C# & VB-> General Questions

[Hareth]

C# 2005 express & vb 2005 express:
1. During runtime, I can edit my codes in C#..... How come this cannot be
done in VB? it says ...."read-only" during runtime......

2. Why does vb automatically show the errors, but C# i have to build the app
b4 errors are underlined in my code?

[Tom Dacon]

So, Hareth, if you're still following this discussion, did you find out what
you wanted to know?

Any further questions?

Tom Dacon
Dacon Software Consulting

"Hareth" <ab******@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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C# 2005 express & vb 2005 express:
1. During runtime, I can edit my codes in C#..... How come this cannot be
done in VB? it says ...."read-only" during runtime......

2. Why does vb automatically show the errors, but C# i have to build the
app b4 errors are underlined in my code?

[Tom Dacon]

Hey, Daniel, let's call a truce on this. This is getting to the point where
it's no longer an invigorating exchange of ideas, and has stopped being
either illuminating or fun.

I'll use it and make what I think is good use of it, you're free to ignore
it even when it becomes available, and we let all these other folks make up
their own minds by trying it out and seeing whether it works for them.

Of all things, I don't like the idea of this community of developers making
decisions based on mere hearsay. Sure you've got strong opinions about what
you perceive as the lack of value of the feature, I've got my own ideas
about it that differ from yours. I'm happy to see everyone else make up
their own minds based on their own experiences, informed by the opinions
they've read about it here and, I hope, elsewhere.

How's that sound?

Tom Dacon
Dacon Software Consulting
"Daniel O'Connell [C# MVP]" <[e-mail]> wrote in
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And you have yet to post any point what so ever. Your posts run between Ad
Hominem attacks and empty "good going" responses.

Worse yet, *YOUR* response was
"EXCELLENT POINT ! Best point made in this thread."

In other words, his opinion was somehow a good one while my disagreeing
one was distrustworthy? Is it perhaps that you believe the earlier opinoin
while disagree with mine? Do you not see how self-serving your stance is
here?

I'm sorry, you aren't here to participate in discussion or even listen,
you are entirely concerned with supporting something based on your own raw
bias instead of facts or even well formed arguments. All you are trying to
do is discredit everyone who disagree's with you by any means possible.

And that is disgusting.

regards
roy fine

[Jon Skeet [C# MVP]]

Dennis <De****@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

It's been an ineresting discussion to follow. Speaking from an end
user's point of view, I couldn't care less how sloppy the code is nor
what form it's in, I just want a simple interface for the enduser and
an application that is bug free.
But the sloppier the code is, the harder it is to maintain and to find
bugs. Clean code is a means to an end, the end being a better
application with fewer bugs.
Maybe a bit more use of debuggers would help because there's a lot
of software out there that's not intuitive to use and is very buggy!

Or perhaps a bit more thinking at the design stage coupled with more
testing would help... randomly going into the debugger isn't going to
fix bugs. You've got to know they're there to start with.

--
Jon Skeet - <sk***@pobox.com>
http://www.pobox.com/~skeet
If replying to the group, please do not mail me too

[Jon Skeet [C# MVP]]

Tom Dacon <td****@community.nospam> wrote:

Hey, Daniel, let's call a truce on this. This is getting to the point where
it's no longer an invigorating exchange of ideas, and has stopped being
either illuminating or fun.

I'll use it and make what I think is good use of it, you're free to ignore
it even when it becomes available, and we let all these other folks make up
their own minds by trying it out and seeing whether it works for them.

Of all things, I don't like the idea of this community of developers making
decisions based on mere hearsay. Sure you've got strong opinions about what
you perceive as the lack of value of the feature, I've got my own ideas
about it that differ from yours. I'm happy to see everyone else make up
their own minds based on their own experiences, informed by the opinions
they've read about it here and, I hope, elsewhere.

How's that sound?

Lack of value of a feature is one thing - when a feature is downright
dangerous (as Daniel and I believe it is), that's a different matter.
It's fine for people who don't like the feature to ignore it - but
Daniel and I aren't so much worried for our own code as for the people
who *don't* ignore it, but who misuse it and write sloppy code which
possibly we'll have to end up working with.

I'll continue to recommend that people think very carefully before
using it...

--
Jon Skeet - <sk***@pobox.com>
http://www.pobox.com/~skeet
If replying to the group, please do not mail me too

[Tom Dacon]

>

Lack of value of a feature is one thing - when a feature is downright
dangerous (as Daniel and I believe it is), that's a different matter.
It's fine for people who don't like the feature to ignore it - but
Daniel and I aren't so much worried for our own code as for the people
who *don't* ignore it, but who misuse it and write sloppy code which
possibly we'll have to end up working with.

I'll continue to recommend that people think very carefully before
using it...

Jon, and Daniel, I'm pretty much done with this discussion, but as a final
comment I'll just say that if they're going to write sloppy code they'll do
it with or without E&C (interestingly, this is the other side of the coin
that a previous observation was engraved on). Personally, I've always found
that the best solutions to bad coding practices have been education and
mentorship. I fail to see that a prohibition against a single particular
feature of the development environment.addresses that core issue, but then
perhaps my experiences have been different from yours.

And there I said I wasn't going to keep going on this...human nature's a
funny thing, no?

Best regards,
Tom Dacon
Dacon Software Consulting

[Hareth]

Thanx for all the insight....I got the idea.....

I'm just surprised how far this post went.....I started WWIII, and I don't
even know which button I pressed!

Anyway,

I'm innocent...lol

Hareth

"Hareth" <ab******@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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C# 2005 express & vb 2005 express:
1. During runtime, I can edit my codes in C#..... How come this cannot be
done in VB? it says ...."read-only" during runtime......

2. Why does vb automatically show the errors, but C# i have to build the
app b4 errors are underlined in my code?