally believe me giving 2 minutes is more
reasonable. If you don't agree, MOVE ON! You don't have to spend that 2
minutes telling them that you are an expert but you don't feel like
answering their question because they haven't done the due-deligence.

Most of the responses to this point to your OP have been pretty
reasonable, civil, and polite. But I will try to summarize thusly:

Fuck you! No one here is being paid to answer your questions.

My finding is that greater than 99% of the questions posted on Usenet (and
indeed, most WWW forums) are answered correctly, quickly, civilly,
politely, etc. If you didn't like the response you got then piss off.

--
JDS | je*****@example.invalid
| http://www.newtnotes.com
DJMBS | http://newtnotes.com/doctor-jeff-master-brainsurgeon/

Dec 7 '05 #15

Rick Merrill

Robert Melson wrote:

In article <11**********************@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups .com>,
"sa****@gmail.com" <sa****@gmail.com> writes:

Mr. MST:

Also, you are not the representative of "WE" and nobody in "WE" has
asked you to take it upon yourself to defend the time others take to
"help others."

And you, m'friend, have not been appointed spokesman for the other side.

You might want to keep in mind the aphorism, "give a man a fish and he will eat
for a day; teach him to fish and he will eat for a lifetime".

The modern version is "Teach a man to use the internet, and he won't
bother you for weeks."

Dec 7 '05 #16

Robert Melson

In article <vI******************************@comcast.com>,
Rick Merrill <ri***********@NOSPAMgmail.com> writes:

Robert Melson wrote:
In article <11**********************@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups .com>,
"sa****@gmail.com" <sa****@gmail.com> writes:

Mr. MST:

Also, you are not the representative of "WE" and nobody in "WE" has
asked you to take it upon yourself to defend the time others take to
"help others."

And you, m'friend, have not been appointed spokesman for the other side.

You might want to keep in mind the aphorism, "give a man a fish and he will eat
for a day; teach him to fish and he will eat for a lifetime".

The modern version is "Teach a man to use the internet, and he won't
bother you for weeks."

Well, yeah, but that assumes the OP knows something about the 'net beyond
bitching about the free help.

Bob

--
Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas
-----
"One of the greatest delusions in the world is the hope that the evils in this world are to be cured by legislation." Thomas Reed
-----

Dec 7 '05 #17

Larry,

What happened to flaunting "Microsoft Access MVP" after your name?

Steve

"Larry Linson" <bo*****@localhost.not> wrote in message
news:PYslf.11962$SY.5668@trnddc06...

Thank you for sharing your views. I am sure that all the participants here
will give them due consideration.

Larry Linson

Dec 8 '05 #18

Keith W

"PC Datasheet" <no****@nospam.spam> wrote in message
news:0B****************@newsread3.news.atl.earthli nk.net...

Larry,

What happened to flaunting "Microsoft Access MVP" after your name?

Steve

Are you finally following the rules now that some of your "class acts" have
ended their silence and come out against you?

Dec 8 '05 #19

No!

Sorry, but you have got it all wrong!

Fist of all, sendmail is NOT for the fainthearted. Setting it up is quite involved and highly technical. Many who come on here genuinely need help and are frequently met with condescending comments abount their ability or about ettiquette. Many are not new to newsgroups and do not desire to be treated like they were born yesterday. Many need help and some degree of symapthy with the convoluted documentation and some support with understanding the product.

I have even been turned away asking for paid for support!

The sooner you start treating those who require your help with understanding and some respect the better.

Dec 12 '05 #20

"Well, yeah, but that assumes the OP knows something about the 'net beyond
bitching about the free help."

Only an arrogant person would make that assumption. If you don't want to offer help, don't bother. No one asked you too.

I can't even get paid for support for sendmail!

Dec 12 '05 #21

"Fuck you! No one here is being paid to answer your questions."

Being paid NOT the point. Having manners and being civil to those who ask for assitance is. I have been prepeared to get paid for assistance on a recent occasion but it was not forthcomming. I've spend days in frustration which could have been better and more productively spent working through the issue with someone if they were willing. Instead I got condescending comments and downright rudeness to my questions. As a result, I am now considering getting rid of the sendmail product and replacing it with something that is better supported, commerically or otherwise.

