Get viewer's browser to open second copy?

[DaveC]

Hi,

If I set up a link to take my viewers away from my site, how can I force
their browser to open a second copy? Idea, of course, is to bring viewers
back into my site when they close the 2nd copy.

Thanks,

DaveCu

[Thor Kottelin]

DaveC wrote:

If I set up a link to take my viewers away from my site, how can I force
their browser to open a second copy? Idea, of course, is to bring viewers
back into my site when they close the 2nd copy.

They will know how to return to your site, should they want to. What you are
planning is almost always a bad idea.

If you still are sure you want to suggest opening another window, look up
the target attribute.

Thor

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[Chris Morris]

"DaveC" <dc******@nospam.san.rr.com> writes:

If I set up a link to take my viewers away from my site, how can I force
their browser to open a second copy? Idea, of course, is to bring viewers
back into my site when they close the 2nd copy.

<a href="http://www.example.com/">Example Company (open this in a new
window or I'll come round to your house and beat you up)</a>

It's not completely guaranteed, obviously, but neither is any other
method (some browsers don't support multiple windows/tabs, and some
that do will ignore any new-window HTML code)

Also, studies have shown that the Back Button is the second
most-commonly used piece of navigation on the web (hyperlinks are
first, obviously), and except in a few recent browsers, opening a new
window stops people using the back button to return to your site. So,
while it might seem a good idea, it probably won't work as you
want. People might discover your site still there when they close
their browser, but then they'll probably close that too.

--
Chris

[Barbara de Zoete]

On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 22:26:00 +0100, DaveC <dc******@nospam.san.rr.com>
wrote:

If I set up a link to take my viewers away from my site, how can I force
their browser to open a second copy? Idea, of course, is to bring
viewers back into my site when they close the 2nd copy.

Ow, God, I hate it when an author does that to me. S/he has no right to do
that. I can deside for myself perfectly well (a) if I want a link to open
in a new window and (b) if I want to return to a previous page or site.
And if the content is useful to me, I will return there. If not today,
some other time. On the other hand, if a site tries to trick me into
opening another window for links outside their domain, that is a sure
guarantee that I will never return to that site again ever.

So, please, if you figure out a way, implement and do let me know the URL
of your site. I then know that I can safely avoid to visit it ever.
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[DaveC]

Well, I think I understand the general feeling on this one; "not a good
idea". Just as well with me. I didn't want to go to the trouble of
changing my site anyways.

Thanks,

DaveC

[Greg Heilers]

DaveC wrote:

Well, I think I understand the general feeling on this one; "not a good
idea". Just as well with me. I didn't want to go to the trouble of
changing my site anyways.

Thanks,

DaveC

There are several ways to do it using JavaScript....but the "HTML Nazis"
on here will slam you for even thinking about it.

The "not a good idea" feeling you get, should *not* deter you. After all --
YOU are the author. Too many people here go totally "anal" about "let's
think about all the poor users out there...".

A musician is allowed to record an album the way HE wants to present it.
A movie director is allowed to release a film as presented in the ways
HE wishes. A rhetorical question: Why should the web author be treated
any differently?

:o)
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As far as anyone knows we're a nice, normal family.

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[Leonard Blaisdell]

In article <85***************@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.ne t>,
Greg Heilers <gN************@earthNOSPAMlink.net> wrote:

There are several ways to do it using JavaScript....but the "HTML Nazis"
on here will slam you for even thinking about it.
That sentence should end this but...

<snip>
A musician is allowed to record an album the way HE wants to present it.
In nearly all cases, he has producers to answer to. If he's rich and can
afford to create, produce and market the record, he can do anything he
wants. If it makes money or not is then up to him.
A movie director is allowed to release a film as presented in the ways
HE wishes.
Not even! Again the producers enter the picture above him. George Lucas
is a dramatic though extremely rare exception.
A rhetorical question: Why should the web author be treated
any differently?

