3D & web application ?

[FreeStyler]

I was thinking about lerning web application through the creating the site
which will enable the users to upload, download and viewing the 3D models
created in 3DStudio, Maya etc. What do you think about idea ? Does make
sense ? Does something like that exist? Will viewing (zooming, rotating...)
works in web environment? I find with google only 3D viewer applets, but no
signs of web application, or I google with the wrong words ?

[Tony Burrows]

On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:53:42 +0200, FreeStyler wrote:

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I was thinking about lerning web application through the creating the site
which will enable the users to upload, download and viewing the 3D models
created in 3DStudio, Maya etc. What do you think about idea ? Does make
sense ? Does something like that exist? Will viewing (zooming, rotating...)
works in web environment? I find with google only 3D viewer applets, but no
signs of web application, or I google with the wrong words ?

There have been a number of web pages using 3D with either VRML or X3D.
The advantage with those is that they are viewable with a simple browser
plug-in and are not tied to a vendor. There is also Java 3D which has a
plug-in.

In both cases, the 3D would be cross platform. With 3DStudio I don't
think there is an appropriate viewer for Linux users, and the same could
be true for Maya.

Tony

[Oliver Wong]

"FreeStyler" <pa****@po.t-com.hrwrote in message
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I was thinking about lerning web application through the creating the site
which will enable the users to upload, download and viewing the 3D models
created in 3DStudio, Maya etc. What do you think about idea ? Does make
sense ? Does something like that exist? Will viewing (zooming,
rotating...)
works in web environment? I find with google only 3D viewer applets, but
no
signs of web application, or I google with the wrong words ?

Unless you want to somehow convert the 3D Models to VRML (sounds
difficult and painful), you're going to either need an applet to render the
3D models, or a flash animation, or something similar (could it be done in
Ajax? Again, sounds difficult and painful).

But for the web app itself, it probably doesn't need to be aware of the
fact that the files its managing are 3D models at all. You could get any
arbitrary generic CMS (Content Management System) which would allow users to
upload files, and it would keep track of authors, number of downloads,
ratings, description, etc. stuff like that. You would just have to add a
tiny bit of code to link to your 3D viewing applet.

- Oliver

[FreeStyler]

"Oliver Wong" <ow***@castortech.comje napisao u poruci interesnoj
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"FreeStyler" <pa****@po.t-com.hrwrote in message
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I was thinking about lerning web application through the creating the

site

which will enable the users to upload, download and viewing the 3D

models

created in 3DStudio, Maya etc. What do you think about idea ? Does make
sense ? Does something like that exist? Will viewing (zooming,
rotating...)
works in web environment? I find with google only 3D viewer applets, but
no
signs of web application, or I google with the wrong words ?

Unless you want to somehow convert the 3D Models to VRML (sounds
difficult and painful), you're going to either need an applet to render

the

3D models, or a flash animation, or something similar (could it be done in
Ajax? Again, sounds difficult and painful).

But for the web app itself, it probably doesn't need to be aware of

the

fact that the files its managing are 3D models at all. You could get any
arbitrary generic CMS (Content Management System) which would allow users

to

upload files, and it would keep track of authors, number of downloads,
ratings, description, etc. stuff like that. You would just have to add a
tiny bit of code to link to your 3D viewing applet.

- Oliver

few 3Dstudio modelers ask me another question about 3D. They want to know
can I make the application (web or desktop, it doesn't matter) which allow
the user to "move it" through the 3D space which they make with the 3DStudio
(the family house, for example).

[Oliver Wong]

"FreeStyler" <pa****@po.t-com.hrwrote in message
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few 3Dstudio modelers ask me another question about 3D. They want to know
can I make the application (web or desktop, it doesn't matter) which allow
the user to "move it" through the 3D space which they make with the
3DStudio
(the family house, for example).

Basically, you want to have one 3D model (e.g. a person) and another 3D
model (a house), and you want it so that when buttons on the keyboard are
pressed, the person-model is moved, but the house-mouse doesn't move (but
perhaps the camera will follow the person around), right?

Doing this via DHTML will be extremely painful. Doing it via Flash or
Java applets will be moderately painful. You're essentially implementing a
very simple game here.

- Oliver

[FreeStyler]

"Oliver Wong" <ow***@castortech.comje napisao u poruci interesnoj
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"FreeStyler" <pa****@po.t-com.hrwrote in message
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few 3Dstudio modelers ask me another question about 3D. They want to

know

can I make the application (web or desktop, it doesn't matter) which

allow

the user to "move it" through the 3D space which they make with the
3DStudio
(the family house, for example).

Basically, you want to have one 3D model (e.g. a person) and another

3D

model (a house), and you want it so that when buttons on the keyboard are
pressed, the person-model is moved, but the house-mouse doesn't move (but
perhaps the camera will follow the person around), right?

Doing this via DHTML will be extremely painful. Doing it via Flash or
Java applets will be moderately painful. You're essentially implementing a
very simple game here.

- Oliver

So the easiest way that 3D modeller can present its work is creating the
..avi movie which will drive the customer (of the house) through the model.
But still arhitects doesn't have the presentation tool for moving through
its model by the will of customer. Stuipid or not they looking for an
application which could handle with its 3D models of the house.

