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Hi

Just asking for ideas on table design.

The design I have is as follows:

*tblBuildData*
BuildID (PK) AutoNumber
ManufactureDate
SerialNumber
"
"

*tblRegistratio nData*
BuildID (PK) 1 - 1 from tblBuildData
RegID AutoNumber
RegDate
CustomerID
"
"

*tblWarrantyDat a*
WarrantyID (PK)
RegID (FK) from tblRegistration Data
ClaimDate
"
"

tblBuildData details everything about the machine when it comes out of the
factory and the tblRegistration Data details when the machine was registered
after the customer buys it so the reason why the 1 -1 relationship. Warranty
claims can only be made against machines that have been registered is
another reason why the registration details are separate from the other
machine data.

This design is now starting to kick me in the butt where I really notice it
now when my client wanted to be able to enter a claim against a machine if
it's unregistered if certain criteria was met. This wasn't foreseen a couple
of years ago was the system was designed. I got around this problem with
code by inserting a date in the RegDate field and then deleting the date so
the AutoNumber was created for the tblWarrantyData could then create a
record.

How would you have designed the tables?

I'll like to move all the fields from the tblRegistration Data to the
tblBuildData to simplify the design and improve reporting but that will be a
major with modifying all objects in the database and SQL in code that use
that table structure. About 350 objects.

Stewart
Nov 12 '05 #1
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"Stewart Allen" <sa****@NOT.wav e.THIS.co.nz> wrote in message
news:c8******** **@news.wave.co .nz...
Hi

Just asking for ideas on table design.

The design I have is as follows:

*tblBuildData*
BuildID (PK) AutoNumber
ManufactureDate
SerialNumber
"
"

*tblRegistratio nData*
BuildID (PK) 1 - 1 from tblBuildData
RegID AutoNumber
RegDate
CustomerID
"
"

*tblWarrantyDat a*
WarrantyID (PK)
RegID (FK) from tblRegistration Data
ClaimDate
"
"
How would you have designed the tables?

Probably with a single table.

I'll like to move all the fields from the tblRegistration Data to the
tblBuildData to simplify the design and improve reporting but that will be a major with modifying all objects in the database and SQL in code that use
that table structure. About 350 objects.

One option is to move add the extra columns to tblBuildData, delete
tblRegistration Data then create a query called tblRegistration Data using
tblBuildData. That way your existing code would not break until you have the
time to go through and replace all references to the query.


Nov 12 '05 #2
Hi Stewart,

If tblRegistration is truly 1-1 with tblBuild then get rid of field RegID
after you remove referential integrity. As always, make a backup of your
whole application before you start making changes. With the fields you
currently have it, tblRegistration looks like a junction table. A junction
table makes sense in a many to many situation. As you have explained things
it's a logical part of tblBuild.

If you make any changes to the schema there are likely to be changes
propogating throughout your application. However it shouldn't be too bad if
the back end is in Access. In this case, I'd be surprised if you're making
any meaningful use of RegID.

Are you aware that there are several that focus on specific parts of Access,
as well as this and another all-purpose Access newsgroup,
Microsoft.publi c.access.*

HTH
--
-Larry-
--

"Stewart Allen" <sa****@NOT.wav e.THIS.co.nz> wrote in message
news:c8******** **@news.wave.co .nz...
Hi

Just asking for ideas on table design.

The design I have is as follows:

*tblBuildData*
BuildID (PK) AutoNumber
ManufactureDate
SerialNumber
"
"

*tblRegistratio nData*
BuildID (PK) 1 - 1 from tblBuildData
RegID AutoNumber
RegDate
CustomerID
"
"

*tblWarrantyDat a*
WarrantyID (PK)
RegID (FK) from tblRegistration Data
ClaimDate
"
"

tblBuildData details everything about the machine when it comes out of the
factory and the tblRegistration Data details when the machine was registered after the customer buys it so the reason why the 1 -1 relationship. Warranty claims can only be made against machines that have been registered is
another reason why the registration details are separate from the other
machine data.

This design is now starting to kick me in the butt where I really notice it now when my client wanted to be able to enter a claim against a machine if
it's unregistered if certain criteria was met. This wasn't foreseen a couple of years ago was the system was designed. I got around this problem with
code by inserting a date in the RegDate field and then deleting the date so the AutoNumber was created for the tblWarrantyData could then create a
record.

