A message to Self-Appointed-NewsGroup-Netiquette-Enforcers... PLEASE LEAVE US ALONE!

[sasan3]

I hate people who post messages to complain about others posting to
multiple newsgroups, or condescendingly point to the documents in
answer to a question, or sarcastically hint at the triviality of a
posted question or suggestion.

I would like to see the FAQ for each newsgroup updated to teach
regulars on a newsgroup how to be inviting and helpful to newcomers.
After all, every community wants to be prospering, and thriving, and
noone wants the online community of each news-group to be damaged
because of a few regulars who in spite being good at what they do, have
no business being in public relations.

Here's a few suggestions that I am going to scream out (note all upper
case) hoping that it will be heard:

-IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING PRODUCTIVE TO SAY, KEEP QUIET.
-YOUR OPINION OF WHAT IS APPROPRIATE IS HIGHLY SUBJECTIVE.
-GET IT IN YOUR ALL-KNOWING HEAD THAT IF A QUESTION OR SUGGESTION SEEMS
TOO TRIVIAL, YOU MAY HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD IT TO BEGIN WITH.
-IF A QUESTION IS IN FACT TOO TRIVIAL, GIVE OTHERS THE FREEDOM TO BE
LESS SMART OR LESS RESOURCEFUL THAN YOU.
-UNDERSTAND THAT NOT EVERYBODY WHO IS ASKING A QUESTION WANTS TO BE AN
EXPERT IN THE TOPIC. SOMETIMES PEOPLE JUST NEED QUICK HELP IN ORDER TO
GET GOING WITH THEIR WORK. IF YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO HELP, IGNORE IT.
-ALLOW TOPICS TO RESURFACE. STOP SAYING THAT A TOPIC HAS ALREADY BEEN
DISCUSSED. NEW DISCUSSION THREADS OF OLD TOPICS BRING ABOUT SOLUTIONS
PREVIOUSLY MISSED, OR NEWLY CREATED.
-STOP THINKING THAT IF SOMEONE DOESN'T KNOW ENGLISH, THEY ARE STUPID.
MAJORITY OF PEOPLE IN THE WORLD DON'T SPEAK THE LANGUAGE. DON'T BE
CONDESCENDING TO PEOPLE WHOSE WRITINGS ARE NOT PERFECT OR MAKE SPELLING
MISTAKES.

Please post this message or any modification of it that you seem
appropriate to any news-group that suffers from these same sort of
people.

[Keith W]

"PC Datasheet" <no****@nospam.spam> wrote in message
news:mc*****************@newsread3.news.atl.earthl ink.net...

See the post you responded to an hour later!

You're one of the losers Salad referred to!!!!

Can you define 'loser' in this context? Can't you fight your own battles
without hiding behind your only ally? Why aren't your "1000's" of clients
from this group defending you?

[Danny J. Lesandrini]

I think I once dated Claire Voyant in my youth. She was enchanting.
--

"Keith W" <he**@there.com> wrote ...

How do you know what others find funny, are you Claire Voyant?

[Wayne Gillespie]

On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 06:51:11 -0700, "Danny J. Lesandrini" <dl*********@hotmail.com> wrote:

I think I once dated Claire Voyant in my youth. She was enchanting.

I dated her for a while but we broke up because she couldn't see any future in it.
Wayne Gillespie
Gosford NSW Australia

[Terry Kreft]

Yes, I went out with her once as well, but she couldn't see any future in
the relationship ...

(drum roll, cymbal clash)

--
Terry Kreft

"Danny J. Lesandrini" <dl*********@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:iM********************@giganews.com...

I think I once dated Claire Voyant in my youth. She was enchanting.
--

"Keith W" <he**@there.com> wrote ...

How do you know what others find funny, are you Claire Voyant?

[Keith W]

"Wayne Gillespie" <be*****@NOhotmailSPAM.com.au> wrote in message
news:bk********************************@4ax.com...

On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 06:51:11 -0700, "Danny J. Lesandrini"
<dl*********@hotmail.com> wrote:

I think I once dated Claire Voyant in my youth. She was enchanting.

I dated her for a while but we broke up because she couldn't see any
future in it.

You see you've jumped the gun there, PCD hasn't given the green light on
whether or not that was funny. Only he and he alone knows. The emphasis
being on "alone".

[Tim Marshall]

PC Datasheet wrote:

What are the names of the people you think made these responses and you are
saying have defended me?