[Oliver Wong]

"FreeStyler" <pa****@po.t-com.hrwrote in message
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"Oliver Wong" <ow***@castortech.comje napisao u poruci interesnoj

> Doing this via DHTML will be extremely painful. Doing it via Flash or
Java applets will be moderately painful. You're essentially implementing
a
very simple game here.

- Oliver

So the easiest way that 3D modeller can present its work is creating the
.avi movie which will drive the customer (of the house) through the model.
But still arhitects doesn't have the presentation tool for moving through
its model by the will of customer. Stuipid or not they looking for an
application which could handle with its 3D models of the house.

So go ahead and write this mini-game engine.

- Oliver

[FreeStyler]

"Oliver Wong" <ow***@castortech.comje napisao u poruci interesnoj
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"FreeStyler" <pa****@po.t-com.hrwrote in message
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"Oliver Wong" <ow***@castortech.comje napisao u poruci interesnoj

Doing this via DHTML will be extremely painful. Doing it via Flash

or

Java applets will be moderately painful. You're essentially

implementing

a
very simple game here.

- Oliver

So the easiest way that 3D modeller can present its work is creating the
.avi movie which will drive the customer (of the house) through the

model.

But still arhitects doesn't have the presentation tool for moving

through

its model by the will of customer. Stuipid or not they looking for an
application which could handle with its 3D models of the house.

So go ahead and write this mini-game engine.

- Oliver

You scared me:)), I thought that it isn't so complicated, especilly when no
one choose java for making 3D engine. I have just only one conclusion and
you correct me if I'm wrong: textures and shapes of 3DStudio works are
pretty amazing while all todays games (wrote in C++ I suppose) are not. So
even I write mini games engine it will not so amazing as I thought.

[Oliver Wong]

"FreeStyler" <pa****@po.t-com.hrwrote in message
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"Oliver Wong" <ow***@castortech.comje napisao u poruci interesnoj

>>
So go ahead and write this mini-game engine.

You scared me:)), I thought that it isn't so complicated, especilly when
no
one choose java for making 3D engine. I have just only one conclusion and
you correct me if I'm wrong: textures and shapes of 3DStudio works are
pretty amazing while all todays games (wrote in C++ I suppose) are not. So
even I write mini games engine it will not so amazing as I thought.

Writing a 3D game is difficult, no matter what language you use. The fact
that you want to do it in an applet makes it even more difficult. But it's
very possible to write 3D games in Java.

http://www.bytonic.de/html/jake2.html
https://jge.dev.java.net/
http://www.jmonkeyengine.com/index.p...d=68&Itemid=84

- Oliver

[Gabriel Claramunt]

Did you check if there's a browser plugin to view 3DStudio models?
I remember long time ago working with a plugin to render and navigate
Autocad models...
(So you don't need to reinvent the wheel)

"FreeStyler" <pa****@po.t-com.hrwrote in message
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"Oliver Wong" <ow***@castortech.comje napisao u poruci interesnoj
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"FreeStyler" <pa****@po.t-com.hrwrote in message
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>
I was thinking about lerning web application through the creating the

site

which will enable the users to upload, download and viewing the 3D

models

created in 3DStudio, Maya etc. What do you think about idea ? Does make
sense ? Does something like that exist? Will viewing (zooming,
rotating...)
works in web environment? I find with google only 3D viewer applets,
but
no
signs of web application, or I google with the wrong words ?

Unless you want to somehow convert the 3D Models to VRML (sounds
difficult and painful), you're going to either need an applet to render

the

>3D models, or a flash animation, or something similar (could it be done
in
Ajax? Again, sounds difficult and painful).

But for the web app itself, it probably doesn't need to be aware of

the

>fact that the files its managing are 3D models at all. You could get any
arbitrary generic CMS (Content Management System) which would allow users

to

>upload files, and it would keep track of authors, number of downloads,
ratings, description, etc. stuff like that. You would just have to add a
tiny bit of code to link to your 3D viewing applet.

- Oliver

few 3Dstudio modelers ask me another question about 3D. They want to know
can I make the application (web or desktop, it doesn't matter) which allow
the user to "move it" through the 3D space which they make with the
3DStudio
(the family house, for example).

[FreeStyler]

"Oliver Wong" <ow***@castortech.comje napisao u poruci interesnoj
grupi:6c40h.37213$P7.29095@edtnps89...

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"Oliver Wong" <ow***@castortech.comje napisao u poruci interesnoj

>
So go ahead and write this mini-game engine.

You scared me:)), I thought that it isn't so complicated, especilly when
no
one choose java for making 3D engine. I have just only one conclusion

and

you correct me if I'm wrong: textures and shapes of 3DStudio works are
pretty amazing while all todays games (wrote in C++ I suppose) are not.

So

even I write mini games engine it will not so amazing as I thought.

Writing a 3D game is difficult, no matter what language you use. The fact
that you want to do it in an applet makes it even more difficult. But it's
very possible to write 3D games in Java.

http://www.bytonic.de/html/jake2.html
https://jge.dev.java.net/

http://www.jmonkeyengine.com/index.p...=view&id=68&It
emid=84

>
- Oliver

The links above are incredible. As a young boy I always have a wish to make
games but unfortunatelly life ask me to learn about business application and
know I don't anything about 3D. Thank you on links. I will spend some night
hours to investigate these sites.