"My finding is that greater than 99% of the questions posted on Usenet (and
indeed, most WWW forums) are answered correctly, quickly, civilly,
politely, etc. If you didn't like the response you got then piss off."

Clearly those statitics are NOT based on this topic. Your own comments here leave a lot to be desired and speak for themselves.

Dec 12 '05 #22

To the contrary, I thing the OP has a valid point and is clearly frustrated by his experience on this this topic - unfortunately I share his frustration having spend 5 agonsiing days trying to get SASL and SMTP auth to work, and getting little help. My thanks go to Claus Assman for pointing me in the right direction, but I am overall gobsmacked by vitriolic comments of some posters on this list.

Dec 12 '05 #23

1) Newsgroups have rules. Those rules in general are agreed upon by the
participants; if a poster follows the rules then they shouldn't have any
problems.
OK, so what are the rules for this list?
2) Responders spend their own time replying to posters, if the responder
wants to spend that time giving a full and complete answer or referncing a
webpage, previous thread or whatever then that is entirely up to them.
Agreed.
3) If you as an individual don't like a particular responders responses then
ignore them, or as an extreme killfile them.
Again agreed. But that's no excuse for rude, condescending and patronising comments.
4) It's a general truism in life that you get what you pay for, if your
lucky, with NGs you pay nothing for a massive resource of experience if you
don't like what you get then essentially hard luck, you can then fall back
on the resoure of working it out for yourself and doing your own research.
Very true, but making the assumption that the person asking the question is as knowlegeable as you and unwilling to spend time researching the issue. Usually they are not as experienced as some of you, and have often spent considerable time reasearching the issue and come to a dead end.
In summary your posting is the most selfish, self-serving plea I have ever
seen and displays a staggeringly woeful lack of perception as to what
newsgroups are about. If you don't like it here then don't come. If you
think ther is a better way to answer OPs then do it, but don't stand there
with your hand out for favours and then complain because you don't get
exactly what you want.

Had it been any other newsgroup I would provbably agree, but NOT this one. The author Op has a valid point. Your comment assumes that just becasue we are new to this particular newsgroup, we have no knowledge of newgropups in general. I've been using them for more than 20 years now and have never come across one with such a poor community sprrit as this one.

I don't expect hand outs, and neither I suspect does the OP. I just hope someone has the common courtesy to answer my question respectfully without complaining that I am a newbie (even though I'm not).

Dec 12 '05 #24

And I thought they only surface on eBay...

Dec 12 '05 #25

grenoble

"John Chajecki" <jc***@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:1Y********************@pipex.net

1) Newsgroups have rules. Those rules in general are agreed upon by
the participants; if a poster follows the rules then they shouldn't have
any problems.

OK, so what are the rules for this list?

This isn't a "list", it's Usenet. One of the rules is to not cross-post to
multiple newsgroups off-topic threads, so join the killfile. <*plonk*>

Dec 12 '05 #26

Nico Kadel-Garcia

"John Chajecki" <jc***@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:k7********************@pipex.net...

"Well, yeah, but that assumes the OP knows something about the 'net beyond
bitching about the free help."

Only an arrogant person would make that assumption. If you don't want to
offer help, don't bother. No one asked you too.

I can't even get paid for support for sendmail!

You could ask *me*. Sendmail has gotten a lot easier, with the development
of the m4 macros used to configure it these days and a lot of much saner
configuration options there.

Dec 13 '05 #27

My comments were to do with comp.databases.ms-access.

The evils of cross-posting highlighted again.

--
Terry Kreft

"John Chajecki" <jc***@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:1Y********************@pipex.net...

1) Newsgroups have rules. Those rules in general are agreed upon by the
participants; if a poster follows the rules then they shouldn't have any
problems.
OK, so what are the rules for this list?

<SNIP>

Dec 13 '05 #28

Robert Melson

In article <k7********************@pipex.net>,
"John Chajecki" <jc***@dsl.pipex.com> writes:

"Well, yeah, but that assumes the OP knows something about the 'net beyond
bitching about the free help."

Only an arrogant person would make that assumption. If you don't want to offer help, don't bother. No one asked you too.

I can't even get paid for support for sendmail!

And you're making an arrogant assumption, as well.

