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I've recently joined several others in attempt to discourage Steve Santos
from advertising his PC Datasheet business on CDMA. Among the hundreds of
professional consultants who contribute to CDMA, Steve is the only one that
persistently violates the charter prohibition on advertising. I think
ignoring Steve's actions threatens the survival and continued success of
CDMA.

Despite his advertising, foul language and name calling, if a significant
percentage of the CDMA regulars would prefer that I stop, I will.

What do you think?

Randy Harris

Nov 23 '05 #1
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One vote for you to continue.

John... Visio MVP
Nov 23 '05 #2

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As an uninvolved lurker who works with Access on and off I would say
keep up the good fight. I am disgusted with the behavior of Steve. His
language, his personal attacks, his despicable childish actions are a
blight on us all. I can't imagine anyone doing business with someone
like that.

So keep up the good work - maybe he'll get the message or just leave.

JimA
Randy Harris wrote:
I've recently joined several others in attempt to discourage Steve Santos
from advertising his PC Datasheet business on CDMA. Among the hundreds of
professional consultants who contribute to CDMA, Steve is the only one that
persistently violates the charter prohibition on advertising. I think
ignoring Steve's actions threatens the survival and continued success of
CDMA.

Despite his advertising, foul language and name calling, if a significant
percentage of the CDMA regulars would prefer that I stop, I will.

What do you think?

Randy Harris


Nov 23 '05 #3

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"John Marshall, MVP" <la******@stonehenge.ca> wrote in message
news:oO********************@magma.ca...
One vote for you to continue.


Is there any point? He clearly intends to continue and I fear that attempts
on here to persuade him otherwise will be futile and merely fan the flames.
You can't teach someone intelligence and I think that the only way he will
be stopped is with help from his ISP. How likely is that? Not very IMO.

I think that we will just have to hope that all other ng users do not follow
his lead and instead continue to respect the charter (and other users) and
not fill it with spam. At the end of the day, if someone wants to hire a
developer they're hardly going to come here regardless of what he may claim.

Oh and there's just a little suspicion I have that the whole thing is a huge
troll and that we've all been "had" :o) On the other hand I have an image
of a fat bearded bloke saying things to himself like "I will return to my
comic book store where I dispense the insults rather than absorb them".

Keith.
Nov 23 '05 #4

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Randy Harris wrote:
I've recently joined several others in attempt to discourage Steve
Santos from advertising his PC Datasheet business on CDMA. Among the
hundreds of professional consultants who contribute to CDMA, Steve is
the only one that persistently violates the charter prohibition on
advertising. I think ignoring Steve's actions threatens the survival
and continued success of CDMA.

Despite his advertising, foul language and name calling, if a
significant percentage of the CDMA regulars would prefer that I stop,
I will.

What do you think?

Randy Harris


My vote would be for you to simply post a short, simple, non-inflammatory
message in response to any such post that crosses the "thou shall not advertise"
line and then leave it at that. This message could include a link to a page
that describes the history and nature of your cause. It's purpose should be to
inform the OP, not to berate the advertiser.

NO reponse from Steve following such a post should be responded to. It is the
fact that each and every one of these posts devolves into shouting match threads
that I find distasteful. Make the post and then drop it.

Actually a page that highlighted some of the questions that Steve has *asked*
over the years should be enough to deter anyone from paying for his services.

--
I don't check the Email account attached
to this message. Send instead to...
RBrandt at Hunter dot com
Nov 23 '05 #5

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I do not believe we will be able to convince him to stop, but we should be
able to convince others not to follow in his footsteps.

He is the poster child for bad newsgroup behaviour.

John... Visio MVP
Nov 23 '05 #6

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"Randy Harris" <ra***@SpamFree.com> wrote in message
news:Re***************@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com. ..
I've recently joined several others in attempt to discourage Steve Santos
from advertising his PC Datasheet business on CDMA. Among the hundreds of
professional consultants who contribute to CDMA, Steve is the only one that persistently violates the charter prohibition on advertising. I think
ignoring Steve's actions threatens the survival and continued success of
CDMA.

Despite his advertising, foul language and name calling, if a significant
percentage of the CDMA regulars would prefer that I stop, I will.

What do you think?

Randy Harris


Incidentally, my objective is not to drive Steve out of CDMA, simply to get
him to stop advertising.
Nov 23 '05 #7

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"John Marshall, MVP" <la******@stonehenge.ca> wrote in message
news:zP******************************@magma.ca...
I do not believe we will be able to convince him to stop, but we should be
able to convince others not to follow in his footsteps.


In that case I think Rick's suggestion is worth a try.
Nov 23 '05 #8

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rkc
Keith W wrote:
In that case I think Rick's suggestion is worth a try.


Indeed.

pc datasheet is a boil on the ass of cdma, but the back and forth
banter is making everyone involved look ridiculous.

Nov 23 '05 #9

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As a newbie to this particular newsgroup but a veteran of others, I'd
like to point out that this newsgroup has much less spam and
advertising than many others. You've done a remarkable job of keeping
the discussions about Access. That said, I think Rick's idea is a good
one. If implemented, it will kind of mark all of pc datasheet's posts.
It could even become a search marker (i.e. "Do you want to see all the
posts by the guy behind pc datasheet? Search for this particular phrase
from Keith's responses").

