putting my footer in

[A.Translator]

The footer on my page stays where I want it to be (at the bottom of the
screen) as long as the content has enough volume to push it down. The
moment I take out content, the container obviously wraps itself around the
little bit that is left, and shoots upwards on the screen or viewport - if
I use that term correctly.

This seems to be a complex issue. AListApart has a wonderful article on
it, but their solution uses javascript, which I want to avoid.

I am a (relatively) new to css and have a very basic question: - Is it OK
to rely (for now) on the content to keep the footer down?

It does feel like cheating a bit (putting in more text to hold up the
structure), but at least it works, and I can only learn one thing at a
time, now that I am trying to go without tables.

If someone can put my mind at ease on this score, I would be very grateful.
--
Groet, Adriana. [throw rubbish out if you want to reach me by e-mail]

[Neal]

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 22:33:13 +0200, A.Translator
<ad******************@yaBISHhoo.com> wrote:

The page I was worried about would look odd (to my eye) with such a high
footer, so I am still looking for a solution.

Perhaps you should add more content...

[A.Translator]

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:11:15 -0400, Neal wrote:

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 22:33:13 +0200, A.Translator
<ad******************@yaBISHhoo.com> wrote:

The page I was worried about would look odd (to my eye) with such a high
footer, so I am still looking for a solution.

Perhaps you should add more content...

Well, to quote from my original question:
"Is it OK to rely (for now) on the content to keep the footer down?
It does feel like cheating a bit (putting in more text to hold up the
structure), but at least it works..."

So yes, that is what I'll do.

--
Groet, Adriana.
[throw rubbish out if you want to reach me by e-mail]

[A.Translator]

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:11:15 -0400, Neal wrote:

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 22:33:13 +0200, A.Translator
<ad******************@yaBISHhoo.com> wrote:

The page I was worried about would look odd (to my eye) with such a high
footer, so I am still looking for a solution.

Perhaps you should add more content...

Well, to quote from my original question:
"Is it OK to rely (for now) on the content to keep the footer down?
It does feel like cheating a bit (putting in more text to hold up the
structure), but at least it works..."

So yes, that is what I'll do.

--
Groet, Adriana.
[throw rubbish out if you want to reach me by e-mail]

[Neal]

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 23:15:27 +0200, A.Translator
<ad******************@yaBISHhoo.com> wrote:

Well, to quote from my original question:
"Is it OK to rely (for now) on the content to keep the footer down?
It does feel like cheating a bit (putting in more text to hold up the
structure), but at least it works..."

So yes, that is what I'll do.

See, I figure, if you see the bottom div as having to be at or below the
bottom of the viewport, you can never know where that is. Ultimately,
relying on quantity of content is not going to solve the issue in all
cases.

CSS, as designed, allows things to be positioned at the bottom, but that's
not going to be helpful to most visitors who use a browser which won't
fully support CSS.

So your only recourse is to add enough content so that most (not all)
users won't see the bottom div above the bottom of their viewport, or
change your definition of a problem. You're unwilling to do the latter, so
there's your answer.

[Neal]

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 23:15:27 +0200, A.Translator
<ad******************@yaBISHhoo.com> wrote:

Well, to quote from my original question:
"Is it OK to rely (for now) on the content to keep the footer down?
It does feel like cheating a bit (putting in more text to hold up the
structure), but at least it works..."

So yes, that is what I'll do.

See, I figure, if you see the bottom div as having to be at or below the
bottom of the viewport, you can never know where that is. Ultimately,
relying on quantity of content is not going to solve the issue in all
cases.

CSS, as designed, allows things to be positioned at the bottom, but that's
not going to be helpful to most visitors who use a browser which won't
fully support CSS.

So your only recourse is to add enough content so that most (not all)
users won't see the bottom div above the bottom of their viewport, or
change your definition of a problem. You're unwilling to do the latter, so
there's your answer.

[A.Translator]

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:26:04 -0400, Neal wrote:

So your only recourse is to add enough content so that most (not all)
users won't see the bottom div above the bottom of their viewport, or
change your definition of a problem. You're unwilling to do the latter, so
there's your answer.

Unwilling? You suggest I add more content, I am saying that is what I am
doing, where am I unwilling?

You cannot please all people all of the time, certainly not in Webdesign.
Nothing is guaranteed. I am well aware of that. So I have to make a choice.
That is what I am doing. It may not agree with your choice or someone
else's, but I have to decide.
I have decided that I do not want (for my page) a footer that sits up high
half way the viewport.
What on earth is wrong with my point of view, other than it not being
everyone's point of view?