Really, the web author shouldn't if their work isn't presented on the
web for anyone's satisfaction but their own.
But if there's a producer (employer or customer) who want's to maximize
their profit (site popularity), user accessibility becomes a concern,
and the artist (author) will yield or go fish. That is, of course,
provided that the employer or customer is savvy enough to know what they
want :-)

leo

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<http://web0.greatbasin.net/~leo/>

[Darin McGrew]

Greg Heilers <gN************@earthNOSPAMlink.net> wrote:

A musician is allowed to record an album the way HE wants to present it.
Leonard Blaisdell <le*@greatbasin.com> wrote:

In nearly all cases, he has producers to answer to. If he's rich and can
afford to create, produce and market the record, he can do anything he
wants. If it makes money or not is then up to him.
Not to mention the fact that neither the musician nor the producers have
any control over consumers' playback equipment/environment.
A movie director is allowed to release a film as presented in the ways
HE wishes. Not even! Again the producers enter the picture above him. George Lucas
is a dramatic though extremely rare exception.

And again, they don't have much control over the equipment/environment in
the cinema, and they have no control when the movie is viewed at home on
DVD.
A rhetorical question: Why should the web author be treated
any differently?

What makes you think web authors are treated any differently? The web
author controls the web site. The reader controls the browsing
equipment/environment.

If my browsing environment doesn't support multiple windows, or if I have
configured my browsing environment not to open new windows except when I
request them, then the web author can't open new windows. That's just the
way the web works.

A web author complaining about such things is like an ice sculptor
complaining that his sculptures melt.
--
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Web Design Group, da***@htmlhelp.com, http://www.HTMLHelp.com/

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[Blinky the Shark]

Darin McGrew wrote:

Greg Heilers <gN************@earthNOSPAMlink.net> wrote:

A musician is allowed to record an album the way HE wants to
present it.

Leonard Blaisdell <le*@greatbasin.com> wrote:

In nearly all cases, he has producers to answer to. If he's
rich and can afford to create, produce and market the record,
he can do anything he wants. If it makes money or not is then
up to him.

Not to mention the fact that neither the musician nor the
producers have any control over consumers' playback
equipment/environment.

Wouldn't *that* be a mess? A piece of music that when played
switched the tuner to another station or caused a different CD to
load? :)
--
Blinky
Killing all Google Groups posts.
http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html

[David Ross]

Greg Heilers wrote:

DaveC wrote:

Well, I think I understand the general feeling on this one; "not a good
idea". Just as well with me. I didn't want to go to the trouble of
changing my site anyways.

Thanks,

DaveC

There are several ways to do it using JavaScript....but the "HTML Nazis"
on here will slam you for even thinking about it.

The "not a good idea" feeling you get, should *not* deter you. After all --
YOU are the author. Too many people here go totally "anal" about "let's
think about all the poor users out there...".

A musician is allowed to record an album the way HE wants to present it.
A movie director is allowed to release a film as presented in the ways
HE wishes. A rhetorical question: Why should the web author be treated
any differently?

Actually, I play the recorded music the way I want, not the way the
musician wants. I control the volume and tone. If it's a CD, I
also control the sequence of tracks. It's my equipment, not the
musician's.

--

David E. Ross
<URL:http://www.rossde.com/>

I use Mozilla as my Web browser because I want a browser that
complies with Web standards. See <URL:http://www.mozilla.org/>.

[David Ross]

DaveC wrote:

Hi,

If I set up a link to take my viewers away from my site, how can I force
their browser to open a second copy? Idea, of course, is to bring viewers
back into my site when they close the 2nd copy.

See "The Scourge of New Windows" at
<URL:http://karlcore.com/articles/article.php?id=25>.

I talked to an acquaintance who owns a Web developing firm. He
told me that some owners of commercial Web sites insist that links
to external sites must launch new windows. They want their own
pages to remain on the user's desktop as long as possible.
Although he really does not like the practice, he also recognizes
from where his income comes and complies. This does not explain
the practice of launching new windows when selecting a link to
another page within the same Web site.

On the other hand, on my own Web site, I do launch a new browser
window when I think the user might want to switch back and forth
between the new page and the page from which it was selected (e.g.,
my list of useful Internet tools launches a new window once for its
many links to my glossary of Internet terms). Otherwise, I
consider the unnecessary proliferation of windows a damned
annoyance almost as bad as popups.

You can obtain a new window when you select the link by appropriate
use of your mouse buttons. Generally, this is something that you
(the user) should decide and not the Web developer, especially now
that browsers have tabbed browsing with multiple Web pages all in
the same browser window, each under a separate tab.