So, let's back up for a minute and review the play. OP is obviously frustrated
at something that's occurred on one of the cross-posted newsgroups - what, I
have absolutely no idea. What is evident from his posts, however, is that he
expects folks here and on the other groups to rush to his assistance, with
complete cites of documentation and letter perfect explanations of the solution
to whatever his problem is. Things don't work that way. Often times, the
best help is for the responder to make reference to the FAQ or documentation
appropriate to the problem's solution. Other times, the problem is so poorly
described that a person wishing to help must ask for details and information
that the help-seeker has failed to provide, often over the course of several
iterations and usually in greater and greater depth and detail. Except in the
very rarest of instances, the person seeking help in resolving a problem is
expected to work and learn for himself - with assistance- rather than being
handed the solution on a silver platter.

In the present case, many of those responding to the OP's polemic have -
politely, in my opinion - pointed these things out, as well as discussing the
general rules of netiquette, all of which the OP has ignored or dismissed as
not meeting _his_ criteria. I can understand that the OP is frustrated by
whatever his problem is, but it won't be solved by standing in the middle of
the room screaming at the folks who are most likely to be able to help him. By
behaving like a petulant 3-year-old and demanding that his problem be solved
for him according to his sense of "the right way to do things", he's more likely
to become a pariah on these groups than he is to receive help. He has no right
to demand that I or anyone provide help or that that help take a particular
form. Nor has the the right to demand that a group's FAQ or rules of behavior
be changed to reflect his view of what's right and proper - the FAQ is just
that, a collection of Frequently Asked Questions, while the rules of behavior
are a matter of consensus among the denizens of a particular group, arrived at
over a period of time.

Bob Melson

--
Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas
-----
"One of the greatest delusions in the world is the hope that the evils in this world are to be cured by legislation." Thomas Reed
-----

Dec 13 '05 #29

Bri

John Chajecki wrote:

1) Newsgroups have rules. Those rules in general are agreed upon
by the participants; if a poster follows the rules then they
shouldn't have any problems.

OK, so what are the rules for this list?

In the case of CDMA: http://www.mvps.org/access/netiquette.htm

3) If you as an individual don't like a particular responders
responses then ignore them, or as an extreme killfile them.

Again agreed. But that's no excuse for rude, condescending and
patronising comments.

The OP sends out a rude, condescending and patronizing post exclaiming
the need for polite posts. Ironic isn't it. If he had posted his
position in a calm polite way, he would likely not have been treated as
rudely in return.
Had it been any other newsgroup I would provbably agree, but NOT this
one. The author Op has a valid point. Your comment assumes that just
becasue we are new to this particular newsgroup, we have no knowledge
of newgropups in general. I've been using them for more than 20 years
now and have never come across one with such a poor community sprrit
as this one.

Since this thread has been crossposted to three different newsgroups,
you might want to identify which group YOU are referring to. Out of
these three, I only read and post to CDMA and other than a very few
spoiled brats find that this is a very good place to ask questions. The
regulars are extremely tolerant of newbies and the repeat questions.
Does this mean they are never subjected to a rude post? No, but it is a
fairly rare thing.

--
Bri

Dec 13 '05 #30

Walter Mitty

In an earlier post, Terry Kreft postulated:

1) Newsgroups have rules. Those rules in general are agreed upon by the
participants; if a poster follows the rules then they shouldn't have any
problems.

2) Responders spend their own time replying to posters, if the responder
wants to spend that time giving a full and complete answer or referncing a
webpage, previous thread or whatever then that is entirely up to them.

3) If you as an individual don't like a particular responders responses then
ignore them, or as an extreme killfile them.

4) It's a general truism in life that you get what you pay for, if your
lucky, with NGs you pay nothing for a massive resource of experience if you
don't like what you get then essentially hard luck, you can then fall back
on the resoure of working it out for yourself and doing your own research.
In summary your posting is the most selfish, self-serving plea I have ever
seen and displays a staggeringly woeful lack of perception as to what
newsgroups are about. If you don't like it here then don't come. If you

I think you're the kind of arrogant person whom the OP was referring
to. The only thing he requested was civility and forebearance : hardly
too much to ask I would have thought.

think ther is a better way to answer OPs then do it, but don't stand there
with your hand out for favours and then complain because you don't get
exactly what you want.