To be more explicit, my vote is to continue the effort. A desperate
office worker who has bosses breathing down his neck even though he
doesn't know much about Access could potentially go for pc datasheet's
line and end up with problems.

Nov 23 '05 #10

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"Randy Harris" <ra***@SpamFree.com> schreef in bericht news:Re***************@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com. ..
I've recently joined several others in attempt to discourage Steve Santos
from advertising his PC Datasheet business on CDMA. Among the hundreds of
professional consultants who contribute to CDMA, Steve is the only one that
persistently violates the charter prohibition on advertising. I think
ignoring Steve's actions threatens the survival and continued success of
CDMA.

I am 100% with you. I also vote for you to continue, and I am glad you joined us.
What kind of group would this group be if we would let Steve go on with his blatant advertising?
Despite his advertising, foul language and name calling, if a significant
percentage of the CDMA regulars would prefer that I stop, I will.
Again 100% with you Randy.
I am very anxious to hear the opinion of more regulars about this.
************************************************
A lot of them stay 'outside' the discussion for whatever reason.
IMO this is a perfect time to speak up!
What do you think?


I am still very confident that *we* can succeed in stopping Steve.
-- We can *not* beat a person like DPM. DPM is able to hide.
-- We *can* stop the job hunting / advertising PC DataSheet.
PCD needs his name, he can't hide his advertising.

Arno R
Nov 23 '05 #11

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"Keith W" <he**@there.com> schreef in bericht news:43**********@glkas0286.greenlnk.net...
Is there any point? He clearly intends to continue and I fear that attempts
on here to persuade him otherwise will be futile and merely fan the flames.
Of course there is a point in continuing. This group is lost if we don't.
There is no point in kill-filing him IMO. We need you (and others!) Keith.
Oh and there's just a little suspicion I have that the whole thing is a huge
troll and that we've all been "had" :o)


If you are suspicious about me Keith, just ask me what you want to know.

Arno R

Nov 23 '05 #12

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Why don't you take Salad's advise and grow up and get a life and quit
sending emails to my office.

"If you have anything to contribute to the group, contribute. Your war
with Datasheet is simply pissing and moaning in the wind for the sake of
nothing. Grow up and get a life."

Salad

--
PC Datasheet
Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications
re******@pcdatasheet.com
www.pcdatasheet.com

If you can't get the help you need in the newsgroup, I can help you for a
very reasonable fee. Over 1000 Access users have come to me for help.
Need a month calendar or 7 day calendar? Need appointment scheduling? Need
room reservations scheduling? Need employee work scheduling? Contact me!


"Arno R" <ar***********@tiscali.nl> wrote in message
news:43********************@dreader2.news.tiscali. nl...

"Randy Harris" <ra***@SpamFree.com> schreef in bericht
news:Re***************@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com. ..
I've recently joined several others in attempt to discourage Steve Santos
from advertising his PC Datasheet business on CDMA. Among the hundreds of
professional consultants who contribute to CDMA, Steve is the only one
that
persistently violates the charter prohibition on advertising. I think
ignoring Steve's actions threatens the survival and continued success of
CDMA.

I am 100% with you. I also vote for you to continue, and I am glad you
joined us.
What kind of group would this group be if we would let Steve go on with his
blatant advertising?
Despite his advertising, foul language and name calling, if a significant
percentage of the CDMA regulars would prefer that I stop, I will.
Again 100% with you Randy.
I am very anxious to hear the opinion of more regulars about this.
************************************************
A lot of them stay 'outside' the discussion for whatever reason.
IMO this is a perfect time to speak up!
What do you think?


I am still very confident that *we* can succeed in stopping Steve.
-- We can *not* beat a person like DPM. DPM is able to hide.
-- We *can* stop the job hunting / advertising PC DataSheet.
PCD needs his name, he can't hide his advertising.

Arno R
Nov 23 '05 #13

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"PC Datasheet" <no****@nospam.spam> wrote in message
news:b5*****************@newsread2.news.atl.earthl ink.net...
Why don't you take Salad's advise and grow up and get a life and quit
sending emails to my office.

"If you have anything to contribute to the group, contribute. Your war
with Datasheet is simply pissing and moaning in the wind for the sake of
nothing. Grow up and get a life."

Salad

--
PC Datasheet
Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications
re******@pcdatasheet.com
www.pcdatasheet.com


Steve, what do you say we put an end to this nonsense? Be reasonable. Go
back to your old simplified sig line. Let's get back to what this newsgroup
is all about, helping one another with Access issues.
Nov 23 '05 #14

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"PC Datasheet" <no****@nospam.spam> schreef in bericht news:b5*****************@newsread2.news.atl.earthl ink.net...
Why don't you take Salad's advise and grow up and get a life and quit
sending emails to my office.
I intend this to be the last time in this thread where I reply to Steve...
One get's tired of this kind of false and very mean accusations <sigh ....>.