How would you have designed the tables?

I'll like to move all the fields from the tblRegistration Data to the
tblBuildData to simplify the design and improve reporting but that will be a major with modifying all objects in the database and SQL in code that use
that table structure. About 350 objects.

Stewart

Nov 12 '05 #3
Hi John,

A single table is also what I was thinking about. Creating new fields in the
tblBuild, deleting the tblRegistration and creating a query sounds good.

Stewart
"John Winterbottom" <as******@hotma il.com> wrote in message
news:2g******** ****@uni-berlin.de...
"Stewart Allen" <sa****@NOT.wav e.THIS.co.nz> wrote in message
news:c8******** **@news.wave.co .nz...
Hi

Just asking for ideas on table design.

The design I have is as follows:

*tblBuildData*
BuildID (PK) AutoNumber
ManufactureDate
SerialNumber
"
"

*tblRegistratio nData*
BuildID (PK) 1 - 1 from tblBuildData
RegID AutoNumber
RegDate
CustomerID
"
"

*tblWarrantyDat a*
WarrantyID (PK)
RegID (FK) from tblRegistration Data
ClaimDate
"
"
How would you have designed the tables?

Probably with a single table.

I'll like to move all the fields from the tblRegistration Data to the
tblBuildData to simplify the design and improve reporting but that will be a
major with modifying all objects in the database and SQL in code that
use that table structure. About 350 objects.

One option is to move add the extra columns to tblBuildData, delete
tblRegistration Data then create a query called tblRegistration Data using
tblBuildData. That way your existing code would not break until you have

the time to go through and replace all references to the query.

Nov 12 '05 #4
Hi Larry,

I intend to move all the fields from tblRegistration into tblBuild and then
recreate all the queries and SQL in code. The back end is
Access which makes the process easier.

What I might do is to start making the changes in my own time with my copy
of the front end and a test copy of the back end. When everything is working
correctly, back up their copy of the data, add the fields and change the
relationships and then run a couple of update queries then give them the new
copy of the front end.

Stewart
"Larry Daugherty" <La************ ********@verizo n.net> wrote in message
news:1B******** ***********@nwr ddc02.gnilink.n et...
Hi Stewart,

If tblRegistration is truly 1-1 with tblBuild then get rid of field RegID
after you remove referential integrity. As always, make a backup of your
whole application before you start making changes. With the fields you
currently have it, tblRegistration looks like a junction table. A junction table makes sense in a many to many situation. As you have explained things it's a logical part of tblBuild.

If you make any changes to the schema there are likely to be changes
propogating throughout your application. However it shouldn't be too bad if the back end is in Access. In this case, I'd be surprised if you're making any meaningful use of RegID.

Are you aware that there are several that focus on specific parts of Access, as well as this and another all-purpose Access newsgroup,
Microsoft.publi c.access.*

HTH
--
-Larry-
--

"Stewart Allen" <sa****@NOT.wav e.THIS.co.nz> wrote in message
news:c8******** **@news.wave.co .nz...
Hi

Just asking for ideas on table design.

The design I have is as follows:

*tblBuildData*
BuildID (PK) AutoNumber
ManufactureDate
SerialNumber
"
"

*tblRegistratio nData*
BuildID (PK) 1 - 1 from tblBuildData
RegID AutoNumber
RegDate
CustomerID
"
"

*tblWarrantyDat a*
WarrantyID (PK)
RegID (FK) from tblRegistration Data
ClaimDate
"
"

tblBuildData details everything about the machine when it comes out of the factory and the tblRegistration Data details when the machine was registered
after the customer buys it so the reason why the 1 -1 relationship.

Warranty
claims can only be made against machines that have been registered is
another reason why the registration details are separate from the other
machine data.

This design is now starting to kick me in the butt where I really notice

it
now when my client wanted to be able to enter a claim against a machine if it's unregistered if certain criteria was met. This wasn't foreseen a

couple
of years ago was the system was designed. I got around this problem with
code by inserting a date in the RegDate field and then deleting the date

so
the AutoNumber was created for the tblWarrantyData could then create a
record.

