Ternary Operator?

[Arthur Dent]

Hi all, im just curious if anyone knows.....
With .NET 2, VB didnt happen to get a true ternary operator, did it? Stuck
away in a corner somewhere?
By ternary, i mean something like C's a?b:c syntax.
IIf works in most cases, but in some instances you want to use expressions
which may fail if they are evaluated when they arent supposed to be, and it
would be nice to have a concise way of writing this instead of using a whole
If-Then-Else block.

Cheers all,
- Arthur Dent.

[Andrew Morton]

Arthur Dent wrote:

Hi all, im just curious if anyone knows.....
With .NET 2, VB didnt happen to get a true ternary operator, did it?
Stuck away in a corner somewhere?
By ternary, i mean something like C's a?b:c syntax.
IIf works in most cases, but in some instances you want to use
expressions which may fail if they are evaluated when they arent
supposed to be, and it would be nice to have a concise way of writing
this instead of using a whole If-Then-Else block.

Perhaps you're looking for AndAlso and OrElse which do the evaluation
short-circuiting it sounds like you want.

If False AndAlso thisNeverGetsCalled() then...

If True OrElse thisNeverGetsCalled() then...

Andrew

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

"Arthur Dent" <hi*********************@yahoo.com> schrieb:

With .NET 2, VB didnt happen to get a true ternary operator, did it? Stuck
away in a corner somewhere?
By ternary, i mean something like C's a?b:c syntax.

VB's equivalent is

\\\
If x Then
o = a
Else
o = b
End If
///

which can be written as 'If x Then o = a Else o = b'.

--
M S Herfried K. Wagner
M V P <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>
V B <URL:http://classicvb.org/petition/>

[Cor Ligthert [MVP]]

Arthur,

I would not tell this as like C, it is more syntax from older
spreadsheetprograms where everything had to be done in one cell..

Cor

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Hi all, im just curious if anyone knows.....
With .NET 2, VB didnt happen to get a true ternary operator, did it? Stuck
away in a corner somewhere?
By ternary, i mean something like C's a?b:c syntax.
IIf works in most cases, but in some instances you want to use expressions
which may fail if they are evaluated when they arent supposed to be, and
it would be nice to have a concise way of writing this instead of using a
whole If-Then-Else block.

Cheers all,
- Arthur Dent.

[Tim Ferguson]

"Arthur Dent" <hi*********************@yahoo.com> wrote in
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By ternary, i mean something like C's a?b:c syntax.

I think that IIf is still available:

Return CStr(IIf(testMe > 1000, "Large", "Small"))

It's in the help files. Is it deprecated for some reason?

Tim F

[David Anton]

Right - there is no ternary operator.
IIf is clumsy for ther reasons you mention.
The closest functional equivalent is If/Else blocks (but rather unwieldy for
the kind of things you'd use the ternary operator for).
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"Arthur Dent" wrote:

Hi all, im just curious if anyone knows.....
With .NET 2, VB didnt happen to get a true ternary operator, did it? Stuck
away in a corner somewhere?
By ternary, i mean something like C's a?b:c syntax.
IIf works in most cases, but in some instances you want to use expressions
which may fail if they are evaluated when they arent supposed to be, and it
would be nice to have a concise way of writing this instead of using a whole
If-Then-Else block.

Cheers all,
- Arthur Dent.

[Arthur Dent]

Nice to hear someone who knows why i would want it. Most people usually say
"just use an if-then-else" which works, but is clumsy.
At least i am not the only one who gets it. :)
"David Anton" <Da********@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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Right - there is no ternary operator.
IIf is clumsy for ther reasons you mention.
The closest functional equivalent is If/Else blocks (but rather unwieldy
for
the kind of things you'd use the ternary operator for).
--
David Anton
www.tangiblesoftwaresolutions.com
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"Arthur Dent" wrote:

Hi all, im just curious if anyone knows.....
With .NET 2, VB didnt happen to get a true ternary operator, did it?
Stuck
away in a corner somewhere?
By ternary, i mean something like C's a?b:c syntax.
IIf works in most cases, but in some instances you want to use
expressions
which may fail if they are evaluated when they arent supposed to be, and
it
would be nice to have a concise way of writing this instead of using a
whole
If-Then-Else block.

Cheers all,
- Arthur Dent.

[Arthur Dent]

Thanks for the tip.... i love the new short circuited booleans, but hadnt
thought of using them as ternary operatory replacements.
Still not quite as elegent, but it will work better than a whole
if-then-else block.

Thanks!

"Andrew Morton" <ak*@in-press.co.uk.invalid> wrote in message
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Arthur Dent wrote:

Hi all, im just curious if anyone knows.....
With .NET 2, VB didnt happen to get a true ternary operator, did it?
Stuck away in a corner somewhere?
By ternary, i mean something like C's a?b:c syntax.
IIf works in most cases, but in some instances you want to use
expressions which may fail if they are evaluated when they arent
supposed to be, and it would be nice to have a concise way of writing
this instead of using a whole If-Then-Else block.

Perhaps you're looking for AndAlso and OrElse which do the evaluation
short-circuiting it sounds like you want.

If False AndAlso thisNeverGetsCalled() then...

If True OrElse thisNeverGetsCalled() then...

Andrew

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

"Arthur Dent" <hi*********************@yahoo.com> schrieb:

Nice to hear someone who knows why i would want it. Most people usually
say "just use an if-then-else" which works, but is clumsy.