I *did* send ONE email to Steve's office indeed ...
Look at the thread: "Checkboxes and Option Groups"
http://groups.google.com/group/comp....e809737152b925

In that thread I said to Steve:
"If you are interested contact me and I will send you a screenshot."

Steve replied:
==>> "I am interested. I would appreciate whatever you can send me".
************************************************

So I did send a screenshot to Steve's office ...
"Steve,
As promised a screenshot,
<Screenshot>
If you stop your advertising you can have the code for free."

And I also replied to Steve here in the groups with the same message:
"I just did send the screenshot to you.
As I said in the mail: If you stop your advertising you can have the code for free !"

He did *not* answer this. So my conclusion was (here in cdma):Since I don't hear from you again, I guess your are not interested in free
code or free support?


So I never have been sending email*s*. I see only ONE mail to resource@pcdatasheet in my Outbox.
As I recall I was even hesitating sending Steve the screenshot because I choked on the address ("resource..." sic!!)

Arno R
Nov 23 '05 #15

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"Rick Brandt" <ri*********@hotmail.com> wrote
My vote would be for you to simply post a short, simple, non-inflammatory
message in response to any such post that crosses the "thou shall not
advertise" line and then leave it at that. This message could include a
link to a page that describes the history and nature of your cause. It's
purpose should be to inform the OP, not to berate the advertiser.

NO reponse from Steve following such a post should be responded to. It is
the fact that each and every one of these posts devolves into shouting
match threads that I find distasteful. Make the post and then drop it.


I wholeheartedly support every word of this excellent proposal.

--
Darryl Kerkeslager
Nov 23 '05 #16

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That's the way it was until Duane Hookum and Doug Steele started harassing
my posts and encouraged Arno R to get back into the foray. Then Arno R
started tracking every one of my posts and sending emails to my office.
Dimwit John Marshall and Keith Wilby joined Arno R harassing my every post.
And lately you started harassing my posts.

I am not going to put up with all the crap from all of the above. As I have
said before I am approaching helping 1050 newsgroup posters for reasonable
fees and I will continue helping. I don't discourage anyone from seeking
help from the newsgroups and in fact I encourage people to use the
newsgroups. I AM NOT trying to "steal" users away from the newsgroups. It's
just that some users need and WANT a place to turn to for special help and
over the past four years plus I have provided them a resource to go to and I
will continue to be there for users in the future who WANT a place to turn
to.

I'm the first to want to put an end to this nonsense. So if you and all the
others mentioned in the first paragraph quit harassing me and Arno R quits
sending emails to my office, it will go back to the way it was before Arno R
started trying to boost his ego by making himself the Don Quixote of the
newsgroups. He just needs to follow Salad's advice and grow up and get a
life.

Steve
"Randy Harris" <ra***@SpamFree.com> wrote in message
news:hm***************@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com. ..

"PC Datasheet" <no****@nospam.spam> wrote in message
news:b5*****************@newsread2.news.atl.earthl ink.net...
Why don't you take Salad's advise and grow up and get a life and quit
sending emails to my office.

"If you have anything to contribute to the group, contribute. Your war
with Datasheet is simply pissing and moaning in the wind for the sake of
nothing. Grow up and get a life."

Salad

--
PC Datasheet
Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications
re******@pcdatasheet.com
www.pcdatasheet.com


Steve, what do you say we put an end to this nonsense? Be reasonable. Go
back to your old simplified sig line. Let's get back to what this
newsgroup
is all about, helping one another with Access issues.

Nov 23 '05 #17

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Why don't you take Salad's advise and grow up and get a life and quit
sending emails to my office.

"If you have anything to contribute to the group, contribute. Your war
with Datasheet is simply pissing and moaning in the wind for the sake of
nothing. Grow up and get a life."

Salad

--
PC Datasheet
Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications
re******@pcdatasheet.com
www.pcdatasheet.com

If you can't get the help you need in the newsgroup, I can help you for a
very reasonable fee. Over 1000 Access users have come to me for help.
Need a month calendar or 7 day calendar? Need appointment scheduling? Need
room reservations scheduling? Need employee work scheduling? Contact me!

"Arno R" <ar***********@tiscali.nl> wrote in message
news:43********************@dreader2.news.tiscali. nl...

"PC Datasheet" <no****@nospam.spam> schreef in bericht
news:b5*****************@newsread2.news.atl.earthl ink.net...
Why don't you take Salad's advise and grow up and get a life and quit
sending emails to my office.
I intend this to be the last time in this thread where I reply to Steve...
One get's tired of this kind of false and very mean accusations <sigh ...>.

I *did* send ONE email to Steve's office indeed ...
Look at the thread: "Checkboxes and Option Groups"
http://groups.google.com/group/comp....e809737152b925

In that thread I said to Steve:
"If you are interested contact me and I will send you a screenshot."

Steve replied:
==>> "I am interested. I would appreciate whatever you can send me".
************************************************

So I did send a screenshot to Steve's office ...
"Steve,
As promised a screenshot,
<Screenshot>
If you stop your advertising you can have the code for free."

And I also replied to Steve here in the groups with the same message:
"I just did send the screenshot to you.
As I said in the mail: If you stop your advertising you can have the code
for free !"

