frames/no frames

[bill]

I currently have a site which has the index page immediately open
two frames. I put a music object in the top frame. That way the
music is not cut off when the user navigates to another page and
I certainly don't want to put the music on each page.

But, the page is not treated well by google as it has no
descriptive text to index so I would like to change it to a first
real page with text, but I don't want to lose the advantage of a
persistent page for the music.

Does anyone have any suggestion that would permit the music to
play one time even if the user navigates off the page ?

bill drescher

[Nikita the Spider]

In article <z-******************************@cablespeedmi.com>,
bill <no****@spamcop.netwrote:

I currently have a site which has the index page immediately open
two frames. I put a music object in the top frame. That way the
music is not cut off when the user navigates to another page and
I certainly don't want to put the music on each page.

But, the page is not treated well by google as it has no
descriptive text to index so I would like to change it to a first
real page with text, but I don't want to lose the advantage of a
persistent page for the music.

Does anyone have any suggestion that would permit the music to
play one time even if the user navigates off the page ?

Hi Bill,
To answer your specific question: there's no simple way that I'm aware
of, although you could consider a popup or popunder that exists off the
screen or something. However, my advice would be to consider if the
music is welcome at all. I'm a big fan of music, but I have yet to come
across a music-playing site on the Net where I was glad the music
played, and if it persisted playing while I navigated the site I'd
probably leave ASAP. Search this group and alt.html for "music" or
"sound" and I bet you'll find a number of conversations on this topic.

Cheers

--
Philip
http://NikitaTheSpider.com/
Whole-site HTML validation, link checking and more

[David E. Ross]

bill wrote:

I currently have a site which has the index page immediately open two
frames. I put a music object in the top frame. That way the music is
not cut off when the user navigates to another page and I certainly
don't want to put the music on each page.

But, the page is not treated well by google as it has no descriptive
text to index so I would like to change it to a first real page with
text, but I don't want to lose the advantage of a persistent page for
the music.

Does anyone have any suggestion that would permit the music to play one
time even if the user navigates off the page ?

bill drescher

So, if while surfing the Web, I'm listening to the Webcast of my
favorite radio station and they're playing one of my favorite Beethoven
symphonies, you want to interrupt that without even asking me. Forget it!!

--

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<http://www.rossde.com/>

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[PTM]

"bill" <no****@spamcop.netwrote in message
news:z-******************************@cablespeedmi.com...

>I currently have a site which has the index page immediately open two
frames. I put a music object in the top frame. That way the music is not
cut off when the user navigates to another page and I certainly don't want
to put the music on each page.

But, the page is not treated well by google as it has no descriptive text
to index so I would like to change it to a first real page with text, but
I don't want to lose the advantage of a persistent page for the music.

Does anyone have any suggestion that would permit the music to play one
time even if the user navigates off the page ?

bill drescher

why not try a floating frame?
you should also consider adding some controls to stop the music playing
(keeps people like Dave happy)

Phil

[bill]

PTM wrote:

"bill" <no****@spamcop.netwrote in message
news:z-******************************@cablespeedmi.com...

>I currently have a site which has the index page immediately open two
frames. I put a music object in the top frame. That way the music is not
cut off when the user navigates to another page and I certainly don't want
to put the music on each page.

But, the page is not treated well by google as it has no descriptive text
to index so I would like to change it to a first real page with text, but
I don't want to lose the advantage of a persistent page for the music.

Does anyone have any suggestion that would permit the music to play one
time even if the user navigates off the page ?

bill drescher

why not try a floating frame?
you should also consider adding some controls to stop the music playing
(keeps people like Dave happy)

Phil

There is a no music option, but 90 of the visitors elect the
misic. What is a floating frame ?

[Chris F.A. Johnson]

On 2006-07-22, bill wrote:

PTM wrote:

>"bill" <no****@spamcop.netwrote in message
news:z-******************************@cablespeedmi.com...

>>I currently have a site which has the index page immediately open two
frames. I put a music object in the top frame. That way the music is not
cut off when the user navigates to another page and I certainly don't want
to put the music on each page.

But, the page is not treated well by google as it has no descriptive text
to index so I would like to change it to a first real page with text, but
I don't want to lose the advantage of a persistent page for the music.

Does anyone have any suggestion that would permit the music to play one
time even if the user navigates off the page ?

bill drescher

why not try a floating frame?
you should also consider adding some controls to stop the music playing
(keeps people like Dave happy)

There is a no music option, but 90 of the visitors elect the
misic.

For a more accurate estimate, turn it off by default and see how
many choose to turn it on.
--
Chris F.A. Johnson, author <http://cfaj.freeshell.org>
Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)
===== My code in this post, if any, assumes the POSIX locale
===== and is released under the GNU General Public Licence

[bill]

Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:

On 2006-07-22, bill wrote:

>PTM wrote:

>>"bill" <no****@spamcop.netwrote in message
news:z-******************************@cablespeedmi.com...
I currently have a site which has the index page immediately open two
frames. I put a music object in the top frame. That way the music is not
cut off when the user navigates to another page and I certainly don't want
to put the music on each page.

