A qiuestion for the community

Damn !!
I see a post signed as StopTheAdvertising that is *not* posted by me.
Thread: Database design.
Not my sig (Arno R). Not my language (copy of Randy's message)

The follow-up (from PCDataSheet) ... ??) also seems a fake to me!

Might be someone is 'interfering' here.
And if so, I *do* have an idea who that is <sigh>.

So Steve: *IF* you received emails, did you bother to check the headers before accusing me?

Arno R

Sorry Arno, that was me. I changed the From to make it easy for regulars to
killfile it, but I forgot to add my sig to it. I will be sure to correct
that the next time.

I'm hoping to minimize the garbage posts. There is absolutely nothing that
any of us could post that would make Steve look as childish and
unprofessional as his own ravings. I intend to let him rant all he wants, my
postings will stop the instant his advertising does. This is essentially the
strategy suggested by Rick, David Fenton and a couple of others.

Randy Harris
"Arno R" <ar***********@tiscali.nl> wrote in message
news:43********************@dreader2.news.tiscali. nl...

Damn !!
I see a post signed as StopTheAdvertising that is *not* posted by me.
Thread: Database design.
Not my sig (Arno R). Not my language (copy of Randy's message)

The follow-up (from PCDataSheet) ... ??) also seems a fake to me!

Might be someone is 'interfering' here.
And if so, I *do* have an idea who that is <sigh>.

So Steve: *IF* you received emails, did you bother to check the headers
before accusing me?

Arno R

"Randy Harris" <ra***@SpamFree.com> schreef in bericht news:tP****************@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com ...

Sorry Arno, that was me. I changed the From to make it easy for regulars to
killfile it, but I forgot to add my sig to it. I will be sure to correct
that the next time.

I'm hoping to minimize the garbage posts. There is absolutely nothing that
any of us could post that would make Steve look as childish and
unprofessional as his own ravings. I intend to let him rant all he wants, my
postings will stop the instant his advertising does. This is essentially the
strategy suggested by Rick, David Fenton and a couple of others.

Randy Harris

Ok, thanks Randy. For a moment I was afraid it was 'our local troll' who was impersonating me.
So I was even thinking that PC might *not* be lying about the office-emails ...
(Well, he has the opportunity to show them here... )

Suggestion for the 'From': "PleaseStopAdvertising"
IMO the one you just used was too much a lookalike. You even fooled me ;-)

I think it might be handy to know *who* posted *what* don't you think?
So if you would use "PleaseStopAdvertising" as your second identity I can use "StopThisAdvertising" as I am using for month's now.
Maybe others who will join us can use "StopAdvertisingNow" or similar.

If we would use the *same* alias it would be easy to killfile but...
Since I realy *hate* the impersonating that has happened here (and the aliases Steve still uses while asking questions) I think we have to use names that 'can tell who we are'. It is easy enough to killfile a few names.

Well what do you think?
Or maybe we better discuss this issue offline?
Nothing sneeky, but if you want, contact me.

For the moment I am considering to give Steve a break.
If he reverts to his old sig, of course I wil also stop to hunt him.
It is all up to him as he knows, or should know by now.

Arno R

John Marshall, MVP wrote:

The complaining of your inappropriate behaviour
will miraculously stop.

It certainly did the past Summer when he behaved properly.
--
Tim http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~tmarshal/
^o<
/#) "Burp-beep, burp-beep, burp-beep?" - Quaker Jake
/^^ "What's UP, Dittoooooo?" - Ditto

Why don't you take Salad's advise and grow up and get a life and quit
sending emails to my office.

"If you have anything to contribute to the group, contribute. Your war
with Datasheet is simply pissing and moaning in the wind for the sake of
nothing. Grow up and get a life."

Salad

--
PC Datasheet
Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications
re******@pcdatasheet.com
www.pcdatasheet.com

If you can't get the help you need in the newsgroup, I can help you for a
very reasonable fee. Over 1000 Access users have come to me for help.
Need a month calendar or 7 day calendar? Need appointment scheduling? Need
room reservations scheduling? Need employee work scheduling? Contact me!