How would you have designed the tables?

I'll like to move all the fields from the tblRegistration Data to the
tblBuildData to simplify the design and improve reporting but that will be a
major with modifying all objects in the database and SQL in code that

use that table structure. About 350 objects.

Stewart


Nov 12 '05 #5
Stewart,

Your planned approach is sound development practice except for the bit about
"on your time". Your company/client will be the beneficiary of the changes
you make. Why shouldn't company/client pay for the changes?

HTH
--
-Larry-
--

"Stewart Allen" <sa****@NOT.wav e.THIS.co.nz> wrote in message
news:c8******** **@news.wave.co .nz...
Hi Larry,

I intend to move all the fields from tblRegistration into tblBuild and then recreate all the queries and SQL in code. The back end is
Access which makes the process easier.

What I might do is to start making the changes in my own time with my copy
of the front end and a test copy of the back end. When everything is working correctly, back up their copy of the data, add the fields and change the
relationships and then run a couple of update queries then give them the new copy of the front end.

Stewart
"Larry Daugherty" <La************ ********@verizo n.net> wrote in message
news:1B******** ***********@nwr ddc02.gnilink.n et...
Hi Stewart,

If tblRegistration is truly 1-1 with tblBuild then get rid of field RegID
after you remove referential integrity. As always, make a backup of your whole application before you start making changes. With the fields you
currently have it, tblRegistration looks like a junction table. A junction
table makes sense in a many to many situation. As you have explained

things
it's a logical part of tblBuild.

If you make any changes to the schema there are likely to be changes
propogating throughout your application. However it shouldn't be too bad if
the back end is in Access. In this case, I'd be surprised if you're making
any meaningful use of RegID.

Are you aware that there are several that focus on specific parts of

Access,
as well as this and another all-purpose Access newsgroup,
Microsoft.publi c.access.*

HTH
--
-Larry-
--

"Stewart Allen" <sa****@NOT.wav e.THIS.co.nz> wrote in message
news:c8******** **@news.wave.co .nz...
Hi

Just asking for ideas on table design.

The design I have is as follows:

*tblBuildData*
BuildID (PK) AutoNumber
ManufactureDate
SerialNumber
"
"

*tblRegistratio nData*
BuildID (PK) 1 - 1 from tblBuildData
RegID AutoNumber
RegDate
CustomerID
"
"

*tblWarrantyDat a*
WarrantyID (PK)
RegID (FK) from tblRegistration Data
ClaimDate
"
"

tblBuildData details everything about the machine when it comes out of

the factory and the tblRegistration Data details when the machine was

registered
after the customer buys it so the reason why the 1 -1 relationship.

Warranty
claims can only be made against machines that have been registered is
another reason why the registration details are separate from the other machine data.

This design is now starting to kick me in the butt where I really notice it
now when my client wanted to be able to enter a claim against a
machine if it's unregistered if certain criteria was met. This wasn't foreseen a couple
of years ago was the system was designed. I got around this problem
with code by inserting a date in the RegDate field and then deleting the
date so
the AutoNumber was created for the tblWarrantyData could then create a
record.

How would you have designed the tables?

I'll like to move all the fields from the tblRegistration Data to the
tblBuildData to simplify the design and improve reporting but that

will be
a
major with modifying all objects in the database and SQL in code that

use that table structure. About 350 objects.

Stewart



Nov 12 '05 #6
I intended to mention about 2 emails back that there are some tools out
there that can be very helpful in making changes: Speed Ferret, a
commercial product and Find And Replace, a shareware product from Rick
Fisher. You can download Find And Replace from www.rickworld.com

--
-Larry-
--

"Stewart Allen" <sa****@NOT.wav e.THIS.co.nz> wrote in message
news:c8******** **@news.wave.co .nz...
Hi Larry,

I intend to move all the fields from tblRegistration into tblBuild and then recreate all the queries and SQL in code. The back end is
Access which makes the process easier.

What I might do is to start making the changes in my own time with my copy
of the front end and a test copy of the back end. When everything is working correctly, back up their copy of the data, add the fields and change the
relationships and then run a couple of update queries then give them the new copy of the front end.

