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[Anns via AccessMonster.com]

What does a typical Ms Access w/ native jet engine "no splitting" "only for 5
users" usually go for?

Request:

Inventory db w/ 8 user friendly forms & 8 reports.
Nothing fancy, I realize the prices can be scattered, but generally a GOOD
FAITH ESTIMATE what seems to be the normal price for a developer to charge?

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[Keith Wilby]

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What does a typical Ms Access w/ native jet engine "no splitting" "only
for 5
users" usually go for?

Request:

Inventory db w/ 8 user friendly forms & 8 reports.
Nothing fancy, I realize the prices can be scattered, but generally a GOOD
FAITH ESTIMATE what seems to be the normal price for a developer to
charge?

It all depends on how complex the storage area is IMO - tables and their
relationships. Care to elaborate? You'd be well-advised to split the app
too, it's no great hardship or overhead.

Regards,
Keith.
www.keithwilby.com

[Anns via AccessMonster.com]

Inventory: marketing department which stores and send outs several different
types of flyers and goodies
Forms: several different forms to look up pricing, display of all brochures,
display of all goodies, who it went to, etc seems like it would not be alot,
but we carry several inventory items that we need to track, look up, report
and maybe a code to prevent users from using the short cut key methods in
getting behind the scenes.

The db could be split, but the people who will use the db barely know access
and I think for 5 users who are not very well educated in this program (the
native jet) would really serve it's purpose for this situation?

The reason for the code is b/c they know of the short cut key, but really not
sure what they are looking at once they get behind the scenes.

So the form needs to allow the users to do all things (above), allow the
reports to be accessible to just preview and print, they don't know how to
create new objects, etc.

What are your thoughts and pricing for such a request?
Keith Wilby wrote:

What does a typical Ms Access w/ native jet engine "no splitting" "only
for 5

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FAITH ESTIMATE what seems to be the normal price for a developer to
charge?

It all depends on how complex the storage area is IMO - tables and their
relationship s. Care to elaborate? You'd be well-advised to split the app
too, it's no great hardship or overhead.

Regards,
Keith.
www.keithwilby.com

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[Rick Wannall]

For a better start on this, open Access, click File, click New and select
Template On My Computer.

From the Databases tab, select Inventory Control, and create that database
using the wizard. Takes about 1 minutes. Start with that. Compare it to
what you are asking for.

If you are truly trying to size this project, you're going to need much more
detail than you've presented, IMO. In my experience, you can count on a
minimum (bare minimum!!) of 3-4 hours per table, query, form or report, by
the time you've talked to your client, made a first draft, presented to the
client, and made the first round of modifications. And that's for truly
simple, generic things. Some things will take 20 minutes to set up, some
will take 6 hours.

Templates such as described above can be employed to spark discussion and
help the client discover the actual requirements.

The more you talk it out ahead, the less chance you take of designing
yourself into a corner that's difficult to get out of 4 weeks into the
project, when your or the client has that "AHA!" moment and realize what it
will REALLY take to do what you were talking about last week.

[Keith Wilby]

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Inventory: marketing department which stores and send outs several
different
types of flyers and goodies
Forms: several different forms to look up pricing, display of all
brochures,
display of all goodies, who it went to, etc seems like it would not be
alot,
but we carry several inventory items that we need to track, look up,
report
and maybe a code to prevent users from using the short cut key methods in
getting behind the scenes.
Well you could use one form with bespoke filtering methods (combo
boxes/option groups) or you could use the built-in "filter by form" to
return your filtered records.

The db could be split, but the people who will use the db barely know
access
and I think for 5 users who are not very well educated in this program
(the
native jet) would really serve it's purpose for this situation?
You don't need to know anything about Access to use a well-designed
solution. Most developers would advise a split design to minimise the risk
of data corruption. As I say, it's no biggie.

The reason for the code is b/c they know of the short cut key, but really
not
sure what they are looking at once they get behind the scenes.
Users shouldn't be allowed under the bonnet/hood, call it what you will.
The potential to do damage is too great. You can easily disable/enable the
shortcut key.

So the form needs to allow the users to do all things (above), allow the
reports to be accessible to just preview and print, they don't know how to
create new objects, etc.

What are your thoughts and pricing for such a request?

If it's as straightforward as it sounds then I'd hazard a guess at between
the GBP150 - GBP250 marks, but you'd have to specify *exactly* what you
wanted to a developer and agree a design spec before you would get a firm
price. A woolly spec would be trouble for both parties. Once a spec is
hammered out, agreed and a price quoted, any 'extras' would be subject to
further negotiation. Like any other contract, really.