"Arno R" <ar***********@tiscali.nl> wrote in message
news:43********************@dreader2.news.tiscali. nl...

"PC Datasheet" <no****@nospam.spam> schreef in bericht
news:H%****************@newsread3.news.atl.earthli nk.net...

Immediately after you posted I
got a derogatory email at my office from Arno R

I did *not* sent anything to you! What the f*** are you talking about??
You are just a pathetical liar!

I challenge you to show us that email!
Also show us the other emails please!

Arno R

Why don't you take Salad's advise and grow up and get a life and quit
sending emails to my office.

"If you have anything to contribute to the group, contribute. Your war
with Datasheet is simply pissing and moaning in the wind for the sake of
nothing. Grow up and get a life."

Salad

--
PC Datasheet
Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications
re******@pcdatasheet.com
www.pcdatasheet.com

If you can't get the help you need in the newsgroup, I can help you for a
very reasonable fee. Over 1000 Access users have come to me for help.
Need a month calendar or 7 day calendar? Need appointment scheduling? Need
room reservations scheduling? Need employee work scheduling? Contact me!

"Arno R" <ar***********@tiscali.nl> wrote in message
news:43********************@dreader2.news.tiscali. nl...

Damn !!
I see a post signed as StopTheAdvertising that is *not* posted by me.
Thread: Database design.
Not my sig (Arno R). Not my language (copy of Randy's message)

The follow-up (from PCDataSheet) ... ??) also seems a fake to me!

Might be someone is 'interfering' here.
And if so, I *do* have an idea who that is <sigh>.

So Steve: *IF* you received emails, did you bother to check the headers
before accusing me?

Arno R

Why don't you take Salad's advise and grow up and get a life and quit
sending emails to my office.

"If you have anything to contribute to the group, contribute. Your war
with Datasheet is simply pissing and moaning in the wind for the sake of
nothing. Grow up and get a life."

Salad

--
PC Datasheet
Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications
re******@pcdatasheet.com
www.pcdatasheet.com

If you can't get the help you need in the newsgroup, I can help you for a
very reasonable fee. Over 1000 Access users have come to me for help.
Need a month calendar or 7 day calendar? Need appointment scheduling? Need
room reservations scheduling? Need employee work scheduling? Contact me!

"Arno R" <ar***********@tiscali.nl> wrote in message
news:43********************@dreader2.news.tiscali. nl...

"Randy Harris" <ra***@SpamFree.com> schreef in bericht
news:tP****************@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com ...

Sorry Arno, that was me. I changed the From to make it easy for regulars
to
killfile it, but I forgot to add my sig to it. I will be sure to correct
that the next time.

I'm hoping to minimize the garbage posts. There is absolutely nothing that
any of us could post that would make Steve look as childish and
unprofessional as his own ravings. I intend to let him rant all he wants,
my
postings will stop the instant his advertising does. This is essentially
the
strategy suggested by Rick, David Fenton and a couple of others.

Randy Harris

Ok, thanks Randy. For a moment I was afraid it was 'our local troll' who was
impersonating me.
So I was even thinking that PC might *not* be lying about the office-emails
....
(Well, he has the opportunity to show them here... )

Suggestion for the 'From': "PleaseStopAdvertising"
IMO the one you just used was too much a lookalike. You even fooled me ;-)

I think it might be handy to know *who* posted *what* don't you think?
So if you would use "PleaseStopAdvertising" as your second identity I can
use "StopThisAdvertising" as I am using for month's now.
Maybe others who will join us can use "StopAdvertisingNow" or similar.

If we would use the *same* alias it would be easy to killfile but...
Since I realy *hate* the impersonating that has happened here (and the
aliases Steve still uses while asking questions) I think we have to use
names that 'can tell who we are'. It is easy enough to killfile a few names.

Well what do you think?
Or maybe we better discuss this issue offline?
Nothing sneeky, but if you want, contact me.

For the moment I am considering to give Steve a break.
If he reverts to his old sig, of course I wil also stop to hunt him.
It is all up to him as he knows, or should know by now.

Arno R

"PC Datasheet" <no****@nospam.spam> wrote in message
news:ri*****************@newsread2.news.atl.earthl ink.net...