He did *not* answer this. So my conclusion was (here in cdma):Since I don't hear from you again, I guess your are not interested in free
code or free support?


So I never have been sending email*s*. I see only ONE mail to
resource@pcdatasheet in my Outbox.
As I recall I was even hesitating sending Steve the screenshot because I
choked on the address ("resource..." sic!!)

Arno R
Nov 23 '05 #18

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By the way, Randy,

That means a stop of all the harassment in all the newsgroups by everyone in
the first paragraph!

Steve

"PC Datasheet" <no****@nospam.spam> wrote in message
news:r4***************@newsread3.news.atl.earthlin k.net...
That's the way it was until Duane Hookum and Doug Steele started harassing
my posts and encouraged Arno R to get back into the foray. Then Arno R
started tracking every one of my posts and sending emails to my office.
Dimwit John Marshall and Keith Wilby joined Arno R harassing my every
post. And lately you started harassing my posts.

I am not going to put up with all the crap from all of the above. As I
have said before I am approaching helping 1050 newsgroup posters for
reasonable fees and I will continue helping. I don't discourage anyone
from seeking help from the newsgroups and in fact I encourage people to
use the newsgroups. I AM NOT trying to "steal" users away from the
newsgroups. It's just that some users need and WANT a place to turn to for
special help and over the past four years plus I have provided them a
resource to go to and I will continue to be there for users in the future
who WANT a place to turn to.

I'm the first to want to put an end to this nonsense. So if you and all
the others mentioned in the first paragraph quit harassing me and Arno R
quits sending emails to my office, it will go back to the way it was
before Arno R started trying to boost his ego by making himself the Don
Quixote of the newsgroups. He just needs to follow Salad's advice and grow
up and get a life.

Steve
"Randy Harris" <ra***@SpamFree.com> wrote in message
news:hm***************@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com. ..

"PC Datasheet" <no****@nospam.spam> wrote in message
news:b5*****************@newsread2.news.atl.earthl ink.net...
Why don't you take Salad's advise and grow up and get a life and quit
sending emails to my office.

"If you have anything to contribute to the group, contribute. Your war
with Datasheet is simply pissing and moaning in the wind for the sake of
nothing. Grow up and get a life."

Salad

--
PC Datasheet
Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications
re******@pcdatasheet.com
www.pcdatasheet.com


Steve, what do you say we put an end to this nonsense? Be reasonable. Go
back to your old simplified sig line. Let's get back to what this
newsgroup
is all about, helping one another with Access issues.


Nov 23 '05 #19

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"PC Datasheet" <no****@nospam.spam> wrote in message
news:U7****************@newsread3.news.atl.earthli nk.net...
Why don't you take Salad's advise and grow up and get a life and quit
sending emails to my office.

Is your record stuck?

John... Visio MVP
Nov 23 '05 #20

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"PC Datasheet" <no****@nospam.spam> wrote in message
news:r4***************@newsread3.news.atl.earthlin k.net...
Arno R started tracking every one of my posts and sending emails to my
office.
Arno has denied that, so where is the proof.
Dimwit John Marshall and Keith Wilby joined Arno R harassing my every
post.
Careful steve, I have not responded to all your posts. Occassionally you
have acted
responsibly and in those cases you will not find any response from me.
As I have said before I am approaching helping 1050 newsgroup posters for
reasonable fees and I will continue helping.
So why are they not jumping to your defence?
I'm the first to want to put an end to this nonsense.


It's all in your hands, stop soliciting and we're gone.

John... Visio MVP
Nov 23 '05 #21

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"Randy Harris" <ra***@SpamFree.com> wrote in
news:Re***************@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com:
I've recently joined several others in attempt to discourage Steve
Santos from advertising his PC Datasheet business on CDMA. Among
the hundreds of professional consultants who contribute to CDMA,
Steve is the only one that persistently violates the charter
prohibition on advertising. I think ignoring Steve's actions
threatens the survival and continued success of CDMA.

Despite his advertising, foul language and name calling, if a
significant percentage of the CDMA regulars would prefer that I
stop, I will.

What do you think?


Stop. I'm on the verge of killfiling the bunch of you who are
polluting the newsgroup with theis bitchfest.

--
David W. Fenton http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
dfenton at bway dot net http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc
Nov 23 '05 #22

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"John Marshall, MVP" <la******@stonehenge.ca> wrote in
news:oO********************@magma.ca:
One vote for you to continue.


You shouldn't be voting -- you're one of the offenders polluting the
newsgroup with all the crap in reaction to one particular poster.

--
David W. Fenton http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
dfenton at bway dot net http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc
Nov 23 '05 #23

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"Steve" <th*********@gmail.com> wrote in
news:11*********************@f14g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com:
my vote is to continue the effort.


Well, as someone who's been posting regularly in this newsgroup
since 1996, I vote AGAINST continuing the campaign.

If it doesn't stop, I'll killfile all the people who are involving
themselves. Maybe you won't care, but I'd bet I won't be the only
one doing so, just the only one saying so out loud.