'If...Then...Else...' will some in many cases, but not in all. That's true.

--
M S Herfried K. Wagner
M V P <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>
V B <URL:http://classicvb.org/petition/>

[Mythran]

"Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]" <hi***************@gmx.at> wrote in message
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"Arthur Dent" <hi*********************@yahoo.com> schrieb:

Nice to hear someone who knows why i would want it. Most people usually
say "just use an if-then-else" which works, but is clumsy.

'If...Then...Else...' will some in many cases, but not in all. That's
true.

--
M S Herfried K. Wagner
M V P <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>
V B <URL:http://classicvb.org/petition/>

Just use C#! :P And no, there is no terd...err...ternary operator ...
unfortunately...IIf is as close as you can get but is dangerous for obvious
reasons. I wish there were ternary in VB.Net (as well as all other
languages too!)...

Mythran

[Cor Ligthert [MVP]]

Mythran,

Maybe can you than use the Eval function and use JScript.

http://www.vb-tips.com/default.aspx?...1-2b03e1a439ae

I hope this helps,

Cor

[guy]

lol:)

"Cor Ligthert [MVP]" wrote:

Mythran,

Maybe can you than use the Eval function and use JScript.

http://www.vb-tips.com/default.aspx?...1-2b03e1a439ae

I hope this helps,

Cor

[guy]

i used to agree with you, but i must admit it ainitially looks clumsy but
If...
stuff
Else
....morestuff
End If

reads clearer than a ternary construct a year later

regards Ford

btw

42 = 6 x 9 in base 13 :))

"Arthur Dent" wrote:

Hi all, im just curious if anyone knows.....
With .NET 2, VB didnt happen to get a true ternary operator, did it? Stuck
away in a corner somewhere?
By ternary, i mean something like C's a?b:c syntax.
IIf works in most cases, but in some instances you want to use expressions
which may fail if they are evaluated when they arent supposed to be, and it
would be nice to have a concise way of writing this instead of using a whole
If-Then-Else block.

Cheers all,
- Arthur Dent.

[Jay B. Harlow [MVP - Outlook]]

Tim,
| It's in the help files. Is it deprecated for some reason?
IIf is not deprecated, however you need to be aware of how to use it!

Its a function!!! Which means that both operands are evaluated.

For example:

Dim index As Integer = 1000

Dim list(100) as String
Dim value As String = IIf(index < list.Length, list(index), "out of
range")

Will cause an index out of range exception as list(index) will be evaluated
& passed to the IIf function, the function then returns either the true part
of the false part...
IIf has a couple of other "problems", its not Option Strict On friendly and
it's parameters & return value are Object. In other words with Option Strict
On, I would need to cast the return value above back to String. The
parameters being Object, means that value types (structures) will be boxed &
unboxed when you call IIf, which itself may be a slight performance problem
and will add pressure to the GC...
If your using .NET 2.0 I would recommend a Generic IIf instead:

http://www.tsbradley.net/Cookbook/Ge...enericIIf.aspx

My generic IIf avoids the Option Strict On & Object boxing problems, however
its still a function.

--
Hope this helps
Jay [MVP - Outlook]
..NET Application Architect, Enthusiast, & Evangelist
T.S. Bradley - http://www.tsbradley.net
"Tim Ferguson" <Fe********@softhome.net> wrote in message
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| "Arthur Dent" <hi*********************@yahoo.com> wrote in
| news:OB**************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl:
|
| > By ternary, i mean something like C's a?b:c syntax.
|
| I think that IIf is still available:
|
| Return CStr(IIf(testMe > 1000, "Large", "Small"))
|
| It's in the help files. Is it deprecated for some reason?
|
| Tim F
|

[Jay B. Harlow [MVP - Outlook]]

| I wish there were ternary in VB.Net (as well as all other
| languages too!)...
I would like to see a true ternary operator in VB.NET, however I don't want
something as "obscure" as C's "a?b:c"

I like the IIf syntax, however its a function, changing it to an actual
inline operator may break code. (of course in many cases that breakage may
actually be helping the code ;-))

--
Hope this helps
Jay [MVP - Outlook]
..NET Application Architect, Enthusiast, & Evangelist
T.S. Bradley - http://www.tsbradley.net
"Mythran" <ki********@hotmail.comREMOVETRAIL> wrote in message
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|
| "Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]" <hi***************@gmx.at> wrote in message
| news:Og****************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
| > "Arthur Dent" <hi*********************@yahoo.com> schrieb:
| >> Nice to hear someone who knows why i would want it. Most people usually
| >> say "just use an if-then-else" which works, but is clumsy.
| >
| > 'If...Then...Else...' will some in many cases, but not in all. That's
| > true.
| >
| > --
| > M S Herfried K. Wagner
| > M V P <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>
| > V B <URL:http://classicvb.org/petition/>
|
| Just use C#! :P And no, there is no terd...err...ternary operator ...
| unfortunately...IIf is as close as you can get but is dangerous for
obvious
| reasons. I wish there were ternary in VB.Net (as well as all other
| languages too!)...
|
| Mythran
|

[Tim Ferguson]

"Jay B. Harlow [MVP - Outlook]" <Ja************@tsbradley.net> wrote in
news:#C**************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl:

Its a function!!! Which means that both operands are evaluated.

Whoops: I knew that... teach me to read the question a bit more closely!

B Wishes

Tim F