You're just reinforcing what a poster said about you ---

"That's good, you hypocritical piece of shit. "

You are so eloquent and as usual wrong. I have been consistent in stating
that your pimping is inappropriate in these newsgroups.

John...

"PC Datasheet" <no****@nospam.spam> wrote in message
news:%O****************@newsread3.news.atl.earthli nk.net...

Why don't you take Salad's advise and grow up and get a life and quit
sending emails to my office.

steve has your brain stopped and you can not come up with any new excuses
for your bad behaviour?

When are you going to prove that Arno has sent more than the one message he
acknowledges? Or is this another one of your lies?

John... Visio MVO

I would like to suggest that this thread has run its course and we let it
die. If Steve wishes to continue his ranting, let him do so, he is doing
harm to no one other than himself.

Randy Harris
"Randy Harris" <ra***@SpamFree.com> wrote in message
news:Re***************@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com. ..

I've recently joined several others in attempt to discourage Steve Santos
from advertising his PC Datasheet business on CDMA. Among the hundreds of
professional consultants who contribute to CDMA, Steve is the only one that persistently violates the charter prohibition on advertising. I think
ignoring Steve's actions threatens the survival and continued success of
CDMA.

Despite his advertising, foul language and name calling, if a significant
percentage of the CDMA regulars would prefer that I stop, I will.

What do you think?

Randy Harris

Hi John,

Hmmm, Steve has learned already!!
At least in his quote he is giving Salad credit for the contents of the message.

Arno R

"John Marshall, MVP" <la******@stonehenge.ca> schreef in bericht news:Hq******************************@magma.ca...

"PC Datasheet" <no****@nospam.spam> wrote in message
news:%O****************@newsread3.news.atl.earthli nk.net...

Why don't you take Salad's advise and grow up and get a life and quit
sending emails to my office.

steve has your brain stopped and you can not come up with any new excuses
for your bad behaviour?

When are you going to prove that Arno has sent more than the one message he
acknowledges? Or is this another one of your lies?

John... Visio MVO

Hey, I've only just come across it :)

I like the original suggestion of posting just once to the thread so that the
original poster knows not to accept PC Datasheet's advice at face value. I
think links to somewhere else where someone can go to view the language,
tenor of discussion, etc - like sample threads, websites, etc - is also
important, so that the original poster doesn't have to take either person's
word for it, but can see the evidence for themselves. The idea is to make
sure new posters to the group are able to make fully informed decisions.

The automated response after every post is overkill, I think - I saw that in
another thread and it seems to be what PC Datasheet is foing in this one.

Any chance of adding others, such as Aaron Kempf, to this sort of list ;)

BTW I have no idea what this CDMA thing is and the agreement people sign up
to - I'm not very familiar with newsgroups at all, but hang out on here via
the AccessMonster web site, which does something similar to the Google groups,
I think...

--
Message posted via AccessMonster.com
http://www.accessmonster.com/Uwe/For...ccess/200511/1

It's an abbreviation for this newsgroup which can be accessed directly or
through a third party front end.

CDMA - Comp.Databases.Ms-Access

John... Visio MVP

Why don't you take Salad's advise and grow up and get a life and quit
sending emails to my office.

"If you have anything to contribute to the group, contribute. Your war
with Datasheet is simply pissing and moaning in the wind for the sake of
nothing. Grow up and get a life."

Salad

--
PC Datasheet
Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications
re******@pcdatasheet.com
www.pcdatasheet.com

If you can't get the help you need in the newsgroup, I can help you for a
very reasonable fee. Over 1000 Access users have come to me for help.
Need a month calendar or 7 day calendar? Need appointment scheduling? Need
room reservations scheduling? Need employee work scheduling? Contact me!
"StopThisAdvertising" <StopThisAdvertising@DataShit> wrote in message
news:43********************@dreader2.news.tiscali. nl...
Hi John,

Hmmm, Steve has learned already!!
At least in his quote he is giving Salad credit for the contents of the
message.

Arno R

"John Marshall, MVP" <la******@stonehenge.ca> schreef in bericht
news:Hq******************************@magma.ca...

