Hi All
Sorry for reposting...the entries of the post from 11/23/2005 by Eric
Lindsay have been removed from the server already and I am seeing only
the header.
So, I have the problem of including via SSI a plain text fixed width
table (separated by spaces) which of course gets treated as html when
doing that. I would like to have the blanks (and line returns) stay in
the file and then I could use courier new to display it properly. I
tried temporarily in the html file to turn off html </html> and turn it
on again afterwards, but that was purely experimental...and did not work.
Any suggestions very welcome.
Thanks Toby
7  1695 
Deciding to do something for the good of humanity, <to*****@hotpop.com>
spouted in comp.infosystems. www.authoring.html: I would like to have the blanks (and line returns) stay in
the file
<pre>
....included file...
</pre>
and then I could use courier new to display it properly.
Browsers display <pre> in a monospace font by default.
I
tried temporarily in the html file to turn off html </html> and turn it
on again afterwards, but that was purely experimental...and did not work.
Understandably. You can't "turn off" HTML. I suggest you have a good
look at the info on w3.org - no offence, but you seem to lack
understanding of some of the basic concepts behind HTML.
--
Mark Parnell
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On Wed, 11 Jan 2006, to*****@hotpop.com wrote: So, I have the problem of including via SSI a plain text fixed width
table (separated by spaces) which of course gets treated as html
when doing that.
In general, you will need to pass the content through a filter which
turns any markup-significant characters into corresponding &-notation
(numerical character references &#number; , or character entities <
, & etc.).
The result can then be clapped in <pre>...</pre>, if the results of
that are acceptable to you.
The HTML specification warns against using TAB characters for
positioning, so, if your original contains TAB characters, then your
filter would be advised to have some kind of algorithm for converting
them into what you consider to be an appropriate number of ordinary
spaces.
Whether this filtering is really suitable for doing at server time via
an SSI is an implementation question - you might be better advised to
perform the filtering at the time that these snippets are created,
rather than at the time they are served-out.
I would like to have the blanks (and line returns) stay in the file
That's what the <pre> markup is intended for, after all.
and then I could use courier new to display it properly.
In a web context, you'll use whatever monospaced font the *reader* has
for this purpose: with CSS you can make a proposal, which the reader's
browser can implement or not, depending on the available fonts and on
its user settings. Just a routine caution that MS's supply of
monospaced fonts in their OSes seem to be particularly poor as regards
character repertoire[1].
I tried temporarily in the html file to turn off html </html> and
turn it on again afterwards,
Your mental model of HTML is adrift. Tags aren't there to "turn on or
off", but to mark-up element content. On a page which is sent as
text/html, *all* of your substantive content has to be within a <body>
element which itself is within an <html> element: you don't have any
discretion in that regard (in HTML, as opposed to XHTML, the *markup*
for those elements can be implicit rather than explicit, but the
*elements* are there in either case).
The old <plaintext> markup of early pre-SGML HTML doesn't really exist
in current versions (you might find browsers which still implement it,
but that's no real excuse for using it in present-day work).
have fun
[1] some discussion in my page
athttp://ppewww.ph.gla.ac.uk/~flavell/charset/browsers-fonts.html#Monospaced
In our last episode,
<dq**********@news.Stanford.EDU>,
the lovely and talented to*****@hotpop.com
broadcast on comp.infosystems. www.authoring.html: Hi All
Sorry for reposting...the entries of the post from 11/23/2005 by Eric
Lindsay have been removed from the server already and I am seeing only
the header.
So, I have the problem of including via SSI a plain text fixed width
table (separated by spaces) which of course gets treated as html when
doing that. I would like to have the blanks (and line returns) stay in
the file and then I could use courier new to display it properly. I
tried temporarily in the html file to turn off html </html> and turn it
on again afterwards, but that was purely experimental...and did not work.
Doesn't
<pre>
<!--#include virtual whatever your server wants here -->
</pre>
work?