--
David W. Fenton http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
dfenton at bway dot net http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc
Nov 23 '05 #24

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"Rick Brandt" <ri*********@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:9E*******************@newssvr21.news.prodigy. com:
My vote would be for you to simply post a short, simple,
non-inflammatory message in response to any such post that crosses
the "thou shall not advertise" line and then leave it at that.


If you're goign to do that, please do it the way Arno has, and use a
special return address for those posts so those who want can simply
killfile those and never see them.

--
David W. Fenton http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
dfenton at bway dot net http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc
Nov 23 '05 #25

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"David W. Fenton" <dX********@bway.net.invalid> wrote in message
news:Xn**********************************@216.196. 97.142...
"Rick Brandt" <ri*********@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:9E*******************@newssvr21.news.prodigy. com:
My vote would be for you to simply post a short, simple,
non-inflammatory message in response to any such post that crosses
the "thou shall not advertise" line and then leave it at that.


If you're goign to do that, please do it the way Arno has, and use a
special return address for those posts so those who want can simply
killfile those and never see them.

--
David W. Fenton http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
dfenton at bway dot net http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc


That seems reasonable. Certainly those who read CDMA regularly know about
Steve, there's no need to inform them. Those that wish can simply killfile
those messages.

Nov 23 '05 #26

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Panzerlied wrote:
As an uninvolved lurker who works with Access on and off I would say
keep up the good fight. I am disgusted with the behavior of Steve. His
language, his personal attacks, his despicable childish actions are a
blight on us all. I can't imagine anyone doing business with someone
like that.

So keep up the good work - maybe he'll get the message or just leave.

JimA


Datasheet's been around a lot longer than you. Doesn't mean he's right.
Just that this nonsense is not going to stop him. This is a recent
phenomenon...this ad/tag war. I'm with David Fenton. And I've been
posting since '97, whether or not that means anything. If I want a
flame war, I'll head off to a political newsgroup.
Nov 23 '05 #27

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"Salad" <oi*@vinegar.com> wrote in message
news:1i*****************@newsread2.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
Panzerlied wrote:
As an uninvolved lurker who works with Access on and off I would say
keep up the good fight. I am disgusted with the behavior of Steve. His
language, his personal attacks, his despicable childish actions are a
blight on us all. I can't imagine anyone doing business with someone
like that.

So keep up the good work - maybe he'll get the message or just leave.

JimA


Datasheet's been around a lot longer than you. Doesn't mean he's right.
Just that this nonsense is not going to stop him. This is a recent
phenomenon...this ad/tag war. I'm with David Fenton. And I've been
posting since '97, whether or not that means anything. If I want a
flame war, I'll head off to a political newsgroup.


Salad,

Would you be opposed to a limited campaign, with no more than one response
to datasheet in a thread, using a single from ID that you could easily
killfile? I'm not sure how significant the length of your history in CDMA
is, but as a regular, your opinion certainly matters.

Nov 23 '05 #28

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"John Marshall, MVP" <la******@stonehenge.ca> wrote in message
news:B9********************@magma.ca...
John... Visio MVP


That's good, you hypocritical piece of shit.
Nov 23 '05 #29

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Randy,

Are you showing your true colors here???

Six hours ago you posted:
"Steve, what do you say we put an end to this nonsense? Be reasonable. Go
back to your old simplified sig line. Let's get back to what this newsgroup
is all about, helping one another with Access issues."

To which I replied and you never responded back.

Now you post this and it seems contrary to your earlier post. It doesn't
appear you were sincere at all earlier give that you did not respond to my
reply to your earlier post and given your response here to Salad.

--
PC Datasheet
Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications
re******@pcdatasheet.com
www.pcdatasheet.com

If you can't get the help you need in the newsgroup, I can help you for a
very reasonable fee. Over 1000 Access users have come to me for help.
Need a month calendar or 7 day calendar? Need appointment scheduling? Need
room reservations scheduling? Need employee work scheduling? Contact me!



"Randy Harris" <ra***@SpamFree.com> wrote in message
news:Em*****************@newssvr24.news.prodigy.ne t...

"Salad" <oi*@vinegar.com> wrote in message
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Panzerlied wrote:
> As an uninvolved lurker who works with Access on and off I would say
> keep up the good fight. I am disgusted with the behavior of Steve. His
> language, his personal attacks, his despicable childish actions are a
> blight on us all. I can't imagine anyone doing business with someone
> like that.
>
> So keep up the good work - maybe he'll get the message or just leave.
>
> JimA


Datasheet's been around a lot longer than you. Doesn't mean he's right.
Just that this nonsense is not going to stop him. This is a recent
phenomenon...this ad/tag war. I'm with David Fenton. And I've been
posting since '97, whether or not that means anything. If I want a
flame war, I'll head off to a political newsgroup.


Salad,

Would you be opposed to a limited campaign, with no more than one response
to datasheet in a thread, using a single from ID that you could easily
killfile? I'm not sure how significant the length of your history in CDMA
is, but as a regular, your opinion certainly matters.

Nov 23 '05 #30

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Randy,

Are you showing your true colors here???