--
Groet, Adriana.
[throw rubbish out if you want to reach me by e-mail]

[A.Translator]

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:26:04 -0400, Neal wrote:

So your only recourse is to add enough content so that most (not all)
users won't see the bottom div above the bottom of their viewport, or
change your definition of a problem. You're unwilling to do the latter, so
there's your answer.

Unwilling? You suggest I add more content, I am saying that is what I am
doing, where am I unwilling?

You cannot please all people all of the time, certainly not in Webdesign.
Nothing is guaranteed. I am well aware of that. So I have to make a choice.
That is what I am doing. It may not agree with your choice or someone
else's, but I have to decide.
I have decided that I do not want (for my page) a footer that sits up high
half way the viewport.
What on earth is wrong with my point of view, other than it not being
everyone's point of view?

--
Groet, Adriana.
[throw rubbish out if you want to reach me by e-mail]

[Neal]

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 00:42:13 +0200, A.Translator
<ad******************@yaBISHhoo.com> wrote:

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:26:04 -0400, Neal wrote:

So your only recourse is to add enough content so that most (not all)
users won't see the bottom div above the bottom of their viewport, or
change your definition of a problem. You're unwilling to do the latter,
so
there's your answer.
Unwilling? You suggest I add more content, I am saying that is what I am
doing, where am I unwilling?

The latter - which is to accept that it's not really a problem.

As you insist on this bugging you, the only option is to stuff more
content in.
I have decided that I do not want (for my page) a footer that sits up
high
half way the viewport.
What on earth is wrong with my point of view, other than it not being
everyone's point of view?

I'm not criticizing you for wanting that. But you need to be aware that
the system is not designed to yield that result. What you want is
impossible to achieve today, not without a good deal of compromise.

[Neal]

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 00:42:13 +0200, A.Translator
<ad******************@yaBISHhoo.com> wrote:

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:26:04 -0400, Neal wrote:

So your only recourse is to add enough content so that most (not all)
users won't see the bottom div above the bottom of their viewport, or
change your definition of a problem. You're unwilling to do the latter,
so
there's your answer.
Unwilling? You suggest I add more content, I am saying that is what I am
doing, where am I unwilling?

The latter - which is to accept that it's not really a problem.

As you insist on this bugging you, the only option is to stuff more
content in.
I have decided that I do not want (for my page) a footer that sits up
high
half way the viewport.
What on earth is wrong with my point of view, other than it not being
everyone's point of view?

I'm not criticizing you for wanting that. But you need to be aware that
the system is not designed to yield that result. What you want is
impossible to achieve today, not without a good deal of compromise.

[A.Translator]

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:19:41 -0400, Neal wrote:

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 00:42:13 +0200, A.Translator
<ad******************@yaBISHhoo.com> wrote:

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:26:04 -0400, Neal wrote:

So your only recourse is to add enough content so that most (not all)
users won't see the bottom div above the bottom of their viewport, or
change your definition of a problem. You're unwilling to do the
latter, so there's your answer.

Unwilling? You suggest I add more content, I am saying that is what I
am doing, where am I unwilling?

The latter - which is to accept that it's not really a problem.

As you insist on this bugging you, the only option is to stuff more
content in.

That is all I was asking.

I have decided that I do not want (for my page) a footer that sits up
high half way the viewport. What on earth is wrong with my point of
view, other than it not being everyone's point of view?

I'm not criticizing you for wanting that. But you need to be aware that
the system is not designed to yield that result.

I am aware of that, said so from the start.
Thanks for making sure that I won't forget ;-)
--
Groet, Adriana. [throw rubbish out if you want to reach me by e-mail]

[A.Translator]

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:19:41 -0400, Neal wrote:

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 00:42:13 +0200, A.Translator
<ad******************@yaBISHhoo.com> wrote:

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:26:04 -0400, Neal wrote:

So your only recourse is to add enough content so that most (not all)
users won't see the bottom div above the bottom of their viewport, or
change your definition of a problem. You're unwilling to do the
latter, so there's your answer.

Unwilling? You suggest I add more content, I am saying that is what I
am doing, where am I unwilling?

The latter - which is to accept that it's not really a problem.

As you insist on this bugging you, the only option is to stuff more
content in.

That is all I was asking.

I have decided that I do not want (for my page) a footer that sits up
high half way the viewport. What on earth is wrong with my point of
view, other than it not being everyone's point of view?

I'm not criticizing you for wanting that. But you need to be aware that
the system is not designed to yield that result.

I am aware of that, said so from the start.
Thanks for making sure that I won't forget ;-)
--
Groet, Adriana. [throw rubbish out if you want to reach me by e-mail]