Stewart
"Larry Daugherty" <La************ ********@verizo n.net> wrote in message
news:1B******** ***********@nwr ddc02.gnilink.n et...
Hi Stewart,

If tblRegistration is truly 1-1 with tblBuild then get rid of field RegID
after you remove referential integrity. As always, make a backup of your whole application before you start making changes. With the fields you
currently have it, tblRegistration looks like a junction table. A junction
table makes sense in a many to many situation. As you have explained

things
it's a logical part of tblBuild.

If you make any changes to the schema there are likely to be changes
propogating throughout your application. However it shouldn't be too bad if
the back end is in Access. In this case, I'd be surprised if you're making
any meaningful use of RegID.

Are you aware that there are several that focus on specific parts of

Access,
as well as this and another all-purpose Access newsgroup,
Microsoft.publi c.access.*

HTH
--
-Larry-
--

"Stewart Allen" <sa****@NOT.wav e.THIS.co.nz> wrote in message
news:c8******** **@news.wave.co .nz...
Hi

Just asking for ideas on table design.

The design I have is as follows:

*tblBuildData*
BuildID (PK) AutoNumber
ManufactureDate
SerialNumber
"
"

*tblRegistratio nData*
BuildID (PK) 1 - 1 from tblBuildData
RegID AutoNumber
RegDate
CustomerID
"
"

*tblWarrantyDat a*
WarrantyID (PK)
RegID (FK) from tblRegistration Data
ClaimDate
"
"

tblBuildData details everything about the machine when it comes out of

the factory and the tblRegistration Data details when the machine was

registered
after the customer buys it so the reason why the 1 -1 relationship.

Warranty
claims can only be made against machines that have been registered is
another reason why the registration details are separate from the other machine data.

This design is now starting to kick me in the butt where I really notice it
now when my client wanted to be able to enter a claim against a
machine if it's unregistered if certain criteria was met. This wasn't foreseen a couple
of years ago was the system was designed. I got around this problem
with code by inserting a date in the RegDate field and then deleting the
date so
the AutoNumber was created for the tblWarrantyData could then create a
record.

How would you have designed the tables?

I'll like to move all the fields from the tblRegistration Data to the
tblBuildData to simplify the design and improve reporting but that

will be
a
major with modifying all objects in the database and SQL in code that

use that table structure. About 350 objects.

Stewart



Nov 12 '05 #7
I'll still plan charge them. What I mean by in my own time is that since I
have a copy of the front and back ends, I can do it in my own time if my
client wants the changes instead of travelling to their premises. I have no
intention to do this much work and not get paid for it.

Stewart

"Larry Daugherty" <La************ ********@verizo n.net> wrote in message
news:dZ******** ***********@nwr ddc02.gnilink.n et...
Stewart,

Your planned approach is sound development practice except for the bit about "on your time". Your company/client will be the beneficiary of the changes you make. Why shouldn't company/client pay for the changes?

HTH
--
-Larry-
--

"Stewart Allen" <sa****@NOT.wav e.THIS.co.nz> wrote in message
news:c8******** **@news.wave.co .nz...
Hi Larry,

I intend to move all the fields from tblRegistration into tblBuild and

then
recreate all the queries and SQL in code. The back end is
Access which makes the process easier.

What I might do is to start making the changes in my own time with my copy
of the front end and a test copy of the back end. When everything is

working
correctly, back up their copy of the data, add the fields and change the
relationships and then run a couple of update queries then give them the

new
copy of the front end.

Stewart
"Larry Daugherty" <La************ ********@verizo n.net> wrote in message
news:1B******** ***********@nwr ddc02.gnilink.n et...
Hi Stewart,

If tblRegistration is truly 1-1 with tblBuild then get rid of field RegID after you remove referential integrity. As always, make a backup of your whole application before you start making changes. With the fields you currently have it, tblRegistration looks like a junction table. A

junction
table makes sense in a many to many situation. As you have explained

things
it's a logical part of tblBuild.

If you make any changes to the schema there are likely to be changes
propogating throughout your application. However it shouldn't be too bad
if
the back end is in Access. In this case, I'd be surprised if you're

making
any meaningful use of RegID.