"PC Datasheet" <no****@nospam.spam> wrote in message
news:%O****************@newsread3.news.atl.earthli nk.net...

Why don't you take Salad's advise and grow up and get a life and quit
sending emails to my office.

steve has your brain stopped and you can not come up with any new excuses
for your bad behaviour?

When are you going to prove that Arno has sent more than the one message
he
acknowledges? Or is this another one of your lies?

John... Visio MVO

"David W. Fenton" <dX********@bway.net.invalid> wrote in message
news:Xn**********************************@216.196. 97.142...

Stop. I'm on the verge of killfiling the bunch of you who are
polluting the newsgroup with theis bitchfest.

is new word bitchfest yes? or is wrong spelling for bitchfist? please say.
i very happy man when learn new english!

Sherwood Wang
*** BIG TIME MVP ***

"Sherwood Wang, Big Time MVP" <no****@nospam.net> wrote in message
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is new word bitchfest yes? or is wrong spelling for bitchfist? please say. i very happy man when learn new english!

Main Entry: complain
Part of Speech: verb
Definition: grumble
Synonyms: accuse, ascribe, attack, beef, bellyache, bemoan, bewail,
bitch, carp, cavil, charge, contravene, criticize, defy, demur, denounce,
deplore, deprecate, differ, disagree, disapprove, dissent, expostulate, find
fault, fret, fuss, gainsay, grieve, gripe, groan, grouse, growl, grumble,
impute, indict, lament, lay, look askance, moan, nag, object, oppose,
protest, refute, remonstrate, repine, reproach, snivel, sound off, wail,
whimper, whine, yammer
Antonyms: applaud, be content, be happy, compliment, laud, praise,
recommend
Source: Roget's New MillenniumT Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.1.1)
Copyright © 2005 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights reserved.

1 entry found for fest.
Main Entry: bull session
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: informal discussion
Synonyms: chin fest, chinwag, confab, gabfest, rap session, talk
fest
Source: Roget's New MillenniumT Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.1.1)
Copyright © 2005 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights reserved.

so bitch-fest - get together and do a lot of bitching(complaining)

"MP" <no****@Thanks.com> wrote in message
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"Sherwood Wang, Big Time MVP" <no****@nospam.net> wrote in message
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is new word bitchfest yes? or is wrong spelling for bitchfist? please

say.

i very happy man when learn new english!

Main Entry: complain
Part of Speech: verb
Definition: grumble
Synonyms: accuse, ascribe, attack, beef, bellyache, bemoan, bewail,
bitch, carp, cavil, charge, contravene, criticize, defy, demur, denounce,
deplore, deprecate, differ, disagree, disapprove, dissent, expostulate,
find
fault, fret, fuss, gainsay, grieve, gripe, groan, grouse, growl, grumble,
impute, indict, lament, lay, look askance, moan, nag, object, oppose,
protest, refute, remonstrate, repine, reproach, snivel, sound off, wail,
whimper, whine, yammer
Antonyms: applaud, be content, be happy, compliment, laud, praise,
recommend
Source: Roget's New MillenniumT Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.1.1)
Copyright © 2005 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights
reserved.

1 entry found for fest.
Main Entry: bull session
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: informal discussion
Synonyms: chin fest, chinwag, confab, gabfest, rap session, talk
fest
Source: Roget's New MillenniumT Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.1.1)
Copyright © 2005 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights
reserved.

so bitch-fest - get together and do a lot of bitching(complaining)

mr mp so very happy when read your replie!!! is verb + noun make 1 word
yes? so stupid to me thinking noun + noun make 1 word!!! is big
*brainfart* for me yes? //hahaha ==> good english joke i love your language
mr mp

Sherwood Wang
*** BIG TIME MVP ***

"Sherwood Wang, Big Time MVP" <no****@nospam.net> wrote in message
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"MP" <no****@Thanks.com> wrote in message
news:qJ*****************@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...