He didn't : he asked for tolerance from the myriad of knowalls and
net nannies who haunt the NGs to those who know less than them.

--

Dec 13 '05 #31

Walter Mitty

In an earlier post, Terry Kreft postulated:

My comments were to do with comp.databases.ms-access.

The evils of cross-posting highlighted again.

Please don't top post.

Dec 13 '05 #32

Posting from CDMA

Please don't tell me how to post.

--
Terry Kreft

"Walter Mitty" <mi******@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:sl*********************@localhost.localdomain ...

In an earlier post, Terry Kreft postulated:
My comments were to do with comp.databases.ms-access.

The evils of cross-posting highlighted again.

Please don't top post.

Dec 13 '05 #33

Posting from CDMA

You evidently haven't bothered to read the OP properly.
--
Terry Kreft
"Walter Mitty" <mi******@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:sl*********************@localhost.localdomain ...

In an earlier post, Terry Kreft postulated:
<SNIP In summary your posting is the most selfish, self-serving plea I have
ever
seen and displays a staggeringly woeful lack of perception as to what
newsgroups are about. If you don't like it here then don't come.

If you

I think you're the kind of arrogant person whom the OP was referring
to. The only thing he requested was civility and forebearance : hardly
too much to ask I would have thought.

think ther is a better way to answer OPs then do it, but don't stand
there
with your hand out for favours and then complain because you don't get
exactly what you want.

He didn't : he asked for tolerance from the myriad of knowalls and
net nannies who haunt the NGs to those who know less than them.

--

Dec 13 '05 #34

Chuck F.

Terry Kreft wrote:

Posting from CDMA

You evidently haven't bothered to read the OP properly.

Please don't top-post. Please don't cross-post. Fups set.

--
Read about the Sony stealthware that is a security leak, phones
home, and is generally illegal in most parts of the world. Also
the apparent connivance of the various security software firms.
http://www.schneier.com/blog/archive...drm_rootk.html

Dec 13 '05 #35

alexl

amen bro

sa****@gmail.com wrote:

Sometimes I can answer in 2 minutes a question that takes someone else
20 hours to research. I personally believe me giving 2 minutes is more
reasonable. If you don't agree, MOVE ON! You don't have to spend that 2
minutes telling them that you are an expert but you don't feel like
answering their question because they haven't done the due-deligence.

Dec 14 '05 #36

Darryl Kerkeslager

"Baho Utot" <on*******@pbyhzohf.ee.pbz> wrote

PLONK

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot! I've personally blocked Steve,
Arno, and several other irritants - but what kind of a silly statement does
it make to block Terry Kreft? A few more injudiciously aimed plonks like
that and reading the NG will be nothing but questions with no answers.

--
Darryl Kerkeslager

Dec 14 '05 #37

Again, for the choir, please don't tell me how to post.

You obviously know little or nothing about netiquette, I'm guessing you're
not posting from a civilised group, possibly one that started the OP on his
original little diatribe.
--
Terry Kreft

"Chuck F. " <cb********@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:hL********************@maineline.net...

Terry Kreft wrote:
Posting from CDMA

You evidently haven't bothered to read the OP properly.

Please don't top-post. Please don't cross-post. Fups set.

--
Read about the Sony stealthware that is a security leak, phones
home, and is generally illegal in most parts of the world. Also
the apparent connivance of the various security software firms.
http://www.schneier.com/blog/archive...drm_rootk.html

Dec 14 '05 #38

One of the big reasons people from the newsgroups come to me for help is
that they are disgusted with the condescending comments and downright
rudeness in the responses to their posts for help.
--
PC Datasheet
Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications
Over 1050 users have come from the newsgroups trusting me and requesting
help.
re******@pcdatasheet.com

<sa****@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:11*********************@g49g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...

I hate people who post messages to complain about others posting to
multiple newsgroups, or condescendingly point to the documents in
answer to a question, or sarcastically hint at the triviality of a
posted question or suggestion.

I would like to see the FAQ for each newsgroup updated to teach
regulars on a newsgroup how to be inviting and helpful to newcomers.
After all, every community wants to be prospering, and thriving, and
noone wants the online community of each news-group to be damaged
because of a few regulars who in spite being good at what they do, have
no business being in public relations.