Steve, go back and look at the authors of the posts you've quoted. One
admonishes everyone for taking you to task, the other is one you quote
in your standard response to "their" standard response and one you quite
recently quoted to me when you were frustrated after someone chased
after you whe you gave a (appreciated) answer to one of my recent
questions. I'm not going to get dragged into this any further than
that, but if you do as I suggest above, you'll see who you've quoted and
hopefully see what my point is.

While I agree strongly with the general reasoning behind the hounding
you've been receiving, I don't like some of the way it's manifesting
itself - there are better ways to do things. As a result of what you're
up against, I think you're, understandably, behaving like a cornered
anaimal, snapping at foe and friend - ie, the two people you quoted in
this thread as examples of why you think cdma is such a ba place.

And FWIW, in my opinion, apart from Don Mellon's largely ignored
yammerings here, cdma is, in my opinion, one of the more civil and
helpful usenet groups out there. The sour ducklings this sasan person
has exposed us to by uselessly crossposting are pretty much par for the
course in a lot of usent groups.
--
Tim http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~tmarshal/
^o<
/#) "Burp-beep, burp-beep, burp-beep?" - Quaker Jake
/^^ "Whatcha doin?" - Ditto "TIM-MAY!!" - Me

[Terry Kreft]

Synchronicity or predictability, I know which one my moneys on <g>.

--
Terry Kreft

"Wayne Gillespie" <be*****@NOhotmailSPAM.com.au> wrote in message
news:bk********************************@4ax.com...

On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 06:51:11 -0700, "Danny J. Lesandrini"
<dl*********@hotmail.com> wrote:

I think I once dated Claire Voyant in my youth. She was enchanting.

I dated her for a while but we broke up because she couldn't see any
future in it.
Wayne Gillespie
Gosford NSW Australia

[John Nemeth]

Robert Melson (me*****@aragorn.rgmhome.net) wrote:
: In article <11**********************@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups .com>,
: "sa****@gmail.com" <sa****@gmail.com> writes:
: >
: > Also, you are not the representative of "WE" and nobody in "WE" has
: > asked you to take it upon yourself to defend the time others take to
: > "help others."

: And you, m'friend, have not been appointed spokesman for the other side.

: You might want to keep in mind the aphorism, "give a man a fish and he will eat
: for a day; teach him to fish and he will eat for a lifetime". That very much
: applies to these technical groups, as well. Most people who claim - and
: demonstrate - any expertise in, e.g., sendmail, have spent time in the trenches,
: learning by doing, reading the FAQs, man pages and other documentation. Yes,
: they might be able to solve your problem in a couple of minutes, but where's
: the value to you in that, if you learn nothing as a result?

Actually, they learn that they can get somebody else to do their
job for them for free.

: Having said that, I will leave you with the sound of your name going into my
: killfile ..

: <plonk!>

I second the sentiment.

[Danny J. Lesandrini]

--

Danny J. Lesandrini
dl*********@hotmail.com
http://amazecreations.com/datafast
"John Nemeth" <jn*****@vtn1.victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message news:43********@news.victoria.tc.ca...

Robert Melson (me*****@aragorn.rgmhome.net) wrote:
: In article <11**********************@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups .com>,
: "sa****@gmail.com" <sa****@gmail.com> writes:
: >
: > Also, you are not the representative of "WE" and nobody in "WE" has
: > asked you to take it upon yourself to defend the time others take to
: > "help others."

: And you, m'friend, have not been appointed spokesman for the other side.

: You might want to keep in mind the aphorism, "give a man a fish and he will eat
: for a day; teach him to fish and he will eat for a lifetime".
I can't resist offering, once again, my favorite aphorism ...
Actually, they learn that they can get somebody else to do their
job for them for free.

: Having said that, I will leave you with the sound of your name going into my
: killfile ..

: <plonk!>

I second the sentiment.

[Danny J. Lesandrini]

Ooops, that got away from me. Sorry for the post that got away. Here's what I
had intended to say ...

You might want to keep in mind the aphorism, "give a man a fish and he will eat
for a day; teach him to fish and he will eat for a lifetime".

I can't resist offering, once again, my favorite aphorism ...

Give a man a fire, and he keeps warm for a day
Set a man on fire, and he's warm for the rest of his life.

--

Danny J. Lesandrini
dl*********@hotmail.com
http://amazecreations.com/datafast

[Lyle Fairfield]

Give a man a redhead and all of the above.