Are you aware that there are several that focus on specific parts of

Access,
as well as this and another all-purpose Access newsgroup,
Microsoft.publi c.access.*

HTH
--
-Larry-
--

"Stewart Allen" <sa****@NOT.wav e.THIS.co.nz> wrote in message
news:c8******** **@news.wave.co .nz...
> Hi
>
> Just asking for ideas on table design.
>
> The design I have is as follows:
>
> *tblBuildData*
> BuildID (PK) AutoNumber
> ManufactureDate
> SerialNumber
> "
> "
>
> *tblRegistratio nData*
> BuildID (PK) 1 - 1 from tblBuildData
> RegID AutoNumber
> RegDate
> CustomerID
> "
> "
>
> *tblWarrantyDat a*
> WarrantyID (PK)
> RegID (FK) from tblRegistration Data
> ClaimDate
> "
> "
>
> tblBuildData details everything about the machine when it comes out of the
> factory and the tblRegistration Data details when the machine was
registered
> after the customer buys it so the reason why the 1 -1 relationship.
Warranty
> claims can only be made against machines that have been registered
is > another reason why the registration details are separate from the

other > machine data.
>
> This design is now starting to kick me in the butt where I really notice it
> now when my client wanted to be able to enter a claim against a machine
if
> it's unregistered if certain criteria was met. This wasn't foreseen a couple
> of years ago was the system was designed. I got around this problem

with > code by inserting a date in the RegDate field and then deleting the date so
> the AutoNumber was created for the tblWarrantyData could then create a > record.
>
> How would you have designed the tables?
>
> I'll like to move all the fields from the tblRegistration Data to the
> tblBuildData to simplify the design and improve reporting but that

will
be
a
> major with modifying all objects in the database and SQL in code

that use
> that table structure. About 350 objects.
>
> Stewart
>
>



Nov 12 '05 #8
Good idea. It would speed up the changes.

Stewart

"Larry Daugherty" <La************ ********@verizo n.net> wrote in message
news:S1******** ************@nw rddc02.gnilink. net...
I intended to mention about 2 emails back that there are some tools out
there that can be very helpful in making changes: Speed Ferret, a
commercial product and Find And Replace, a shareware product from Rick
Fisher. You can download Find And Replace from www.rickworld.com

--
-Larry-
--

"Stewart Allen" <sa****@NOT.wav e.THIS.co.nz> wrote in message
news:c8******** **@news.wave.co .nz...
Hi Larry,

I intend to move all the fields from tblRegistration into tblBuild and

then
recreate all the queries and SQL in code. The back end is
Access which makes the process easier.

What I might do is to start making the changes in my own time with my copy
of the front end and a test copy of the back end. When everything is

working
correctly, back up their copy of the data, add the fields and change the
relationships and then run a couple of update queries then give them the

new
copy of the front end.

Stewart
"Larry Daugherty" <La************ ********@verizo n.net> wrote in message
news:1B******** ***********@nwr ddc02.gnilink.n et...
Hi Stewart,

If tblRegistration is truly 1-1 with tblBuild then get rid of field RegID after you remove referential integrity. As always, make a backup of your whole application before you start making changes. With the fields you currently have it, tblRegistration looks like a junction table. A

junction
table makes sense in a many to many situation. As you have explained

things
it's a logical part of tblBuild.

If you make any changes to the schema there are likely to be changes
propogating throughout your application. However it shouldn't be too bad
if
the back end is in Access. In this case, I'd be surprised if you're

making
any meaningful use of RegID.

Are you aware that there are several that focus on specific parts of

Access,
as well as this and another all-purpose Access newsgroup,
Microsoft.publi c.access.*

HTH
--
-Larry-
--

"Stewart Allen" <sa****@NOT.wav e.THIS.co.nz> wrote in message
news:c8******** **@news.wave.co .nz...
> Hi
>
> Just asking for ideas on table design.
>
> The design I have is as follows:
>
> *tblBuildData*
> BuildID (PK) AutoNumber
> ManufactureDate
> SerialNumber
> "
> "
>
> *tblRegistratio nData*
> BuildID (PK) 1 - 1 from tblBuildData
> RegID AutoNumber
> RegDate
> CustomerID
> "
> "
>
> *tblWarrantyDat a*
> WarrantyID (PK)
> RegID (FK) from tblRegistration Data
> ClaimDate
> "
> "
>
> tblBuildData details everything about the machine when it comes out of the
> factory and the tblRegistration Data details when the machine was
registered
> after the customer buys it so the reason why the 1 -1 relationship.
Warranty
> claims can only be made against machines that have been registered
is > another reason why the registration details are separate from the