Here's a few suggestions that I am going to scream out (note all upper
case) hoping that it will be heard:

-IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING PRODUCTIVE TO SAY, KEEP QUIET.
-YOUR OPINION OF WHAT IS APPROPRIATE IS HIGHLY SUBJECTIVE.
-GET IT IN YOUR ALL-KNOWING HEAD THAT IF A QUESTION OR SUGGESTION SEEMS
TOO TRIVIAL, YOU MAY HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD IT TO BEGIN WITH.
-IF A QUESTION IS IN FACT TOO TRIVIAL, GIVE OTHERS THE FREEDOM TO BE
LESS SMART OR LESS RESOURCEFUL THAN YOU.
-UNDERSTAND THAT NOT EVERYBODY WHO IS ASKING A QUESTION WANTS TO BE AN
EXPERT IN THE TOPIC. SOMETIMES PEOPLE JUST NEED QUICK HELP IN ORDER TO
GET GOING WITH THEIR WORK. IF YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO HELP, IGNORE IT.
-ALLOW TOPICS TO RESURFACE. STOP SAYING THAT A TOPIC HAS ALREADY BEEN
DISCUSSED. NEW DISCUSSION THREADS OF OLD TOPICS BRING ABOUT SOLUTIONS
PREVIOUSLY MISSED, OR NEWLY CREATED.
-STOP THINKING THAT IF SOMEONE DOESN'T KNOW ENGLISH, THEY ARE STUPID.
MAJORITY OF PEOPLE IN THE WORLD DON'T SPEAK THE LANGUAGE. DON'T BE
CONDESCENDING TO PEOPLE WHOSE WRITINGS ARE NOT PERFECT OR MAKE SPELLING
MISTAKES.

Please post this message or any modification of it that you seem
appropriate to any news-group that suffers from these same sort of
people.

Dec 14 '05 #39

Thelma Lubkin

In comp.databases.ms-access PC Datasheet <no****@nospam.spam> wrote:
: One of the big reasons people from the newsgroups come to me for help is
: that they are disgusted with the condescending comments and downright
: rudeness in the responses to their posts for help.

You must be talking about groups other than CDMA.
--thelma
: --
: PC Datasheet

Dec 14 '05 #40

Keith W

"PC Datasheet" <no****@nospam.spam> wrote in message
news:tZ*****************@newsread3.news.atl.earthl ink.net...

One of the big reasons people from the newsgroups come to me for help is
that they are disgusted with the condescending comments and downright
rudeness in the responses to their posts for help.

Care to cite some examples and name the people in question? Thought not.

Dec 14 '05 #41

Not at all ---

Here's a response out of this thread -
<<Fuck you! No one here is being paid to answer your questions>> (Sorry
about the language)

Here's a response from another thread in cdma when a poster asked how to
update a backend when changes are made to a database -
<<sounds like you are confusing your back end with your front end... be
very careful in the bathroom>>

And here's a response to a poster in yet another thread in cdma-
<<READ THE FUCKING HELP FILE.>> (Again excuse the language)

Would you continue to post to the newsgroup if you got very many responses
like this?

This is one of the reasons many people are coming to me for help!!
--
PC Datasheet
Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications
Over 1050 users have come from the newsgroups trusting me and requesting
help.
re******@pcdatasheet.com

"Thelma Lubkin" <th****@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
news:dn**********@uwm.edu...

In comp.databases.ms-access PC Datasheet <no****@nospam.spam> wrote:
: One of the big reasons people from the newsgroups come to me for help is
: that they are disgusted with the condescending comments and downright
: rudeness in the responses to their posts for help.

You must be talking about groups other than CDMA.
--thelma
: --
: PC Datasheet

Dec 14 '05 #42

Keith W

"PC Datasheet" <no****@nospam.spam> wrote in message
news:u5****************@newsread1.news.atl.earthli nk.net...

Not at all ---

Here's a response out of this thread -
<<Fuck you! No one here is being paid to answer your questions>> (Sorry
about the language)
This was a response to a non-technical flame-bait question.

Here's a response from another thread in cdma when a poster asked how to
update a backend when changes are made to a database -
<<sounds like you are confusing your back end with your front end... be
very careful in the bathroom>>
Hmm ... anyone with a glimmer of a sense of humour would have taken that for
what it was - a joke.