But, the page is not treated well by google as it has no descriptive text
to index so I would like to change it to a first real page with text, but
I don't want to lose the advantage of a persistent page for the music.

Does anyone have any suggestion that would permit the music to play one
time even if the user navigates off the page ?

bill drescher
why not try a floating frame?
you should also consider adding some controls to stop the music playing
(keeps people like Dave happy)

There is a no music option, but 90 of the visitors elect the
misic.

For a more accurate estimate, turn it off by default and see how
many choose to turn it on.

I appreciate your suggestion, but would prefer suggestions along
the line of my question.
(FYI, this is a user preference that is selected before entering
the site and is kept in a cookie. Not everybody hates websites
with music.)

[Spartanicus]

bill <no****@spamcop.netwrote:

>>>>I currently have a site which has the index page immediately open two
frames. I put a music object in the top frame. That way the music is not
cut off when the user navigates to another page and I certainly don't want
to put the music on each page.
>
But, the page is not treated well by google as it has no descriptive text
to index so I would like to change it to a first real page with text, but
I don't want to lose the advantage of a persistent page for the music.
>
Does anyone have any suggestion that would permit the music to play one
time even if the user navigates off the page ?
>
bill drescher
why not try a floating frame?
you should also consider adding some controls to stop the music playing
(keeps people like Dave happy)

There is a no music option, but 90 of the visitors elect the
misic.

For a more accurate estimate, turn it off by default and see how
many choose to turn it on.

I appreciate your suggestion, but would prefer suggestions along
the line of my question.

This isn't a help desk. Ask a question and we will discuss the
implications whether you like it or not.

>(FYI, this is a user preference that is selected before entering
the site and is kept in a cookie.

Put a <a href="music.ogg">funky music</alink to the music, that way if
people choose to play it it will launch their associated player and it
will continue to play if they move to another page.

--
Spartanicus

[Alan J. Flavell]

On Sun, 23 Jul 2006, bill wrote:

Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:

For a more accurate estimate, turn it off by default and see how
many choose to turn it on.

indeed.

I appreciate your suggestion, but would prefer suggestions along the
line of my question.

Welcome to usenet.

(FYI, this is a user preference that is selected before entering the
site and is kept in a cookie.

"Before"? Then it's unlikely to happen on my browser, for example.

If I wasn't so fascinated to see just how many different sites feel
it's their g*d-given right to plant their cookies on me without any
explanation or by-your-leave, I would just turn the whole thing off,
and consider whitelisting the very few where I'm sufficiently
interested in the site and have been convinced that the cookie setting
is in /my/ interest, not just in theirs.

As it is, I have the browser set to throw an alert when cookies are
sent.

Visits to some sites bring a sheer overwhelming deluge of cookie
attempts, and often cause a corresponding number of sites to be added
to my banned list. Half a dozen different sites isn't unusual - ten
or a dozen is by no means a record. Almost always due to
advertisements added to the page that I was trying to access. What
/do/ these wretched advertisers think they are up to?

Not everybody hates websites with music.)

I'm happy with the music that's already playing, and *most* upset to
have it trampled on by something I hadn't asked for.

Of course, this isn't really about *me*, but just one sample of how
readers might respond.

[Neredbojias]

To further the education of mankind, bill <no****@spamcop.net>
vouchsafed:

>>There is a no music option, but 90 of the visitors elect the
misic.

For a more accurate estimate, turn it off by default and see how
many choose to turn it on.

I appreciate your suggestion, but would prefer suggestions along
the line of my question.
(FYI, this is a user preference that is selected before entering
the site and is kept in a cookie. Not everybody hates websites
with music.)

Maybe not, but I hate cookies and have them turned off by default.

:)

--
Neredbojias
Infinity has its limits.

[pegasusflightresources]

bill wrote:

I currently have a site which has the index page immediately open
two frames. I put a music object in the top frame. That way the
music is not cut off when the user navigates to another page and
I certainly don't want to put the music on each page.

But, the page is not treated well by google as it has no
descriptive text to index so I would like to change it to a first
real page with text, but I don't want to lose the advantage of a
persistent page for the music.

Does anyone have any suggestion that would permit the music to
play one time even if the user navigates off the page ?

bill drescher

Dear sir,
You might be able to do this by using a PHP require. If you read up
more about it, you should understand why.

I have the honor to remain your most humble and Ob't Sv't in our war
against the King.

--
Patrick Reilly
1st Coy.
Colonel Seth Warner's Regiment

[David E. Ross]

Alan J. Flavell wrote:

On Sun, 23 Jul 2006, bill wrote:

>Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:

>> For a more accurate estimate, turn it off by default and see how
many choose to turn it on.

indeed.