other > machine data.
>
> This design is now starting to kick me in the butt where I really notice it
> now when my client wanted to be able to enter a claim against a machine
if
> it's unregistered if certain criteria was met. This wasn't foreseen a couple
> of years ago was the system was designed. I got around this problem

with > code by inserting a date in the RegDate field and then deleting the date so
> the AutoNumber was created for the tblWarrantyData could then create a > record.
>
> How would you have designed the tables?
>
> I'll like to move all the fields from the tblRegistration Data to the
> tblBuildData to simplify the design and improve reporting but that

will
be
a
> major with modifying all objects in the database and SQL in code

that use
> that table structure. About 350 objects.
>
> Stewart
>
>



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ONU (Optical Network Unit) is one of the key components for providing high-speed Internet services. Its primary function is to act as an endpoint device located at the user's premises. However, people are often confused as to whether an ONU can Work As a Router. In this blog post, we’ll explore What is ONU, What Is Router, ONU & Router’s main usage, and What is the difference between ONU and Router. Let’s take a closer look ! Part I. Meaning of...
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by: Hystou | last post by:
Most computers default to English, but sometimes we require a different language, especially when relocating. Forgot to request a specific language before your computer shipped? No problem! You can effortlessly switch the default language on Windows 10 without reinstalling. I'll walk you through it. First, let's disable language synchronization. With a Microsoft account, language settings sync across devices. To prevent any complications,...
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jinu1996
by: jinu1996 | last post by:
In today's digital age, having a compelling online presence is paramount for businesses aiming to thrive in a competitive landscape. At the heart of this digital strategy lies an intricately woven tapestry of website design and digital marketing. It's not merely about having a website; it's about crafting an immersive digital experience that captivates audiences and drives business growth. The Art of Business Website Design Your website is...
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by: Hystou | last post by:
Overview: Windows 11 and 10 have less user interface control over operating system update behaviour than previous versions of Windows. In Windows 11 and 10, there is no way to turn off the Windows Update option using the Control Panel or Settings app; it automatically checks for updates and installs any it finds, whether you like it or not. For most users, this new feature is actually very convenient. If you want to control the update process,...
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agi2029
by: agi2029 | last post by:
Let's talk about the concept of autonomous AI software engineers and no-code agents. These AIs are designed to manage the entire lifecycle of a software development project—planning, coding, testing, and deployment—without human intervention. Imagine an AI that can take a project description, break it down, write the code, debug it, and then launch it, all on its own.... Now, this would greatly impact the work of software developers. The idea...
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isladogs
by: isladogs | last post by:
The next Access Europe User Group meeting will be on Wednesday 1 May 2024 starting at 18:00 UK time (6PM UTC+1) and finishing by 19:30 (7.30PM). In this session, we are pleased to welcome a new presenter, Adolph Dupré who will be discussing some powerful techniques for using class modules. He will explain when you may want to use classes instead of User Defined Types (UDT). For example, to manage the data in unbound forms. Adolph will...
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by: conductexam | last post by:
I have .net C# application in which I am extracting data from word file and save it in database particularly. To store word all data as it is I am converting the whole word file firstly in HTML and then checking html paragraph one by one. At the time of converting from word file to html my equations which are in the word document file was convert into image. Globals.ThisAddIn.Application.ActiveDocument.Select();...
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by: TSSRALBI | last post by:
Hello I'm a network technician in training and I need your help. I am currently learning how to create and manage the different types of VPNs and I have a question about LAN-to-LAN VPNs. The last exercise I practiced was to create a LAN-to-LAN VPN between two Pfsense firewalls, by using IPSEC protocols. I succeeded, with both firewalls in the same network. But I'm wondering if it's possible to do the same thing, with 2 Pfsense firewalls...
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by: 6302768590 | last post by:
Hai team i want code for transfer the data from one system to another through IP address by using C# our system has to for every 5mins then we have to update the data what the data is updated we have to send another system

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