And here's a response to a poster in yet another thread in cdma-
<<READ THE FUCKING HELP FILE.>> (Again excuse the language)

And the poster's name? Not a regular on here.

Dec 14 '05 #43

Tim Marshall

PC Datasheet wrote:

Not at all ---

Here's a response out of this thread -

<snip>

First, of all, in my response to this sub thread, I've trimmed the
newsgroups to just cdma, because Steve is addressing a very specific
cdma issue, ie, the flack he's received for what some perceive as
crossing the line in advertising.

Steve, at least two of the three examples you gave came from people who
have either defended your actions on cdma and/or are people you
specifically quote to defend yourself.

I'd like to make a counter-point as inoffensively as I can at this point.

I agree with the premise of the point you're making, even if some of
those you call "goons" might qualify it as self-serving. It is rather,
actually, given the context and your beleaguered state as of late.

Indeed, I've had many people contact ME via email (which is bogus here
and munged on my web site) in areas of my own expertise (primarily
Access as a front end to Oracle) based on my own postings here and in
other forums. Now, my sig has to do with quoting favourite things my
pet quaker and grey parrots like to say (in fact, Ditto, the grey,
lately enjoys reacting to a telephone held close to him by grasping the
receiver with his claw and saying clearly "Hello?") and the web site URL
is to do with adults playing with toy soldiers and model ships.

Now, given the purpose (or non-purpose) of my sig, I'm sure my traffic,
if I wanted to solicit it from the newsgroups, would increase with a
tweak of my sig. Perhaps I could include a web site that had to do with
Oracle/Access activity and I'm sure I could include a brief statement if
the web address didn't convey my business that people FOUND INOFFENSIVE
WITH RESPECT TO THE GROUP'S CHARTER. Like, for example (feel free to
use this, I won't accuse you or anyone of plagiarism):

The Access "Oracle" http://AccessOracleFrontEndConsulting.ca
Hints, Tips, Cheerful and Polite Personal Help

OK, maybe lame, but you could have your flogging of x users have
contacted me, etc on the web page.

However, even in some other forums, I would be flayed alive if I let
loose with a sig like that. It's relatively tame here.
--
Tim http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~tmarshal/
^o<
/#) "Burp-beep, burp-beep, burp-beep?" - Quaker Jake
/^^ "Whatcha doin?" - Ditto "TIM-MAY!!" - Me

Dec 14 '05 #44

Peter KÃ¶hlmann

begin virus.txt.scr Terry Kreft wrote:

Posting from CDMA

Please don't tell me how to post.

Good. Get lost, OE using top-posting cretin
--
Warning: You have moved the mouse.
Windows will reboot now to make the change permanent

Dec 14 '05 #45

See the post you responded to an hour later!

You're one of the losers Salad referred to!!!!
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PC Datasheet
Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications
Over 1050 users have come from the newsgroups trusting me and requesting
help.
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"Keith W" <he**@there.com> wrote in message
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"PC Datasheet" <no****@nospam.spam> wrote in message
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One of the big reasons people from the newsgroups come to me for help is
that they are disgusted with the condescending comments and downright
rudeness in the responses to their posts for help.

Care to cite some examples and name the people in question? Thought not.

Dec 14 '05 #46

"Keith W" <he**@there.com> wrote in message
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"PC Datasheet" <no****@nospam.spam> wrote in message
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Not at all ---

Here's a response out of this thread -
<<Fuck you! No one here is being paid to answer your questions>> (Sorry
about the language)
This was a response to a non-technical flame-bait question.

It was a direct response to Sasan the original oster!!!

Here's a response from another thread in cdma when a poster asked how to
update a backend when changes are made to a database -
<<sounds like you are confusing your back end with your front end... be
very careful in the bathroom>>
Hmm ... anyone with a glimmer of a sense of humour would have taken that
for what it was - a joke.

Only a joke to a loser like you!! The poster who got this response and
others did not think it was a bit funny!

And here's a response to a poster in yet another thread in cdma-
<<READ THE FUCKING HELP FILE.>> (Again excuse the language)
And the poster's name? Not a regular on here.

The poster frequently asks good technical questions and the responder is a
very well recognized name (and it's not XMP or any of his other aliases).

Dec 14 '05 #47