--

David E. Ross
<URL:http://www.rossde.com/>

I use Mozilla as my Web browser because I want a browser that
complies with Web standards. See <URL:http://www.mozilla.org/>.

[Craig Cockburn]

In message <If*****************@tornado.socal.rr.com>, DaveC
<dc******@nospam.san.rr.com> writes

Hi,

If I set up a link to take my viewers away from my site, how can I force
their browser to open a second copy? Idea, of course, is to bring viewers
back into my site when they close the 2nd copy.

You can't. Even with the target = blank etc syntax, the browser can
choose to override this behaviour. I have Firefox set up to open such
annoying requests in the same window rather than a new one.

--
Craig Cockburn ("coburn"). http://www.SiliconGlen.com/
Home to the first online guide to Scotland, founded 1994.
Scottish FAQ, weddings, website design, stop spam and more!

[Shawn K. Quinn]

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from DaveC <dc******@nospam.san.rr.com>
in message <If*****************@tornado.socal.rr.com>
posted at 2005-12-05T21:26

Hi, If I set up a link to take my viewers away from my site, how can I force
their browser to open a second copy?
You can't force *anything* as site author.

As site viewer, you would right click and select open in new window in
your browser.
Idea, of course, is to bring viewers back into my site when they close
the 2nd copy.

No, most people are used to going *back* to your site when they hit the
*back* button in their browser.

I specifically filter attempts to subvert the use of left click to open
in the same window and often just close the original window when any get
by. This is a huge inconvenience and I often wind up not returning to
the original site.

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[Shawn K. Quinn]

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from Greg Heilers <gN************@earthNOSPAMlink.net>
in message <85***************@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.ne t>
posted at 2005-12-05T23:31

DaveC wrote:

Well, I think I understand the general feeling on this one; "not a good
idea". Just as well with me. I didn't want to go to the trouble of
changing my site anyways.

There are several ways to do it using JavaScript....but the "HTML Nazis"
on here will slam you for even thinking about it.
And exactly 0% (none) of them work when Javascript is disabled.
The "not a good idea" feeling you get, should *not* deter you.
I take it you smoke at gas stations, too?
A musician is allowed to record an album the way HE wants to present it.
A movie director is allowed to release a film as presented in the ways
HE wishes. A rhetorical question: Why should the web author be treated
any differently?

Whether intended to be rhetorical or not, I think it needs answering:
because the Web is not radio, TV, or the movies.

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/ __| |/ / _ \ |*| Shawn K. Quinn
\__ \ ' < (_) | |*| sk*****@speakeasy.net
|___/_|\_\__\_\ |*| Houston, TX, USA

[Leif K-Brooks]

Greg Heilers wrote:

A musician is allowed to record an album the way HE wants to present it.
A movie director is allowed to release a film as presented in the ways
HE wishes.

But neither is allowed to create content which causes the viewing device
to break.

[Lachlan Hunt]

Greg Heilers wrote:

A musician is allowed to record an album the way HE wants to present it.

But when skipping to the next track on a CD, the user isn't forced to
plug in a new set of speakers in case they want to listen to the
previous track later. Why should a user ever be forced to open a new
window if they want to return to the previous page later?

--
Lachlan Hunt
http://lachy.id.au/
http://GetFirefox.com/ Rediscover the Web
http://GetThunderbird.com/ Reclaim your Inbox

[Kim André Akerø]

Darin McGrew wrote:

Greg Heilers <gN************@earthNOSPAMlink.net> wrote:

A musician is allowed to record an album the way HE wants to

present it.

Leonard Blaisdell <le*@greatbasin.com> wrote:

In nearly all cases, he has producers to answer to. If he's rich
and can afford to create, produce and market the record, he can do
anything he wants. If it makes money or not is then up to him.

Not to mention the fact that neither the musician nor the producers
have any control over consumers' playback equipment/environment.

Although they seem to try, with all the "copyright protection" (hah!)
technologies.

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[Andy Dingley]

On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 11:03:43 GMT, Lachlan Hunt <sp***********@gmail.com>
wrote:

But when skipping to the next track on a CD, the user isn't forced to
plug in a new set of speakers in case they want to listen to the
previous track later.

Not unless it's a Sony CD !