Six hours ago you posted:
"Steve, what do you say we put an end to this nonsense? Be reasonable. Go
back to your old simplified sig line. Let's get back to what this newsgroup
is all about, helping one another with Access issues."

To which I replied and you never responded back.

Now you post this and it seems contrary to your earlier post. It doesn't
appear you were sincere at all earlier given that you did not respond to my
reply to your earlier post and given your response here to David.

--
PC Datasheet
Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications
re******@pcdatasheet.com
www.pcdatasheet.com

If you can't get the help you need in the newsgroup, I can help you for a
very reasonable fee. Over 1000 Access users have come to me for help.
Need a month calendar or 7 day calendar? Need appointment scheduling? Need
room reservations scheduling? Need employee work scheduling? Contact me!

"Randy Harris" <ra***@SpamFree.com> wrote in message
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"David W. Fenton" <dX********@bway.net.invalid> wrote in message
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"Rick Brandt" <ri*********@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> My vote would be for you to simply post a short, simple,
> non-inflammatory message in response to any such post that crosses
> the "thou shall not advertise" line and then leave it at that.


If you're goign to do that, please do it the way Arno has, and use a
special return address for those posts so those who want can simply
killfile those and never see them.

--
David W. Fenton http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
dfenton at bway dot net http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc


That seems reasonable. Certainly those who read CDMA regularly know about
Steve, there's no need to inform them. Those that wish can simply
killfile
those messages.

Nov 23 '05 #31

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Steve,

Your response made your position entirely clear. There is no point in
attempting to reason with you. I won't be replying to you any longer. It
simply wastes bandwidth and clutters the newsgroup.

I hope that Arno, John and the others will do the same.

I (we if others wish to) will be posting the simple clarification message,
like before, in response to your advertising message, as suggested by Rick
and others.

Randy

Nov 23 '05 #32

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"StopThisAdvertising" <StopThisAdvertising@DataShit> wrote in message
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Oh and there's just a little suspicion I have that the whole thing is a
huge
troll and that we've all been "had" :o)


If you are suspicious about me Keith, just ask me what you want to know.

The suspicion was not intended in your direction Arno :o)
Nov 23 '05 #33

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"David W. Fenton" <dX********@bway.net.invalid> schreef in bericht news:Xn*********************************@216.196.9 7.142...
Well, as someone who's been posting regularly in this newsgroup
since 1996, I vote AGAINST continuing the campaign.
You have the right to vote against.
If it doesn't stop, I'll killfile all the people who are involving
themselves. Maybe you won't care, but I'd bet I won't be the only
one doing so, just the only one saying so out loud.


You have no right in intimidating people with your killfile threats.

Arno R
Nov 23 '05 #34

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Why don't you take Salad's advise and grow up and get a life and quit
sending emails to my office.

"If you have anything to contribute to the group, contribute. Your war
with Datasheet is simply pissing and moaning in the wind for the sake of
nothing. Grow up and get a life."

Salad

--
PC Datasheet
Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications
re******@pcdatasheet.com
www.pcdatasheet.com

If you can't get the help you need in the newsgroup, I can help you for a
very reasonable fee. Over 1000 Access users have come to me for help.
Need a month calendar or 7 day calendar? Need appointment scheduling? Need
room reservations scheduling? Need employee work scheduling? Contact me!


"StopThisAdvertising" <StopThisAdvertising@DataShit> wrote in message
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"David W. Fenton" <dX********@bway.net.invalid> schreef in bericht
news:Xn*********************************@216.196.9 7.142...
Well, as someone who's been posting regularly in this newsgroup
since 1996, I vote AGAINST continuing the campaign.
You have the right to vote against.
If it doesn't stop, I'll killfile all the people who are involving
themselves. Maybe you won't care, but I'd bet I won't be the only
one doing so, just the only one saying so out loud.


You have no right in intimidating people with your killfile threats.

Arno R
Nov 23 '05 #35

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David,

Looks like you might start getting your posts tracked by Arno R and start
getting emails sent to your office too!!

Steve

"David W. Fenton" <dX********@bway.net.invalid> wrote in message
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"Steve" <th*********@gmail.com> wrote in
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my vote is to continue the effort.


Well, as someone who's been posting regularly in this newsgroup
since 1996, I vote AGAINST continuing the campaign.

If it doesn't stop, I'll killfile all the people who are involving
themselves. Maybe you won't care, but I'd bet I won't be the only
one doing so, just the only one saying so out loud.

--
David W. Fenton http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
dfenton at bway dot net http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc

Nov 23 '05 #36

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Oh Yes, watch out for John Marshall dwt and Keith Wilby too! And you never
know about Randy Harris,

Steve

"David W. Fenton" <dX********@bway.net.invalid> wrote in message
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"Steve" <th*********@gmail.com> wrote in
news:11*********************@f14g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com:
my vote is to continue the effort.


Well, as someone who's been posting regularly in this newsgroup
since 1996, I vote AGAINST continuing the campaign.

If it doesn't stop, I'll killfile all the people who are involving
themselves. Maybe you won't care, but I'd bet I won't be the only
one doing so, just the only one saying so out loud.

