Validation problem with Windows XP SP2

[Reuben Chew]

It seems that due to XP SP2's MIME type restrictions, when using
Internet Explorer 6 SP2 to validate documents, it will spit out this error:
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Sorry, I am unable to validate this document because its content type is
text/plain, which is not currently supported by this service.

The Content-Type field is sent by your web server (or web browser if you
use the file upload interface) and depends on its configuration.
Commonly, web servers will have a mapping of filename extensions (such
as ".html") to MIME Content-Type values (such as text/html).

That you recieved this message can mean that your server is not
configured correctly, that your file does not have the correct filename
extension, or that you are attempting to validate a file type that we do
not support yet. In the latter case you should let us know that you need
us to support that content type (please include all relevant details,
including the URL to the standards document defining the content type)
using the instructions on the Feedback Page.
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I have asked my friend to test out, and he is using Windows XP SP2 as
well. He reports the same problem. Meanwhile, using Mozilla Firefox and
Opera doesn't result in any problem.

Do you guys experience this problem as well? It's a major blocker...
Also, on another note, I hope PHP files can be validated soon as well.

[David Dorward]

Reuben Chew wrote:

Do you guys experience this problem as well? It's a major blocker...
Its a bug in IE, not the validator.
Also, on another note, I hope PHP files can be validated soon as well.

PHP files are not markup. They are markup with programing instructions mixed
in with them. Validation of them would be pointless, only their output is
relevent.

--
David Dorward <http://blog.dorward.me.uk/> <http://dorward.me.uk/>
Home is where the ~/.bashrc is

[Reuben Chew]

David Dorward wrote:

Reuben Chew wrote:

Do you guys experience this problem as well? It's a major blocker...

Its a bug in IE, not the validator.

Also, on another note, I hope PHP files can be validated soon as well.

PHP files are not markup. They are markup with programing instructions mixed
in with them. Validation of them would be pointless, only their output is
relevent.

Ok, but is it possible for the Validator to be rectified to allow IE?

[Brian]

Reuben Chew wrote:

It seems that due to XP SP2's MIME type restrictions, when using
Internet Explorer 6 SP2 to validate documents,
url?
it will spit out this error:
Sorry, I am unable to validate this document because its content type
is text/plain, which is not currently supported by this service.
That seems logical. There is no validation possible with plain text. But
I'm a bit confused as to why IE6 would send a MIME type of text/plain.
Then again, I'm not sure how file upload validation works. You might be
happier validation from the server.
The Content-Type field is sent by your web server (or web browser if
you use the file upload interface)
Ah, that might explain it. Are you uploading a file to the validator
from your browser?
I hope PHP files can be validated soon as well.

You can validate the *output* of a PHP script if that output is
text/html or some variant of xhtml.

--
Brian (remove ".invalid" to email me)
http://www.tsmchughs.com/

[Neal]

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 23:18:02 +0800, Reuben Chew
<fu********@pacific.net.sg> wrote:

David Dorward wrote:

Reuben Chew wrote:

Do you guys experience this problem as well? It's a major blocker...

Its a bug in IE, not the validator.

Also, on another note, I hope PHP files can be validated soon as well.

PHP files are not markup. They are markup with programing instructions
mixed
in with them. Validation of them would be pointless, only their output
is
relevent.

Ok, but is it possible for the Validator to be rectified to allow IE?

I'd simply use http://validator.w3.org/ to validate. Just bookmark it, and
pop the URL in. You can also uplload a file from the ole 'puter.

[Neal]

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:53:55 -0400, Neal <ne*****@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 23:18:02 +0800, Reuben Chew
<fu********@pacific.net.sg> wrote:

David Dorward wrote:

Reuben Chew wrote:
Do you guys experience this problem as well? It's a major blocker...
Its a bug in IE, not the validator.

Ok, but is it possible for the Validator to be rectified to allow IE?

I'd simply use http://validator.w3.org/ to validate. Just bookmark it,
and pop the URL in. You can also uplload a file from the ole 'puter.

Apologies, upon re-reading the OP I might have mis-replied. Seems you are
using a validator, and accessing it through IE on XP, and the browser is
screwing things up. (Awfully surprising, isn't it, that MS would design
the browser to screw up attempts to validate?)

My opinion, not a direct answer to the question: IE shouldn't be a design
browser. Mozilla or Opera are superior to IE for this purpose, as they are
far more W3C-conformant. I use IE only to check and ensure good rendering
after the page is designed and validated. So my solution would be to
validate using the conforming browser, and only check in IE (while the
other browser is open to verify you aren't harming the appropriate
rendering).

[David Dorward]

Neal wrote:

You can also uplload a file from the ole 'puter.

You seem to have missed the point of this thread. IE claims that the file is
text/plain instead of text/html when the file is uploaded. As the validator
is a markup validator and not a plain text validator, it rejects the file.

--
David Dorward <http://blog.dorward.me.uk/> <http://dorward.me.uk/>
Home is where the ~/.bashrc is

[Reuben Chew]

Brian wrote:

Reuben Chew wrote:

It seems that due to XP SP2's MIME type restrictions, when using
Internet Explorer 6 SP2 to validate documents,

url?

it will spit out this error:
Sorry, I am unable to validate this document because its content type
is text/plain, which is not currently supported by this service.

That seems logical. There is no validation possible with plain text. But
I'm a bit confused as to why IE6 would send a MIME type of text/plain.
Then again, I'm not sure how file upload validation works. You might be
happier validation from the server.