>I appreciate your suggestion, but would prefer suggestions along the
line of my question.

Welcome to usenet.

>(FYI, this is a user preference that is selected before entering the
site and is kept in a cookie.

"Before"? Then it's unlikely to happen on my browser, for example.

If I wasn't so fascinated to see just how many different sites feel
it's their g*d-given right to plant their cookies on me without any
explanation or by-your-leave, I would just turn the whole thing off,
and consider whitelisting the very few where I'm sufficiently
interested in the site and have been convinced that the cookie setting
is in /my/ interest, not just in theirs.

As it is, I have the browser set to throw an alert when cookies are
sent.

Visits to some sites bring a sheer overwhelming deluge of cookie
attempts, and often cause a corresponding number of sites to be added
to my banned list. Half a dozen different sites isn't unusual - ten
or a dozen is by no means a record. Almost always due to
advertisements added to the page that I was trying to access. What
/do/ these wretched advertisers think they are up to?

>Not everybody hates websites with music.)

I'm happy with the music that's already playing, and *most* upset to
have it trampled on by something I hadn't asked for.

Of course, this isn't really about *me*, but just one sample of how
readers might respond.

Many sites think they are setting cookies when I view them. But my
cookies.txt file is marked read-only. This means all cookies are
session-only.

Further, my browser's options are set to reject any cookie that is not
for the domain I am currently viewing. Finally, I have black-listed
some domains so that cookies from them are rejected even if I do view
them (blocking cookies when a Web page has a frame or script that
references a different domain).

Also note that I usually have my speakers turned off.

--

David E. Ross
<http://www.rossde.com/>

Concerned about someone (e.g., Pres. Bush) snooping
into your E-mail? Use PGP.
See my <http://www.rossde.com/PGP/>

[Alan J. Flavell]

On Sun, 23 Jul 2006, David E. Ross wrote:

[excessive quotage snipped]

Also note that I usually have my speakers turned off.

But that's far too easy! At work, I often need to have audio or video
conferencing in progress, for which it's essential to have the
speakers (or headphones) in operation.

I'm sure you can imagine how "enjoyable" it is (on a scale of 0 to
minus 100) while web browsing alongside the conference session, to
have a web page come blaring out uninvited.

[Michael Stemper]

In article <C6******************************@cablespeedmi.com >, bill writes:

>>>"bill" <no****@spamcop.netwrote in message news:z-******************************@cablespeedmi.com...

>>>>Does anyone have any suggestion that would permit the music to play one
time even if the user navigates off the page ?

>I appreciate your suggestion, but would prefer suggestions along
the line of my question.
(FYI, this is a user preference that is selected before entering
the site and is kept in a cookie. Not everybody hates websites
with music.)

I don't hate *all* web sites with music. In fact, I'm listening to music
from http://www.jazz88fm.com/ as I type this. One of the first things
that I do every morning when I get to work is fire up KBEM's stream.

What I do hate is web sites that try to over-ride my musical choices
with theirs.

--
Michael F. Stemper
#include <Standard_Disclaimer>
There is three erors in this sentence.

[PTM]

"bill" <no****@spamcop.netwrote in message
news:VI******************************@cablespeedmi .com...

PTM wrote:

>"bill" <no****@spamcop.netwrote in message
news:z-******************************@cablespeedmi.com...

>>I currently have a site which has the index page immediately open two
frames. I put a music object in the top frame. That way the music is
not cut off when the user navigates to another page and I certainly
don't want to put the music on each page.

But, the page is not treated well by google as it has no descriptive
text to index so I would like to change it to a first real page with
text, but I don't want to lose the advantage of a persistent page for
the music.

Does anyone have any suggestion that would permit the music to play one
time even if the user navigates off the page ?

bill drescher

why not try a floating frame?
you should also consider adding some controls to stop the music playing
(keeps people like Dave happy)

Phil

There is a no music option, but 90 of the visitors elect the misic. What
is a floating frame ?

Floating frames are inline frames (iframe). They can be put anywhere on a
page you need them so you don't need a page with the frameset holders to
make up the site layout.

example code for an iframe:
<iframe name='ads' id='ads' src='[YOUR PAGE HERE]' frameborder='0'
scrolling='no' class='adpos'></iframe>

in the example, the class element uses 'adpos' from a css file (or inline
stylesheet if its the only one your going to use) to position the iframe
where you need it.
any links from a page positioned into the iframe are auto loaded into that
iframe.
links on the main page that need the content displayed inside the iframe,
need the 'a href' targeted to the iframes ID (which doesn't necessarily have
to match its name).
if you want to load back into the main page from the iframe then you need to
make sure your href includes target='main'

hope this helps :)

Phil