--
David W. Fenton http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
dfenton at bway dot net http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc

Nov 23 '05 #37

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"PC Datasheet" <no****@nospam.spam> wrote in message
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Oh Yes, watch out for John Marshall dwt and Keith Wilby too! And you never
know about Randy Harris,

Steve

David has nothing to worry about. He is a long time contributor that knows
how to respect the newsgroup. He is just annoyed having
to put up with the extra traffic on the newsgroup that was instigated by
your lack of respect for the newsgroup.

I have no problem with the regulars killfiling me. They know you are the
cause of the problem. If you want, please add me to your killfile.

As stated many times before, you can easily stop this by respecting the
newsgroup and stop using the newsgroups to solicit business.

John... Visio MVP
Nov 23 '05 #38

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PC Datasheet wrote:

I'm the first to want to put an end to this nonsense. So if you and all the
others mentioned in the first paragraph quit harassing me and ...
it will go back to the way it was before ...

Steve


So here is the solution. Accept this offer and call a truce. Forget
the past and try again.

Have a trial period until the end of the year.
1 Steve, go back to the way it was before and, for the trial, ignore
other messages.
2 For everyone else, stop complaining.

If by 1 January it has not settled down then adopt Rick's suggestion.
Jim

Nov 23 '05 #39

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Hi,

Not sure why the length of time that someone has been around is
relevant? And I doubt he has been around longer than me (unless you
mean on this board) as I have almost reached "Unbelievably Old" status!
<G> I've been reading this newsgroup since 98 (being an idiot, I had
little knowledge to share; but I learned a lot). More importantly, I
was asked to vote to continue or stop this nonsense - I chose to
exercise my franchise.

JimA

Nov 23 '05 #40

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Thanks Jim, steve is not being honest (and this is not the first time).

Since these messages are in response to his behaviour, he has had it in his
power to stop this along time ago, but he chose to use these newsgroups to
make money, while others continue to try to help other users with no
expectation of compensation.

The issue here is more than just the diatribe after the sigline. Steve has
been using these newsgroups to solicit work. I only post against his
messages when his advice to the OP contains a "call me" message or is
passing bad information. On some of my replies to these message I do take a
shot at what he writes after his sigline.

So if steve stops trying to lure users from the newsgroup for his own gain
and simplifies his sigline down to a single URL (as he has forced one user
to do), this whole matter will end.

John... Visio MVP
"Jim Devenish" <in***************@foobox.com> wrote in message
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PC Datasheet wrote:

I'm the first to want to put an end to this nonsense. So if you and all
the
others mentioned in the first paragraph quit harassing me and ...
it will go back to the way it was before ...

Steve


So here is the solution. Accept this offer and call a truce. Forget
the past and try again.

Have a trial period until the end of the year.
1 Steve, go back to the way it was before and, for the trial, ignore
other messages.
2 For everyone else, stop complaining.

If by 1 January it has not settled down then adopt Rick's suggestion.

Jim

Nov 23 '05 #41

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PC Datasheet, although I am apparently unfortunate to share your given
name, have you realized that by posting such inflammatory things with
an advertisement for your company in your signature that you're
probably hurting your business? If I were going to purchase services
from someone I saw on a newsgroup, I wouldn't do so from the a person
who I knew was heavily insulting other posters and in general acting as
a child would. I would choose a poster who has shown that they are
considerate and professional. 'Considerate' and 'professional' are not
adjectives I would use to describe your performance so far.

Note that I'm not looking to jump into this ridiculous war: everyone
has the right to post in the newsgroups after they check the 'I agree
to these terms of service' box. However, advertising for personal gain
on a board meant for free help to those who want it is a rather low
thing to do. Personally, I think it would be nice if you stopped
advertising on this particular board.

Nov 23 '05 #42

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PC Datasheet's website should do enough to deter potential clients.

"Steve is a unique find" Anonymous
"...thanks to Steve who made me a hero" Anonymous
"Steve was a pleasure to work with" Geordie - Anonymous Company

Qualifications: Frequent contributor to newsgroups (frequently most
unpopular)
Access/Excel tips: Coming Soon!!! (...)

Oh dear.

Nov 23 '05 #43

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Where are you sending this from Keith?

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PC Datasheet
Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications
re******@pcdatasheet.com
www.pcdatasheet.com

If you can't get the help you need in the newsgroup, I can help you for a
very reasonable fee. Over 1000 Access users have come to me for help.
Need a month calendar or 7 day calendar? Need appointment scheduling? Need
room reservations scheduling? Need employee work scheduling? Contact me!

<da***********@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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PC Datasheet's website should do enough to deter potential clients.

"Steve is a unique find" Anonymous
"...thanks to Steve who made me a hero" Anonymous
"Steve was a pleasure to work with" Geordie - Anonymous Company

Qualifications: Frequent contributor to newsgroups (frequently most
unpopular)
Access/Excel tips: Coming Soon!!! (...)

Oh dear.

Nov 23 '05 #44

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"PC Datasheet" <no****@nospam.spam> wrote in message
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Where are you sending this from Keith?


Not me bud.
Nov 23 '05 #45

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<da***********@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:11**********************@g47g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
PC Datasheet's website should do enough to deter potential clients.