HTH - Keith.
www.keithwilby.com

[Anns via AccessMonster.com]

Yea,

The db that shipped with ms access (inventory) is generally what I am looking
for but add our inventory to it, but I am looking for something presentation
wise that is far better than what this can offer.

I have been told the prices for my request (8 forms, 8 reports, 1 or 2 code &
maybe a few queries) for around the price range of $5-1,000.

Does this seem reseasonable?
Rick Wannall wrote:

For a better start on this, open Access, click File, click New and select
Template On My Computer.

From the Databases tab, select Inventory Control, and create that database
using the wizard. Takes about 1 minutes. Start with that. Compare it to
what you are asking for.

If you are truly trying to size this project, you're going to need much more
detail than you've presented, IMO. In my experience, you can count on a
minimum (bare minimum!!) of 3-4 hours per table, query, form or report, by
the time you've talked to your client, made a first draft, presented to the
client, and made the first round of modifications. And that's for truly
simple, generic things. Some things will take 20 minutes to set up, some
will take 6 hours.

Templates such as described above can be employed to spark discussion and
help the client discover the actual requirements.

The more you talk it out ahead, the less chance you take of designing
yourself into a corner that's difficult to get out of 4 weeks into the
project, when your or the client has that "AHA!" moment and realize what it
will REALLY take to do what you were talking about last week.

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[Lyle Fairfield]

Anns via AccessMonster.c om wrote:

The db that shipped with ms access (inventory) is generally what I am looking
for but add our inventory to it, but I am looking for something presentation
wise that is far better than what this can offer.

IMO paying money for "presentati on" is unwise. Typically one pays money
for sound design and efficient UI. Also typically, nothing created by
MS provides either of these, but I cannot speak for the Inventory
Template, having never used a Template. A quick glance shows a
Switchboard which is enough for me to send it to the shredder.

Given the need to check and, probably, correct MS's design and meet
special needs of the client I suppose one might get by with $10 000 USD
for this project.

If you pay less you will get a piece of crap in this world or you will
burn in the next for exploiting some bright and capable person.

I can never understand corporations or their management when they want
a program/database which will, essentially, DO their business and also
want to scrimp on cost, or more puzzling give the responsibility to
some hack whose major experience is the development of a couple Excel
Workbooks. What is strangest of all is the business which does no
investigation of "SUPREME and MAJESTIC DATA SOLUTIONS" at all; shortly
after the contract is signed SMDS posts here the most basic or most
non-sensical questions imaginable. It would be funny if it were not so
sad.

[Anns via AccessMonster.com]

What is IMO?

Lyle Fairfield wrote:

The db that shipped with ms access (inventory) is generally what I am looking
for but add our inventory to it, but I am looking for something presentation
wise that is far better than what this can offer.

IMO paying money for "presentati on" is unwise. Typically one pays money
for sound design and efficient UI. Also typically, nothing created by
MS provides either of these, but I cannot speak for the Inventory
Template, having never used a Template. A quick glance shows a
Switchboard which is enough for me to send it to the shredder.

Given the need to check and, probably, correct MS's design and meet
special needs of the client I suppose one might get by with $10 000 USD
for this project.

If you pay less you will get a piece of crap in this world or you will
burn in the next for exploiting some bright and capable person.

I can never understand corporations or their management when they want
a program/database which will, essentially, DO their business and also
want to scrimp on cost, or more puzzling give the responsibility to
some hack whose major experience is the development of a couple Excel
Workbooks. What is strangest of all is the business which does no
investigatio n of "SUPREME and MAJESTIC DATA SOLUTIONS" at all; shortly
after the contract is signed SMDS posts here the most basic or most
non-sensical questions imaginable. It would be funny if it were not so
sad.

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[Rick Wannall]

On 7-Jun-2006, "Lyle Fairfield" <ly***********@ aim.com> wrote:

A quick glance shows a
Switchboard which is enough for me to send it to the shredder.
Amen.

I can never understand corporations or their management when they want
a program/database which will, essentially, DO their business and also
want to scrimp on cost, or more puzzling give the responsibility to
some hack whose major experience is the development of a couple Excel
Workbooks. What is strangest of all is the business which does no
investigation of "SUPREME and MAJESTIC DATA SOLUTIONS" at all; shortly
after the contract is signed SMDS posts here the most basic or most
non-sensical questions imaginable. It would be funny if it were not so
sad.

So absolutely completely correct!

[Rick Wannall]

IMO=In My Opinion

You will also see IMHO (In MyHumble Opinion), but rarely in this forum,
where honesty forbids such a disingenuous qualifier.