"Dock" a menu?

[Steve]

Is it possible to "dock" a menu, to basically achieve the same effect as
frames without using frames? Is JavaScript required(to continually
reposition the element), or can it all be achieved using CSS?

Thanks,
Steve

[Neal]

On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:12:04 -0700, Steve <ng*****@digitalnothing.com>
wrote:

Is it possible to "dock" a menu, to basically achieve the same effect as
frames without using frames?
If you're referring to screwing up bookmarking and the usability problems,
nothing beats frames.

If you're referring to having a permanently positioned navigation area,
sort of. With SSI or PHP, you can include the code for the nav area in
each page, and then use CSS to position it where you want eternally.
Is JavaScript required(to continually reposition the element), or can it
all be achieved using CSS?

All CSS. Never, ever rely on Javascript. It's an enhancement, never a
requirement.

[Alexander Fischer]

Steve wrote:

Is it possible to "dock" a menu, to basically achieve the same effect as
frames without using frames? Is JavaScript required(to continually
reposition the element), or can it all be achieved using CSS?

Check out "position: fixed".
Beware, however, that today's versions of a certain well-known browser
from Redmond don't yet support this.... :-(

[Chris Morris]

Neal <ne*****@yahoo.com> writes:

On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:12:04 -0700, Steve <ng*****@digitalnothing.com>
wrote:

Is JavaScript required(to continually reposition the element), or
can it all be achieved using CSS?

All CSS. Never, ever rely on Javascript. It's an enhancement, never a
requirement.

Never, ever rely on CSS. It's an enhancement, never a requirement.

--
Chris

[Lauri Raittila]

Chris Morris wrote;

Neal <ne*****@yahoo.com> writes:

On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:12:04 -0700, Steve <ng*****@digitalnothing.com>
wrote:

Is JavaScript required(to continually reposition the element), or
can it all be achieved using CSS?

All CSS. Never, ever rely on Javascript. It's an enhancement, never a
requirement.

Never, ever rely on CSS. It's an enhancement, never a requirement.

And in this case, it is easy to make it so. As if person doesn't have Js
of CSS, he will (if don't that is big problem) have normal menu. Normal
menu is usually much better than docked, so no problem...
--
Lauri Raittila <http://www.iki.fi/lr> <http://www.iki.fi/zwak/fonts>

[Steve]

Alexander Fischer wrote:

Steve wrote:

Is it possible to "dock" a menu, to basically achieve the same effect
as frames without using frames? Is JavaScript required(to continually
reposition the element), or can it all be achieved using CSS?

Check out "position: fixed".
Beware, however, that today's versions of a certain well-known browser
from Redmond don't yet support this.... :-(

Can you point me to any known workarounds if any? This is for an
intranet site, and JS is already a requirement, so if it's necessary it
won't be a problem.

Thanks,
Steve

[Phil Evans]

Steve wrote:

Alexander Fischer wrote:

Steve wrote:

Is it possible to "dock" a menu, to basically achieve the same effect
as frames without using frames? Is JavaScript required(to continually
reposition the element), or can it all be achieved using CSS?

Check out "position: fixed".
Beware, however, that today's versions of a certain well-known browser
from Redmond don't yet support this.... :-(

Can you point me to any known workarounds if any? This is for an
intranet site, and JS is already a requirement, so if it's necessary it
won't be a problem.

http://devnull.tagsoup.com/fixed/ has a good workaround and explanation
thereof

P

[Christoph Paeper]

Steve <ng*****@digitalnothing.com>:

Alexander Fischer wrote:

Check out "position: fixed".
Beware, however, that [IE] don't yet support this.... :-(
Can you point me to any known workarounds if any? This is for an
intranet site,

The best workaround is easy: install a browser, which deserves that title.
and JS is already a requirement, so if it's necessary it won't be a
problem.

Otherwise you might want to try out <http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/>, a JS
patch collection for IE*5+.

--
"Put it back in the horse!"
H. Allen Smith, after he drank his first American beer at a bar

[Christoph Paeper]

Steve <ng*****@digitalnothing.com>:

Alexander Fischer wrote:

Check out "position: fixed".
Beware, however, that [IE] don't yet support this.... :-(
Can you point me to any known workarounds if any? This is for an
intranet site,

The best workaround is easy: install a browser, which deserves that title.
and JS is already a requirement, so if it's necessary it won't be a
problem.

Otherwise you might want to try out <http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/>, a JS
patch collection for IE*5+.

--
To the optimist, the glass is half full.
To the pessimist, the glass is half empty.
To the engineer, the glass has an appropriate reserve space.
To the economist, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

[Neal]

Chris Morris <c.********@durham.ac.uk> wrote:

Neal <ne*****@yahoo.com> writes:

Steve wrote:

> Is JavaScript required(to continually reposition the element), or
> can it all be achieved using CSS?

All CSS. Never, ever rely on Javascript. It's an enhancement, never a
requirement.

Never, ever rely on CSS. It's an enhancement, never a requirement.

Touche. But for the OP's purposes, CSS is the correct method.

If JS is not present, the result is a mess. If CSS is not present, the
page degrades, hopefully well if designed that way.

[Lauri Raittila]

Neal wrote;

Chris Morris <c.********@durham.ac.uk> wrote:

Neal <ne*****@yahoo.com> writes:

Steve wrote:
> Is JavaScript required(to continually reposition the element), or
> can it all be achieved using CSS?
All CSS. Never, ever rely on Javascript. It's an enhancement, never a
requirement. Never, ever rely on CSS. It's an enhancement, never a requirement.

Touche. But for the OP's purposes, CSS is the correct method.

If JS is not present, the result is a mess.

Only if done badly. Of course, JS is used badly 99 times from 100
If CSS is not present, the
page degrades, hopefully well if designed that way.

BTW, it might be even better sometimes to degrade so that full menu is
not available. Long menues are especially annoying when using some device
that doesn't have lots of screenspace. Those often are situations where
CSS/JS is not available.

--
Lauri Raittila <http://www.iki.fi/lr> <http://www.iki.fi/zwak/fonts>

[Lemming]

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 22:18:12 +0300, Lauri Raittila
<la***@raittila.cjb.net> wrote:

Neal wrote;

If CSS is not present, the
page degrades, hopefully well if designed that way.

BTW, it might be even better sometimes to degrade so that full menu is
not available. Long menues are especially annoying when using some device
that doesn't have lots of screenspace. Those often are situations where
CSS/JS is not available.

Or place a short quick-menu first, then the page content, and follow
it with the full menu. Position everything with css so that for
css-enabled browsers the menus appear where you want them (i.e.
top/side/whatever) and for those without css the default rendering
places the long menu after the content. A link in the quick-menu to
the full menu helps the visitor get to the full menu faster than
scrolling.

Lemming
--
Curiosity *may* have killed Schrodinger's cat.