The Content-Type field is sent by your web server (or web browser if
you use the file upload interface)

Ah, that might explain it. Are you uploading a file to the validator
from your browser?

I hope PHP files can be validated soon as well.

You can validate the *output* of a PHP script if that output is
text/html or some variant of xhtml.

Ok, when I had XP SP1, validation of webpages with Internet Explorer
worked like a breeze, text/html and stuff, even for PHP pages. But it
seems that in SP2 HTML gets detected as text/plain and PHP as
application/octet-stream. I like using file upload because I like to
validate my pages before uploading them.

I could use Mozilla Firefox or Opera to validate them, but they refuse
to validate files with the PHP extension, even though W3C's validator
ignores the php tags.

[Shawn K. Quinn]

Reuben Chew wrote:

David Dorward wrote:

Reuben Chew wrote:

Do you guys experience this problem as well? It's a major blocker...

Its a bug in IE, not the validator.

Ok, but is it possible for the Validator to be rectified to allow IE?

Please re-read what Mr. Dorward wrote. The bug is in IE, *not* the
validator. You need to tell Microsoft to fix IE, because that's where the
bug is.

--
Shawn K. Quinn

[John Bowling]

Neal wrote:

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:53:55 -0400, Neal <ne*****@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 23:18:02 +0800, Reuben Chew
<fu********@pacific.net.sg> wrote:

David Dorward wrote:

Reuben Chew wrote:

> Do you guys experience this problem as well? It's a major blocker...

Its a bug in IE, not the validator.

Ok, but is it possible for the Validator to be rectified to allow IE?
I'd simply use http://validator.w3.org/ to validate. Just bookmark it,
and pop the URL in. You can also uplload a file from the ole 'puter.

Apologies, upon re-reading the OP I might have mis-replied. Seems you
are using a validator, and accessing it through IE on XP, and the
browser is screwing things up. (Awfully surprising, isn't it, that MS
would design the browser to screw up attempts to validate?)

Not in the least! M$ has never been able to make a version of IE that
is accurate to the standards, bug free, and secure. (Applies to all of
their software!) Why should anyone be surprised now?

I'm sticking with 2000 where I have to use Windows and then only using
Mozilla! And doing the major work with Linux! And I even avoid
checking my web pages with IE. If it can't handle valid code then
people need to scrap it!

My opinion, not a direct answer to the question: IE shouldn't be a
design browser. Mozilla or Opera are superior to IE for this purpose, as
they are far more W3C-conformant. I use IE only to check and ensure good
rendering after the page is designed and validated. So my solution would
be to validate using the conforming browser, and only check in IE (while
the other browser is open to verify you aren't harming the appropriate
rendering).

[Brian]

John Bowling wrote:

M$ has never been able to make a version of IE that is accurate to
the standards, bug free, and secure.
Far be it from me to come to the defense of the Redmond Empire, but this
statement is a little overdone. *No* organization has made a browser
that is "standards, bug free, and secure". (Try floating a <label> in
early versions of Moz or Netscape 6.) I do think Firefox is much more
secure than MSIE, and much closer to following various protocols and
recommendations, too. But let's not overstate the case.
And I even avoid checking my web pages with IE. If it can't handle
valid code then people need to scrap it!

If you're doing pages for yourself only, then go for it. It's your
choice. If you're doing them for others, than you made a choice you've
no right to make. You don't decide what software your hosts -- the
visitors who invite your pages into their environment -- use.

--
Brian (remove ".invalid" to email me)
http://www.tsmchughs.com/

[Neal]

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 09:39:43 -0400, Brian
<us*****@julietremblay.com.invalid> wrote:

If you're doing pages for yourself only, then go for it. It's your
choice. If you're doing them for others, than you made a choice you've
no right to make. You don't decide what software your hosts -- the
visitors who invite your pages into their environment -- use.

Of course someone could make a browser which was far worse than IE, and if
it somehow got popular, we'd all hate it too and wish no one used it.

Though I agree that the militant standpoint of "anyone who uses IE doesn't
deserve to have a good rendering of my content" is foolish, I can
certainly sympathize with the sentiment. It's a major pain in the ass to
provide a correct document and then back-fit it to work in IE, but c'est
la vie and all that.

[Sam Hughes]

Brian <us*****@julietremblay.com.invalid> wrote in
news:10*************@corp.supernews.com:

John Bowling wrote:

And I even avoid checking my web pages with IE. If it can't handle
valid code then people need to scrap it!

If you're doing pages for yourself only, then go for it. It's your
choice. If you're doing them for others, than you made a choice
you've no right to make.

He has every right to make that choice.

--
How to make it so visitors can't resize your fonts:
<http://www.rpi.edu/~hughes/www/wise_guy/unresizable_text.html>

[Brian]

Sam Hughes wrote:

Brian wrote:

John Bowling wrote:

And I even avoid checking my web pages with IE. If it can't
handle valid code then people need to scrap it!

If you're doing pages for yourself only, then go for it. It's your
choice. If you're doing them for others, than you made a choice
you've no right to make.

He has every right to make that choice.

On behalf of his client? Well, I suppose. But the client should fire him
in that case. Good web design means working with what's out there. "Be
liberal in what you accept." That goes for browsers, too.

--
Brian (remove ".invalid" to email me)
http://www.tsmchughs.com/