"Steve is a unique find" Anonymous
"...thanks to Steve who made me a hero" Anonymous
"Steve was a pleasure to work with" Geordie - Anonymous Company

Qualifications: Frequent contributor to newsgroups (frequently most
unpopular)
Access/Excel tips: Coming Soon!!! (...)

Oh dear.


The tips have been "coming soon" for years.

The "resources" are good for a laugh too - "Large library of Reference
Books", "Library (Indexed) of Over 1000 Procedures Taken From Various
Sources", 'taken' meaning "plagiarised". I've never seen "qualifications"
such as those claimed either, nothing formal at all.
Nov 23 '05 #46

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Jim,

Take a look at my reply to Randy's offer. I took the offer as a sincere
offer in trust and said I am the first to want to put an end to the nonsense
and I wanted to just go back to the way it was before. As it turned out
Randy's offer was not sincere and he showed he is not a person that can be
trusted. Five hours later he is recruiting for a campaign to continue to
harass me and he said he is joining Arno R and his goons to track all my
posts.

Take a look at the immediate response you got from noneother than John
Marshall dwt (sic dimwit). It's obvious he is not going to stop polluting
the newsgroups with his worthless garbage. Immediately after you posted I
got a derogatory email at my office from Arno R and another suspicious email
that I believe was sent by Keith Wilby. So you see Arno R and his goons have
no desire to stop polluting the newsgroups with their worthless garbage.

Go back over the past month or so and see how many contributory responses
were made by these dimwiteers. You will not need anything else than your
fingers on one hand. They are on their own joy ride at the expense of the
newsgroups and don't give a damn about the newsgroups. Take a look at
Salad's advise to Arno R to grow up and get a life. Arno R's ego couldn't
take that! Look at Arno R's response to David Fenton. I wouldn't be
surprised David has not gotten any unwanted email from these characters.

--
PC Datasheet
Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications
re******@pcdatasheet.com
www.pcdatasheet.com

If you can't get the help you need in the newsgroup, I can help you for a
very reasonable fee. Over 1000 Access users have come to me for help.
Need a month calendar or 7 day calendar? Need appointment scheduling? Need
room reservations scheduling? Need employee work scheduling? Contact me!


"Jim Devenish" <in***************@foobox.com> wrote in message
news:11*********************@z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...

PC Datasheet wrote:

I'm the first to want to put an end to this nonsense. So if you and all
the
others mentioned in the first paragraph quit harassing me and ...
it will go back to the way it was before ...

Steve


So here is the solution. Accept this offer and call a truce. Forget
the past and try again.

Have a trial period until the end of the year.
1 Steve, go back to the way it was before and, for the trial, ignore
other messages.
2 For everyone else, stop complaining.

If by 1 January it has not settled down then adopt Rick's suggestion.
Jim

Nov 23 '05 #47

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"PC Datasheet" <no****@nospam.spam> wrote in message
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Go back over the past month or so and see how many contributory responses
were made by these dimwiteers.
Irrelavent. Posting is not a requirement for commenting on the well being of
these newsgroups.
They are on their own joy ride at the expense of the newsgroups and don't
give a damn about the newsgroups.


Well put steve, we want these newsgroups reserved for lowlifes like you who
do not care
about helping other users, just as a means to make money.

Master steve, it's all in your hands. Grow up and Stop annoying the user of
these newsgroups with
your grovelling for money. The complaining of your inappropriate behaviour
will miraculously stop.

John... Visio MVP
Nov 23 '05 #48

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"PC Datasheet" <no****@nospam.spam> schreef in bericht news:H%****************@newsread3.news.atl.earthli nk.net...
Immediately after you posted I
got a derogatory email at my office from Arno R


I did *not* sent anything to you! What the f*** are you talking about??
You are just a pathetical liar!

I challenge you to show us that email!
Also show us the other emails please!

Arno R
Nov 23 '05 #49

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You're just reinforcing what a poster said about you ---

"That's good, you hypocritical piece of shit. "

--
PC Datasheet
Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications
re******@pcdatasheet.com
www.pcdatasheet.com

If you can't get the help you need in the newsgroup, I can help you for a
very reasonable fee. Over 1000 Access users have come to me for help.
Need a month calendar or 7 day calendar? Need appointment scheduling? Need
room reservations scheduling? Need employee work scheduling? Contact me!
"John Marshall, MVP" <la******@stonehenge.ca> wrote in message
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"PC Datasheet" <no****@nospam.spam> wrote in message
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Go back over the past month or so and see how many contributory responses
were made by these dimwiteers.


Irrelavent. Posting is not a requirement for commenting on the well being
of these newsgroups.
They are on their own joy ride at the expense of the newsgroups and don't
give a damn about the newsgroups.


Well put steve, we want these newsgroups reserved for lowlifes like you
who do not care
about helping other users, just as a means to make money.

Master steve, it's all in your hands. Grow up and Stop annoying the user
of these newsgroups with
your grovelling for money. The complaining of your inappropriate behaviour
will miraculously stop.

John... Visio MVP

Nov 23 '05 #50

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