"Sherwood Wang, Big Time MVP" <no****@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:11*****************************************@f e5.teranews.com...

mr mp so very happy when read your replie!!! is verb + noun make 1 word
yes? so stupid to me thinking noun + noun make 1 word!!! is big
*brainfart* for me yes? //hahaha ==> good english joke i love your language mr mp

not stupid at all
your interest to learn a language shows how smart you are!!!

bitch is used as both a noun and a verb
bitch originally meant a female dog (as far as I know)
then it came to be used to mean a female human with a "bad temper"
(slang)
then it came to be used as a verb - to complain (like what the female human
with the bad temper was doing)

I consider the later usage to be crude(rude) slang but it was there in the
online dictionary so i guess it's gotten citizenship by default

I don't think bitchfest is actually a word at all - it wasnt' in the online
dictionaries
just slang that gets passed around in informal usage and for english
speakers is probably more or less recognized as what it means even if it's
not an "official" word.

....so even though it's a "bad" word...and even though the rest of this whole
thread is a stupid waste of bandwidth...at least you actually learned
something from it!
:-)
Too bad it wasn't something more valuable!
what's your native language?
Mark

"Randy Harris" <ra***@SpamFree.com> wrote in
news:tP****************@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com :

I'm hoping to minimize the garbage posts. There is absolutely
nothing that any of us could post that would make Steve look as
childish and unprofessional as his own ravings. I intend to let
him rant all he wants, my postings will stop the instant his
advertising does. This is essentially the strategy suggested by
Rick, David Fenton and a couple of others.

Hold on -- my suggestion is to IGNORE the posts that bother you --
killfile the offender and let it be.

But, if you *insist* on posting responses to the newsgroup chiding
the offender for whatever it is that annoys you, use a different
email address. For most newsreaders, it doesn't matter if you use
the same email address as long as you vary the friendly name part of
it. And it doesn't even matter if you use a non-working email
address, as the purpose of it is to allow those of us who want to
clean out the pollution of the newsgroup to killfile that address so
we don't have to see it.

But, again, let me repeat that *I* would urge you all to just chill
out and not read the posts by the people who get your dander up, and
not respond to them at all. The situation is only *slightly*
different than the troll scenario that we went through a while back.

--
David W. Fenton http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
dfenton at bway dot net http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc

"PC Datasheet" <no****@nospam.spam> wrote in message
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another suspicious email that I believe was sent by Keith Wilby.

Whoa, the paranoia's set in well! <Outer Limits theme plays>

"John Marshall, MVP" <la******@stonehenge.ca> schreef in bericht news:6I********************@magma.ca...

"PC Datasheet" <no****@nospam.spam> wrote in message
news:ri*****************@newsread2.news.atl.earthl ink.net...

You're just reinforcing what a poster said about you ---

"That's good, you hypocritical piece of shit. "

You are so eloquent and as usual wrong. I have been consistent in stating
that your pimping is inappropriate in these newsgroups.

John...

John, please contact me ...

Arno R

On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 04:25:38 GMT, "MP" <no****@Thanks.com> wrote:

"Sherwood Wang, Big Time MVP" <no****@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:11*****************************************@ fe5.teranews.com...

"MP" <no****@Thanks.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Sherwood Wang, Big Time MVP" <no****@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:11*****************************************@f e5.teranews.com...
>

mr mp so very happy when read your replie!!! is verb + noun make 1 word
yes? so stupid to me thinking noun + noun make 1 word!!! is big
*brainfart* for me yes? //hahaha ==> good english joke i love your

language

mr mp

not stupid at all
your interest to learn a language shows how smart you are!!!

bitch is used as both a noun and a verb
bitch originally meant a female dog (as far as I know)
then it came to be used to mean a female human with a "bad temper"
(slang)
then it came to be used as a verb - to complain (like what the female human
with the bad temper was doing)

I consider the later usage to be crude(rude) slang but it was there in the
online dictionary so i guess it's gotten citizenship by default

I don't think bitchfest is actually a word at all - it wasnt' in the online
dictionaries
just slang that gets passed around in informal usage and for english
speakers is probably more or less recognized as what it means even if it's
not an "official" word.

...so even though it's a "bad" word...and even though the rest of this whole
thread is a stupid waste of bandwidth...at least you actually learned
something from it!
:-)
Too bad it wasn't something more valuable!
what's your native language?

Slooflirpa, all year long.

mike