Any suggestions very welcome.
Thanks Toby
--
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Dynamic linking error: Your mistake is now everywhere.
JRS: In article <Pi******************************@ppepc62.ph.gla.a c.uk>
, dated Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:56:49 local, seen in news:comp.infosystems.w
ww.authoring.html, Alan J. Flavell <fl*****@ph.gla.ac.uk> posted :
The result can then be clapped in <pre>...</pre>, if the results of
that are acceptable to you.
The HTML specification warns against using TAB characters for
positioning, so, if your original contains TAB characters, then your
filter would be advised to have some kind of algorithm for converting
them into what you consider to be an appropriate number of ordinary
spaces.
My site contains at present 1185 TABs, mostly in PRE; are there many
browsers that don't display tabs in PRE as the usual 1..8 spaces?
I don't recall any tester or validator giving as much as a warning for
any of them.
--
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On Fri, 13 Jan 2006, Dr John Stockton wrote, quoting me: The HTML specification warns against using TAB characters for
positioning,
[...]
My site contains at present 1185 TABs, mostly in PRE; are there many
browsers that don't display tabs in PRE as the usual 1..8 spaces?
I can only suggest that the Hon. Usenaut draws his own conclusion from
what the HTML spec says. Section 9.3.4 seems to contain the point:
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/stru....html#edef-PRE
although there are other places where white-space issues are mentioned
for one reason or another.
I don't recall any tester or validator giving as much as a warning for
any of them.
There's a lot of detail in the HTML4 spec which I've never seen a
linter/checker drawing attention to. A "validator", in the strict
sense, would have no business mentioning it, of course, since it's not
an SGML/XML syntax issue.
best to*****@hotpop.com wrote:
Hi All
Sorry for reposting...the entries of the post from 11/23/2005 by Eric
Lindsay have been removed from the server already and I am seeing only
the header.
So, I have the problem of including via SSI a plain text fixed width
table (separated by spaces) which of course gets treated as html when
doing that. I would like to have the blanks (and line returns) stay in
the file and then I could use courier new to display it properly. I
tried temporarily in the html file to turn off html </html> and turn it
on again afterwards, but that was purely experimental...and did not work.
Any suggestions very welcome.
Thanks Toby
If the entire page is plain text, why not serve it as an ASCII text
page? The extension would be .txt. The MIME type is express
(e.g., in an .htaccess file) as:
text/plain asc txt
Actually, an ASCII text file without any <!DOCTYPE> and <HTML> tags
and without any extension is served by an Apache server as
text/plain. I have a copy of my ISP's default MIME type list. I
just now uploaded the file to
<http://www.rossde.com/test/MIMEtypes>, without any extension for
you to view. You can see that the use of tabs to create columns
for the extensions is preserved. However, I would guess that
different browsers might have different default tab-stops.
--
David E. Ross
<http://www.rossde.com/>
Concerned about someone (e.g., Pres. Bush) snooping
into your E-mail? Use PGP.
See my <http://www.rossde.com/PGP/>
JRS: In article <Pi******************************@ppepc62.ph.gla.a c.uk>
, dated Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:49:51 local, seen in news:comp.infosystems.w
ww.authoring.html, Alan J. Flavell <fl*****@ph.gla.ac.uk> posted : On Fri, 13 Jan 2006, Dr John Stockton wrote, quoting me:
>The HTML specification warns against using TAB characters for
>positioning,
[...]
My site contains at present 1185 TABs, mostly in PRE; are there many
browsers that don't display tabs in PRE as the usual 1..8 spaces?
I can only suggest that the Hon. Usenaut draws his own conclusion from
what the HTML spec says. Section 9.3.4 seems to contain the point:
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/stru....html#edef-PRE
I was not asking about the HTML spec (after all, your previous article
was clear enough); I was asking about what browsers actually do.
Only if a significant proportion of viewers get a significantly degraded
view can abandoning an otherwise rather effective construct be
worthwhile.
--
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