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I was following the thread "Re: Access Treeview - Is it Safe Yet?" with
interest and on reading the post describing Lauren Quantrell's
SmartTree, I've run into something I don't understand: Stored
Procedures. I thought stored pricedures were an Oracle/MS SQL Server
thing and don't know how they work with Access Jet. I've looked at some
of the help on stored procedures in A2003, but really don't understand
what's going on.

Can someone explain this in a relatively simple way?

Thanks very much in advance for anything on this.
--
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Nov 13 '05 #1
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Tim Marshall wrote:
I was following the thread "Re: Access Treeview - Is it Safe Yet?"
with interest and on reading the post describing Lauren Quantrell's
SmartTree, I've run into something I don't understand: Stored
Procedures. I thought stored pricedures were an Oracle/MS SQL Server
thing and don't know how they work with Access Jet. I've looked at
some of the help on stored procedures in A2003, but really don't
understand what's going on.

Can someone explain this in a relatively simple way?

Thanks very much in advance for anything on this.


You are correct. She is using an ADP (Access Project) linked to an SQL
server.
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regards,

Bradley

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Nov 13 '05 #2
"Tim Marshall" <TI****@PurpleP andaChasers.Moe rtherium> wrote
Stored Procedures. I thought stored procedures were an Oracle/MS SQL
Server thing and don't know how they work with Access Jet. I've looked at
some of the help on stored procedures in A2003, but really don't
understand what's going on.


I experimented with using stored procedures in an mdb-mdb FE-BE setup,
thinking that there might be some performance gain. After all the pain in
the butt to set them up using ADOX, I found that there was absolutely no
performance difference from a regular Jet stored query, and in fact, the
similarity in time was so very similar even over large tables that I suspect
that they are exactly the same internally in Jet.

In short, any text that says you can use stored procedures in Jet (4.0) is
wasting your time.
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Nov 13 '05 #3
Darryl Kerkeslager wrote:
"Tim Marshall" <TI****@PurpleP andaChasers.Moe rtherium> wrote

I experimented with using stored procedures in an mdb-mdb FE-BE setup,


Thanks very much to you, Darryl, and to Bradley, also.
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Tim http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~tmarshal/
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Nov 13 '05 #4
Jet MDB's support very simple stored procedures using
Jet or ODBC SQL and VB inbuilt functions.

When Jet MDB's are used with Access, you can also use
user defined functions built in VBA and stored in the
database.

But using Jet MDB's, you can't use Triggers or
Transact-SQL, the programming language of MS SQL Server.

Jet queries are procedures, and they are stored in the
database: they are stored procedures.

To many people, stored procedures aren't stored procedures
unless they say "procedure" at the top. Jet now has this
ability to store procedures with this magic word included.
The Access help files tell you how to create stored procedures
that have the word "procedure" at the top.
Access/Jet used to delete the redundant text if you put
"procedure" at the start of your stored SQL.
Today, the ability to use Declarative Referential Integrity
in SQL Server means that the most important demand for simple
stored procedures in SQL Server no longer exists. Today,
stored procedures in SQL Server are only used for complex
tasks, the kind of thing you would do in Access using a
VBA user defined function. That means that when SQL Server
people now talk about stored procedures, they are talking
about complex stored procedures, written in Transact-SQL.

The ability to create and store "procedures " in a Jet
MDB does not give you the ability to use Transact-SQL
or Triggers - the important features of Stored Procedures
in SQL Server.

Access/Jet does give you the ability to use VBA stored
procedures (like the next version of SQL Server will have),
but the VBA stored procedures aren't available to C++/ASP/VB/.NET
clients, so for all those people, Jet/MDB doesn't support
the kind of stored procedure that they would be interested in.
(david)

"Tim Marshall" <TI****@PurpleP andaChasers.Moe rtherium> wrote in message
news:dg******** **@coranto.ucs. mun.ca...
I was following the thread "Re: Access Treeview - Is it Safe Yet?" with
interest and on reading the post describing Lauren Quantrell's SmartTree,
I've run into something I don't understand: Stored Procedures. I thought
stored pricedures were an Oracle/MS SQL Server thing and don't know how
they work with Access Jet. I've looked at some of the help on stored
procedures in A2003, but really don't understand what's going on.

Can someone explain this in a relatively simple way?

Thanks very much in advance for anything on this.
--
Tim http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~tmarshal/
^o<
/#) "Burp-beep, burp-beep, burp-beep?" - Quaker Jake
/^^ "What's UP, Dittoooooo?" - Ditto

Nov 13 '05 #5
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:45:47 -0400, "Darryl Kerkeslager"
<ke*********@co mcast.net> wrote:
"Tim Marshall" <TI****@PurpleP andaChasers.Moe rtherium> wrote
Stored Procedures. I thought stored procedures were an Oracle/MS SQL
Server thing and don't know how they work with Access Jet. I've looked at
some of the help on stored procedures in A2003, but really don't
understand what's going on.


I experimented with using stored procedures in an mdb-mdb FE-BE setup,
thinking that there might be some performance gain. After all the pain in
the butt to set them up using ADOX, I found that there was absolutely no
performance difference from a regular Jet stored query, and in fact, the
similarity in time was so very similar even over large tables that I suspect
that they are exactly the same internally in Jet.


It is exactly as you say. In ADO, the metaphor for a stored action query is a
stored procedure. That's just the ADO language for the same thing.
Nov 13 '05 #6

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